RE: Truly Crazy Horse Theft
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" If we did not have such a nice house (cozy radiant heat!!!) and such nice neighbors, we would move out of here. Kookville is right! When found the woman was wearing a spiked dog collar, and a bunch of chains. When asked what she was doing, she said she was "looking for my man." Putting two and two together, we think she is one of a group of youngish druggies that live up our relatively short dead end road. They were featured in an incident where another of our crazy neighbors deliberately ran over and killed their puppy. The guy who owned the puppy had actually gone and gotten a job and was doing OK, but he was killed in a car accident. Unfortunately, the puppy owner did not press charges because his dogs were unlicensed, and he did not want trouble. (The puppy killer once aimed his truck at me and my son, and threatened to run us down because we were standing on the road talking) Anyway...this woman was one of the group of druggies, who probably did not reform. Another friend thinks she may have been someone who was sentenced to community service at a therapeutic riding center several years ago. I am going to do everything in my power to see that this woman is charged with the biggest possible crime. Jim's son is looking thru the penal code tonight to see if there is some kind of enhanced penalty for rustling livestock in California. At minimum, I think opening the horse pen gate may qualify as burglary (I cannot remember all the elements of burglary) and it should be a felony because of the value of the horses. I am also going to stress that she could have gotten the horses killed and an innocent person(s) in any car that might have hit them. I am also considering going to the victim's rights part of the court and making a stink so as to stop the prosecutor from bargaining away or trivializing the crime. I may also try to sue her civilly, though I cannot figure out what the damages would be unless Jim and I start going to a shrink and claim intentional infliction of emotional distress. My purpose would be to try to create financial distress so that whatever person (I suspect a parent) owns the property would have to kick them out. In the meantime, we know she will be back home tonight and a constant danger to us. We are on the road, on our way to pick up our Pembroke Welsh Corgi puppy that Lisa Pedersen found for us. Jim's son went to Home Depot and bought 8 locks and chains and put them on every single gate in the place. We will probably electric fence the perimter, and possibly install cameras and motion sensor alarms. I am really, really angry! And Karen...thinks for the offer. We might consider borrowing a horse trailer from you in the spring so we can move all horses at once. We are spending at least six months in Cedarville next year. The riding is so wonderful there that it makes no sense not to. If we ever get a shelter organized for the horses, and a winter dwelling organized for us, we might move up there. Gail Forestville CA Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Anvil's Torbjorn and Trygg
This message is from: "Pat Holland" really gives me hope to hear from someone who has been through this and come out the other side. I hope we have as much success with Trygg as you have with Joe, he sounds like quite a character. Hopefully, I'll be boring the list with my updates for a long time too :-) Krisse, I have worked with 7 Anvil's Torbjorn progeny. Several years ago 4 came to me as 7 and 8 year olds with out even being halter broke. I was hesitant to take them as I had never started any horse that age from scratch. All four came out from their "un-education state", surprising well. For the most part all of the "Toby" sons and daughters have sense, and good minds. All 4 were started under saddle, by myself, I showed one at the Blue Earth show, under saddle with only 30 days in training and all four were sold to good homes where they continued as willing, trusting mounts. The other three were of various ages, two mares and a gelding. All had some training, one had some nasty habits and had three different homes before I got him in for training. He was an interesting schooling subject, he carried some of the descriptions you told about. It took some innovative thinking at times to get him to comply, but got the job done and he went on to be a youth's mount. Anvil's Torbjorn comes from some amazing bloodlines. bred by Orville and Anita Unrau whom are known for producing Fjords with good minds and work ethics and owned by Rich and Nancy Hotovy, respectable and honest breeder. Toby carried a Gold level 3 Medallion of Quality and several of his offspring earned their Medallions and continue to win, place at breed shows and in the open circuits as well as excellent, trusting riding (ring and trail), driving (pleasure and carriage), draft (competition and at home work), and exhibition (at Expo's, parades and Farm Progress Events). His sire, Rudaren had 51 progeny and his outstanding disposition fell in cleanly onto his foals. Toby had 67 progeny and I can only think of a few that did not do his sire proud. Toby died in 04' and it was a great loss to the breed. He left some outstanding sons and daughters to carry on his name, such as TUF Tana, owned by Mike and Susie Sadlon who use her a VERY safe and honest (and much loved) family and show horse. TUF Reba, owned by Rich and Nancy Hotovy - with a NFHR Gold Medallion of Quality is a do it all mare - riding, driving, single and multiple draft, TUF Julie with her NFHR Silver Medallion of Quality - is another outstanding offspring and TUF Voss owned by Patti Jo Walter, whom I personally rode, was an absolute wonder of a horse. Give your guy a chance, go slow and give him the benifit of the doubt for now - he has the pedigree and proof from his siblings to be able to do it for you. Good luck Pat Holland Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #251
This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" I am so sorry to hear about the crazy woman who disrupted your horses and your life, Gail. It brings up a really good point to be cautious of people who want to come and "look" at your horses or anyone checking out your property. We have had friends had the same thing happen - all the gates opened - and one of the people was caught and told the police that the horses should be kept in "cages". Crazy is a good word for them. More and more of these people are coming out of the woodwork claiming horses need to be free. Obviously, they know nothing about horses. Or traffic. Again, our thoughts are with you and the horses! Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm Bothell, WA (425) 402-6781 www.willowsedgefarm.com From: "plumg...@pon.net" Subject: Truly Crazy Horse Theft Apparently the thief, a woman, was found riding one of our horses two miles away, on what is normally a busy local highway (Highway 116, at Mom's Apple Pie in Sebastopol if you want to google map it). The loose horses were with her (five) and they took off, spooking the one she was riding and she was bucked off. She is now in the local hospital. We think it is a crazy woman who has twice now turned us in to animal control Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #251
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com In a message dated 12/14/08 11:19:43 AM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > The key to any horses hooves are that they get a balanced trim. > i agree. oz is barefoot right now, but was wearing shoes for some time because he had been trimmed to close and he was tender even just on the concrete in the barn aisle. joe yanish IS my farrier now and i am very pleased with what he's done with oz's feet. you can consider this an unsolicited testamonial :) laurie, and oz ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0019) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #251
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com In a message dated 12/14/08 11:19:43 AM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > Sounds like Joe had a > similar beginning to Trygg. I just looked at his papers and we are owner > number 7 for the poor guy > can i ask if you have a list of the previous owners? there was a woman on an AOL message board that first told me about fjords, and i think they had one with that name. her name was stephanie.. laurie, and oz, the frozen ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=em lcntaolcom0019) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #251
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com In a message dated 12/14/08 11:19:43 AM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > In a nutshell, a climate > where half of life cannot survive due to the cold. Isn't that fun. > > you just described today in minnesota. can you say WIND CHILL? i hear they closed north dakota due to blizzards. oz has outside board, but i might break down and bring him in my barn for the night. laurie, who today feels like the half that didn't survive ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&; ncid=emlcntaolcom0019) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Funny Maine "horse shoes"
This message is from: Karen McCarthy I have seen these types of shoes (or a variant thereof), in a central California museum. They were used in the boggy California delta farm country, (re-claimed boggy lowlands supported by levees) when ag was horse powered. :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > From: dwal...@tm.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Fw: Funny Maine "horse shoes" > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:10:26 -0600 > > This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" > > This is from Janet McNally in Hinckley MN.She is having troubles posting, so > I'm posting it for her. > > - Original Message - > From: Janet > > There is a pair of these in the Hinckley Fire Museum in Hinckley MN. > basically think 'horse sandals' a round piece of wood with a strap that goes > over the front of the hoof, and carved to accomodate horse shoes (it appears > the horse was shod with a steel shoe first, and then these slipped over top). > I don't think the idea is to make the horse stand wide on purpose, it is just > that the greater surface area helps support the horse on soft ground, just > like snow shoes do. I imagine they were easily lost in the bog. > > The county that Hinckley sits in is 2/3 swamp. Oxen were the draft animal of > choice here during the logging era because cattle are more willing to work on > soft swampy ground than are horses. > > Janet McNally > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Truly Crazy Horse Theft
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Holy crap Gail! I hope every horse is accounted for, and is safe + sound. I think it's time to move outta kookville and move on up to your other place. Please let us know if you need help w/ the exodus...you helped us w/ ours. hugs to you and Jim, K :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > From: plumg...@pon.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Truly Crazy Horse Theft > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:56:33 -0800 > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > I have to leave, so cannot go into this much...and do > not know all. At 6 AM, neighbors stopped to say we > had a horse out. I went out to catch the horse, and > three widely spaced horse pens on our property had > the gates open and the horses were gone. Only one > horse was still in a pen. She had a large bandage > on, and the thief might have left her on purpose...or > maybe just did not see her. > > We found our remaining six loose horses in our > neighbor's field, eating grass, behind two locked gates. > > Apparently the thief, a woman, was found riding one > of our horses two miles away, on what is normally a > busy local highway (Highway 116, at Mom's Apple Pie > in Sebastopol if you want to google map it). The > loose horses were with her (five) and they took off, > spooking the one she was riding and she was bucked > off. She is now in the local hospital. This > happened at 3:11 AM. The loose horse that stayed > home must just not have gone with the herd when she > left with them. To get them all to go with her, she > would have had to round them up as they are widely > spaced. ONly someone who had cased the joint could > have done it. AND, she did not open the most obvious > gate that is on the highway. She had to go up past > our house, and drive the horses around a gate to get > them out of there. > > Jim is off at the Firehouse to try to find out what > else happened as the firemen put our horses in the > neighbor's pen, thinking they were theirs. > > We think it is a crazy woman who has twice now turned > us in to animal control > > Gail > > --- Original Message --- > From: Vic Faeo[mailto:dogknows2...@yahoo.com] > Sent: 12/11/2008 4:27:19 PM > To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: Re: Senior Feed Question > > This message is from: Vic Faeo > > Hi, Jean. I may have missed this, if you guys have > already talked about this... I am wondering why you > like sunflower chips? Is it for the vegetable omega oils? > > Vic and ... a Fjord someday > > > > - Original Message > > > This message is from: Jean Ernest > > I feed my two senior Fjords Nutrena Senior Life, > which has no molasses. I > have been feeding Stella 2 lbs in the morning and 2 > lbs in the evening. She > is 31, and can still eat some hay after I had her > teeth done. She also get a > couple handfuls of sunflower chiips. Old Bjarne gets > 3 lbs mid day of the > Nutrena Senior Life, plus a couple handfuls of > Sunflower chips and his joint > suplement. He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior > Lilfe because it doesn't have > the molasses. The other two fjords stay fat on just > hay plus a couple > handfuls of sunflower chips along with an ounce of > ShowGlo vitamins. I don't > give the old guys the Sho-Glo because they get enough > vitamions in their > senior feed. All four are in fine shape this winter > with temps down to -25F > so far. I feed the more expensive sunflower CHIPS > (no hulls) because of the > poor teeth on the two old guys. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +14 today! > > > > Hello! I need to start my 29-year-old stallion, > Ivan, on Senior Feed by > > Purina. While he eats moistened hay cubes and > pelleted grain well, he is > > starting to have some problems eating hay. To > supplement that, I want to > feed the > > Senior Feed, but I am just not sure at what amount > to start him on. > > > > > _ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 > 2008 > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fw: Funny Maine "horse shoes"
This message is from: "Dave and Patti Walter" This is from Janet McNally in Hinckley MN.She is having troubles posting, so I'm posting it for her. - Original Message - From: Janet There is a pair of these in the Hinckley Fire Museum in Hinckley MN. basically think 'horse sandals' a round piece of wood with a strap that goes over the front of the hoof, and carved to accomodate horse shoes (it appears the horse was shod with a steel shoe first, and then these slipped over top). I don't think the idea is to make the horse stand wide on purpose, it is just that the greater surface area helps support the horse on soft ground, just like snow shoes do. I imagine they were easily lost in the bog. The county that Hinckley sits in is 2/3 swamp. Oxen were the draft animal of choice here during the logging era because cattle are more willing to work on soft swampy ground than are horses. Janet McNally Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
hot shoeing
This message is from: "Claudia" Hello, In response to: Another good thing to watch for is if your farrier does hot shoeing. Hot shoeing is when they use an anvil and forge to shape each shoe to the specific hoof. If they are just taking a cold shoe and nailing it on I would question the reason why. The closest example I have would be if you were a size nine and someone told you to go 5 weeks wearing a size seven. You are going to be painful. Proper hoof care is crucial to any horse, get references on any farrier you would like to try. I don't think it is a 'given' that hot shoeing is the only way shoeing can be done right. I have had several farriers over a period of thirty years, and most of them will use a forge and hot shoe when they think it's necessary, i.e. making heartbars, etc, and will simply use the anvil to shape the shoe to the hoof if it is suitable. I shoe some of my horses and not others. I have two barefoot Morgans, a barefoot Fjord, and a Trakehner with front shoes and pads right now. They have all had shoes at one time or another, and adjust easily to being bare when the shoes are removed. I have never had a farrier take a cold shoe and just 'nail a size 7 shoe on a size 9 hoof ' and expect the horse to adjust. They trim carefully, then shape the shoe to the hoof by using the anvil, and I've had no problems with having my farriers use that method in all these years. I just hate to see it suggested that if farriers aren't always hot shoeing, they aren't doing a good job. Claudia in WI Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: pulling shoes
This message is from: "Kristie Strange" Well I rode Izzy today and she was GREAT! Met up with some friends and we stayed mostly on dirt and in fields and she did just fine without her shoes. We even cantered some in the field. She bucked a little at first, but we went both directions and she got her leads first try. :) -Kristie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Truly Crazy Horse Theft
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" I have to leave, so cannot go into this much...and do not know all. At 6 AM, neighbors stopped to say we had a horse out. I went out to catch the horse, and three widely spaced horse pens on our property had the gates open and the horses were gone. Only one horse was still in a pen. She had a large bandage on, and the thief might have left her on purpose...or maybe just did not see her. We found our remaining six loose horses in our neighbor's field, eating grass, behind two locked gates. Apparently the thief, a woman, was found riding one of our horses two miles away, on what is normally a busy local highway (Highway 116, at Mom's Apple Pie in Sebastopol if you want to google map it). The loose horses were with her (five) and they took off, spooking the one she was riding and she was bucked off. She is now in the local hospital. This happened at 3:11 AM. The loose horse that stayed home must just not have gone with the herd when she left with them. To get them all to go with her, she would have had to round them up as they are widely spaced. ONly someone who had cased the joint could have done it. AND, she did not open the most obvious gate that is on the highway. She had to go up past our house, and drive the horses around a gate to get them out of there. Jim is off at the Firehouse to try to find out what else happened as the firemen put our horses in the neighbor's pen, thinking they were theirs. We think it is a crazy woman who has twice now turned us in to animal control Gail --- Original Message --- >From: Vic Faeo[mailto:dogknows2...@yahoo.com] Sent: 12/11/2008 4:27:19 PM To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: Senior Feed Question This message is from: Vic Faeo Hi, Jean. I may have missed this, if you guys have already talked about this... I am wondering why you like sunflower chips? Is it for the vegetable omega oils? Vic and ... a Fjord someday - Original Message This message is from: Jean Ernest I feed my two senior Fjords Nutrena Senior Life, which has no molasses. I have been feeding Stella 2 lbs in the morning and 2 lbs in the evening. She is 31, and can still eat some hay after I had her teeth done. She also get a couple handfuls of sunflower chiips. Old Bjarne gets 3 lbs mid day of the Nutrena Senior Life, plus a couple handfuls of Sunflower chips and his joint suplement. He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior Lilfe because it doesn't have the molasses. The other two fjords stay fat on just hay plus a couple handfuls of sunflower chips along with an ounce of ShowGlo vitamins. I don't give the old guys the Sho-Glo because they get enough vitamions in their senior feed. All four are in fine shape this winter with temps down to -25F so far. I feed the more expensive sunflower CHIPS (no hulls) because of the poor teeth on the two old guys. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +14 today! > Hello! I need to start my 29-year-old stallion, Ivan, on Senior Feed by > Purina. While he eats moistened hay cubes and pelleted grain well, he is > starting to have some problems eating hay. To supplement that, I want to feed the > Senior Feed, but I am just not sure at what amount to start him on. > _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: pulling shoes
This message is from: "Kristie Strange" Thanks everyone for the responses. It's been almost a week and Izzy has been frolicking around the field with no signs of tenderness at all. Granted, we've had rain and the fields are soft. I'm going to ride with some friends later this morning and we'll see how she does. This farm has mostly dirt trails and fields, but some gravel roads. I'm curious to see how sensitive, if at all, she'll be. I have a friend that has a Haflinger gelding and he's never worn shoes. She takes him over all kinds of terrain and even foxhunts him and he does great. I know it depends on the horse, so we'll try and see. :) -Kristie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
