RE: ground movement
This message is from: laura fisher Hi Heather- I tried the moving around the haunches- nose and shoulder and it worked! thank you so much! ...why have i not been able to get "trainers" to show me? I have wanted to do this for years, and even the temporary slug that Elise is - I can get on step eighter side! I like ground work because it is so peaceful and I understand more what I am supposed to do on top. > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:39:44 -0700 > From: cavy_l...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: ground movement > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Heather Baskey > > Hi Laura > > You can also test (with moving the front or hind end) whether your horse moves like a "ball" or a "chair". > > Henry will disengage his HQ readily (move like a ball, light to the touch) and used to be a "chair" on the front end - although now he is lighter. > > When you have a chair, your goal is to achieve lightness (but in order to achieve it, you must first offer it). > > Anyhow, I love the ball/chair analogy and if you really makes you think ... get out a ball and just slightly touch it - it MOVES. Then apply that same pressure (that you gave to the ball) to a chair. What happens? > > A couple of months ago I did a review on the Parelli Success Series, "Horseanalities" and reviewed more about Left/Right Brain and Introvert/Extroverts. Moving the Front/Hind end is just one of the pieces of the puzzle. There are actually horseanality charts (again on my blog somewhere) where you check off certain characteristics (as mild/medium/extreme) and you can find your horse's general personality. Henry is predominately a Left Brain Introvert, but also scores high in the Extrovert quadrant (not for the energy level, but for the mischievousness (this may change as he gets older - he's still a baby with a HUGE curiousity factor). He has VERY few Right Brain characteristics and the ones that he does have are getting closer to the center circle as he matures. > > Back to disengagement/one-rein stops. I am not saying it will work 100% of the time, or work when you need it most - but why I practice it every time I ride is that it is one skill I will always have in my back pocket (or an extra arrow in my quiver). I practice it so it becomes "instinctual", rather than having to think about it when/if the time comes that I need to use that card. If it doesn't work - I "tried" (and sure beats do nothing at all!). Its entire premise is based on the flight line, flight reaction. Each horse has their own "flight line" (i.e., how far they will run before they "disengage" and turn to face what has caused them to run (if they run "forever", it has no use for the horse - as they will be weak for their next saber-toothed butterfly!). A TB has a nice long flight run (say about a mile and a quarter ;-)) - an Arabian will run for days ;-) - a Fjord (most) have a shorter flight line (thankfully) - but it's the disengagement > that is key to all breeds. If the rider disengages the HQ, then you are triggering the natural behavioural response in the horse to turn and face what they thought was going to kill them (i.e., what they will "eventually" do naturally - you are just speeding up the process). > > I hope/hope/hope I will never be in the situation to have to test it for real, but it's just another arrow (whether it works or not at the time) that I can pull out of my quiver, in lieu of just sitting there for the ride! > > Heather ;-) > > > > > > It will be interesting to see if Elise is a left brain or right > brain thinker! > Laura :) > > > __ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Lola Lahr If you have good insurance and make a choice that results in your using it in the way Robin describes, you are driving up the cost of health insurance for the rest of us too. That also is unfair. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Lola Lahr wrote: > Amen Robin > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Robin Churchill wrote: > >> This message is from: Robin Churchill >> >> I guess if you have good insurance, including long-term care insurance >> then it is your business whether you wear a helmet or not. Unfortunately >> most people who get a serious head injury don't seem to have planned on >> needing medical care for the rest of their lives, so the taxpayers are >> paying for their care which I think is unfair. It is pretty clear that >> wearing a helmet decreases the risk of serious head injury but we all know >> that nothing protects us 100% of the time, particularly when we sustain some >> other type of injury that the helmet was not designed to prevent. I have >> only fallen 4 times and every time I was wearing a helmet. Once I saw stars >> and technically probably had a mild concussion and another time recently, I >> broke the helmet. Come see what somebody with a serious head injury looks >> like lying in the ICU and then decide if you want to wear your helmet or >> not--it's generally not a pretty sight. It bears little resemblance to what >> they show >> on TV. >> >> >> Robin in SW Florida where there is supposed to be a cold front this >> weekend to get the temps down into the 70s >> >> Important FjordHorse List Links: >> Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e >> FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw >> Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Lola Lahr Amen Robin On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Robin Churchill wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill > > I guess if you have good insurance, including long-term care insurance then > it is your business whether you wear a helmet or not. Unfortunately most > people who get a serious head injury don't seem to have planned on needing > medical care for the rest of their lives, so the taxpayers are paying for > their care which I think is unfair. It is pretty clear that wearing a helmet > decreases the risk of serious head injury but we all know that nothing > protects us 100% of the time, particularly when we sustain some other type > of injury that the helmet was not designed to prevent. I have only fallen 4 > times and every time I was wearing a helmet. Once I saw stars and > technically probably had a mild concussion and another time recently, I > broke the helmet. Come see what somebody with a serious head injury looks > like lying in the ICU and then decide if you want to wear your helmet or > not--it's generally not a pretty sight. It bears little resemblance to what > they show > on TV. > > > Robin in SW Florida where there is supposed to be a cold front this weekend > to get the temps down into the 70s > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Robin Churchill I guess if you have good insurance, including long-term care insurance then it is your business whether you wear a helmet or not. Unfortunately most people who get a serious head injury don't seem to have planned on needing medical care for the rest of their lives, so the taxpayers are paying for their care which I think is unfair. It is pretty clear that wearing a helmet decreases the risk of serious head injury but we all know that nothing protects us 100% of the time, particularly when we sustain some other type of injury that the helmet was not designed to prevent. I have only fallen 4 times and every time I was wearing a helmet. Once I saw stars and technically probably had a mild concussion and another time recently, I broke the helmet. Come see what somebody with a serious head injury looks like lying in the ICU and then decide if you want to wear your helmet or not--it's generally not a pretty sight. It bears little resemblance to what they show on TV. Robin in SW Florida where there is supposed to be a cold front this weekend to get the temps down into the 70s Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Re:Helmets
This message is from: "jerry friz" AMEN, Gail Jerry -- If you are not going to wear a helmet, the most ethical way to do it is in complete privacy. And without loved ones. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re:Helmets
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" It really is worth it to try different helmets. I now have a Tipperary (not sure what kind). I had a Troxel before. I thought it fit, but it gave me nasty headaches. Not that you would really notice at first, but when you take it off, there is a huge relief. I find I forget I have the Tipperary on. The thing about those who do not wear helmets is that they are often people I love that I do not want to spend the rest of my life caring for as drooling idiots. I did that for my mother, but never, ever want to do that again! There is unavoidable resentment to caring for an ill person. Especially one that lives a long time in a brain damaged condition. Imagine having to care for that individual (with NO life of your own, and NO hope of improvement EVER) if they had been riding without a helmet after being told the dangers? The other kind of people who do not wear helmets are ones that people I love (including children) are watching, and learning by example from. If you are not going to wear a helmet, the most ethical way to do it is in complete privacy. And without loved ones. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re:Helmets
This message is from: Nancy Blauers Hi Everyone, I just purchased a Tipperary Sportage and it feels very comfortable to wear... I'll be riding this weekend, using it for the first timeI have a troxel too but it never quite felt right The reason: my nephew is studying traumatic brain injuries and rehabilitationwe had quite a fascinating discussion...he really made me see the light! My Fjord is a great little guy,very steady on the trails...but still, you never know what surprises are out on the trailand I really like my brain the way it is. Safe and Happy Trails, Nancy Blauers Geneva,Fl (Where it's still hot HOT HOT! but maybe cooling off for Saturday!) _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Helmets
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" Hi all, I use a Troxel helmet anytime I'm riding or driving.. Before I used a helmet I had a skull fracture and a really bad concussion that required hospitalization. There is a video that I saw years ago called "Every Ride, Every Time", if that doesn't convince you to wear a helmet nothing will. Not preaching, just sharing information. Sherrie Sunwood Fjords Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets
This message is from: Lola Lahr The manufacturers, as well as outside experts, recommend replacing helmets within 5 years of manufacture. The materials naturally break down and after 5 years may not hold up in an accident. Helmets should also be replaced after every incident (any hard blow to the helmet) for the same reason. It may look like it's ok, but it's structural integrity could be compromised and is then unsafe or won't protect you in an accident. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Helmets
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Not trying to say the Tippperary is the 'only' way to go helmet-wise, but they do offer a couple of foam shims which velcro in. (( My head must be "perfect" as I didn't require them ;~)) Kmac... :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets
This message is from: "jerry friz" Hi List, What I have found in helmets--- Each manufacture, makes different shapes, uses different materials. So, what might fit me would not fit you. I always buy mine in a shop where I can try several on. I find with a lot of use they only last a couple years, so I am always looking for a new one. When I bought my ski helmet I had to go to 4 or 5 stores to find one that fit correctly. You will know when you find the right size. Same when buying western boots, or better yet English riding boots. Rule number 1. NEVER mail order !!! to save a nickel, only to pitch the helmet in the back of the tack room. Same thing applies to a protective vest, mine fits perfect, only after trying several on. Cheers, Jerry Friz, Anderson,Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Best helmet?
This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" What is THE most comfy helmet... I personally can't answer that. What's comfortable for me may well be horrible for you (or whoever). The helmet has to fit the shape of the person's head. If it doesn't, it will slop around, itch and irritate, cause headaches, or all of the above, regardless of how well it fits everybody else and their dog. There are at least two basic helmet shapes -- round and oval -- but just knowing that I have an oval head and a particular helmet is shaped for oval heads still doesn't ensure it will be comfortable. Only sure way is to just try 'em on until you find the best fit for your particular head. I would not want someone to buy me Brand XXX helmet as a surprise present. Surprise it may be, but very likely not in a good way. DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Helmets FOR KIDS
This message is from: Deb Logan I was at a ride recently, & saw a 4 year old girl riding, with NO HELMET...it really bothered me, I wanted to say something, but it would not have been nice, or effective - any ideas as to how to at least pitch a few lines to protect the young & innocent?? Helmet Hair Deb in NW WA > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:00:29 -0700 > From: sarahmagdalencla...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Helmets > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Sarah Clarke > > Just adding my voice to the pro-helmet crowd. > > It is a miniscule > > investment compared to the cost of brain injury/damage, or worse yet, > death. > AGREED, AND ON MY HEALTH PLAN A TRIP TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM COSTS $75.00, $100 > IF THEY ADMIT. MORE THAN A HELMET (EXCEPT A CHARLES OWEN) EVEN IF YOU DON'T > GET BRAIN DAMAGE. > > > Generally, those who resist helmets wearing > DON'T RIDE MY HORSES OR RIDE ON MY PROPERTY! > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets
This message is from: Sarah Clarke Just adding my voice to the pro-helmet crowd. It is a miniscule > investment compared to the cost of brain injury/damage, or worse yet, death. AGREED, AND ON MY HEALTH PLAN A TRIP TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM COSTS $75.00, $100 IF THEY ADMIT. MORE THAN A HELMET (EXCEPT A CHARLES OWEN) EVEN IF YOU DON'T GET BRAIN DAMAGE. > Generally, those who resist helmets wearing DON'T RIDE MY HORSES OR RIDE ON MY PROPERTY! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Helmets
This message is from: Lola Lahr My Tipperary Sportage literally saved my noggin (as KMac puts it ;-) a > couple of years ago. I came out of it with a few minutes if unconsciousness, > a bruise on my head, an incredible rayed crack pattern on the outside shell, > and a horrifying set of cracks in the styrofoam inside the helmet. I keep > it to remind myself, and anyone who doubts the value of wearing helmets,of > what my head would have looked like without that Tipperary on my head. And > my wonderful Fjord horse and I were quietly standing still on the side of > the trail when it all started to happen. The shape of the Troxels (more of an oval shape)doesn't fit my round head, > but they have some rally cool colrs that are so fun! It is a miniscule > investment compared to the cost of brain injury/damage, or worse yet, death. > Generally, those who resist helmets wearing helmets will tell a story of > someone they know whose life, and/or some serious neck injury was spared > because they weren't wearing one. I say take the chance and wear one!!! Your > chances of being spared the worst are a LOT less with a *helmet in place*to > mitigate the impact of your fragile skull hitting the hard ground, or > some other surface more stubborn than your skull. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Best helmet?
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Most comfortable? IMO, the Tipperary 'Sportage' (?) model. Most comfy helmet I have ever worn...silly me, I remember Dagrun telling me how wonderful her's was about 7 years ago. I finally bought one this spring, $55 at the NW Horse Expo. LOVE it. I went on an overnite trail ride up on Mt Hood a few weeks ago with Shawna Smith and Lola Lahr - all of us had Tipperaries on our noggins Kmac :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > From: plumg...@pon.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Best helmet? > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:02:46 -0700 > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > What is THE most comfy helmet (for those resistant > types). > Cost being no object, given the alternative of not > wearing one. > > Gail > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Helmets
This message is from: win...@aol.com As far as comfortable helmets: Tipperary: well vented for schooling/ summer/trail; extends down the back of the head for good protection. Show: Charles Owen gr8 All the eventers I know wear the GPA Speed Air; At over 500 dollars its the priciest; but since they routinely gallop and jump; certainly cheaper than a new brain! the Tipperary sportage is about 60 dollars and the Charles Owen over 200. All of them are ASTM/SEI certified which is at least some assurance that it provides cushioning for the brain on impact. Troxel also makes inexpensive helmets; and the Sierra trail model is the one my husband likes. Just my 2 cents Susan; owned by Alf, Valdemar, Billy & Bojangles[ all of whom don't care what we wear as long as we have carrots] Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmet AMEN
This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" Hi everyone. A couple years back I wrote an article that was printed in the The Herald.The accident happened on a Thursday, on Saturday I went into Norco and bought a helmet for myself. For Christmas that same year I asked my folks for another helmet for Christmas. Anyone who rides our Fjords MUST wear a helmet. I had to suck up my pride and ego to wear that dang helmet. I wear it every ride. It is an individual choice and I do not "rag" on people for not wearing a helmet. I do feel that anyone who would have seen my beautiful friend Rhonda laying on the ground unconscious with blood coming out of her nose, well, they may think about a helmet. It woke me up. Rhonda fractured her skull in two places and had to have neck surgery this year due to the fall. She normally rides in a helmet, this one day she forgot it. I hang my helmet around my reins so I don't forget it. The ride we went on this past Sat. I'd say half if not more of the riders had helmets on. We did have one rider go down, flat on his back and when he got up, the first thing he said was, " I sure am glad I had a helmet on." Riding behind him I could clearly see the mud on his helmet where he hit. That would of been his head. This "cowgirl" wears a helmet. Jo Wilgus Gavilan Hills, CA helmet approved Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: ground movement
This message is from: Heather Baskey Hi Laura You can also test (with moving the front or hind end) whether your horse moves like a "ball" or a "chair". Henry will disengage his HQ readily (move like a ball, light to the touch) and used to be a "chair" on the front end - although now he is lighter. When you have a chair, your goal is to achieve lightness (but in order to achieve it, you must first offer it). Anyhow, I love the ball/chair analogy and if you really makes you think ... get out a ball and just slightly touch it - it MOVES. Then apply that same pressure (that you gave to the ball) to a chair. What happens? A couple of months ago I did a review on the Parelli Success Series, "Horseanalities" and reviewed more about Left/Right Brain and Introvert/Extroverts. Moving the Front/Hind end is just one of the pieces of the puzzle. There are actually horseanality charts (again on my blog somewhere) where you check off certain characteristics (as mild/medium/extreme) and you can find your horse's general personality. Henry is predominately a Left Brain Introvert, but also scores high in the Extrovert quadrant (not for the energy level, but for the mischievousness (this may change as he gets older - he's still a baby with a HUGE curiousity factor). He has VERY few Right Brain characteristics and the ones that he does have are getting closer to the center circle as he matures. Back to disengagement/one-rein stops. I am not saying it will work 100% of the time, or work when you need it most - but why I practice it every time I ride is that it is one skill I will always have in my back pocket (or an extra arrow in my quiver). I practice it so it becomes "instinctual", rather than having to think about it when/if the time comes that I need to use that card. If it doesn't work - I "tried" (and sure beats do nothing at all!). Its entire premise is based on the flight line, flight reaction. Each horse has their own "flight line" (i.e., how far they will run before they "disengage" and turn to face what has caused them to run (if they run "forever", it has no use for the horse - as they will be weak for their next saber-toothed butterfly!). A TB has a nice long flight run (say about a mile and a quarter ;-)) - an Arabian will run for days ;-) - a Fjord (most) have a shorter flight line (thankfully) - but it's the disengagement that is key to all breeds. If the rider disengages the HQ, then you are triggering the natural behavioural response in the horse to turn and face what they thought was going to kill them (i.e., what they will "eventually" do naturally - you are just speeding up the process). I hope/hope/hope I will never be in the situation to have to test it for real, but it's just another arrow (whether it works or not at the time) that I can pull out of my quiver, in lieu of just sitting there for the ride! Heather ;-) It will be interesting to see if Elise is a left brain or right brain thinker! Laura :) __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
