lunging
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I use to like John Lyons some years ago, many years ago. I'm not so much a fan anymore. I know I'll get flack but I'm not a fan of Parelli nor even of the guy from down under. I don't like the concept of throwing ropes at horses or playing games with them from the ground. I watch my horse when it is moving around me in a circle as I'm not in there just to have my horse run around me...I want to see how he or she is moving. I like to do lots of transitions within the gaits and transitions from gait to gait. I change it around, not using the same spot. I've never understood having them run so much, to the point that they are practically gasping for air. I've seen Clinton Anderson do this alot. If its the horses job to keep running until you tell him otherwise, is he doing it out of fear? I don't know. I've just seen alot of it and I don't care for the look in the horses eyes. I prefer soft voice, soft eyes... My opinion. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: lunging
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com The whole point in the Circling Game (Parelli) is for this to NOT happen. In the Circling Game you are in neutral watching for Rhythm Relaxation (key two points) and it is much more than a circle. It can be a circle, a Figure 8 (same send/draw), or travelling circles, or circles with obstacles. There are many variations. I will send Henry off in a Circle and in the process throw a Trailer in his path - and whoosh - there's a nice trailer load ;-) I play the Circling Game at Liberty now. IF my horse was so stressed, he could very easily leave (huge arena to escape in). If you have the rapport with your horse, he will stick with you. My job is to make the game interesting enough for him to want to stay. Especially, with the type of horseanality my Henry is - I have to be riveting enough as a Leader so he wants to be with me (versus making him be with me). In summary - I want Henry to anticipate what I am going to ask next in the Circling Game, versus him running around in Circles, assuming this is the behaviour that I want. I have more problems with people sending/chasing their horses around in circles to wear them out prior to riding them. Now, that's stress. Heather --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net wrote: If its the horses job to keep running until you tell him otherwise, is he doing it out of fear? I don't know. I've just seen alot of it and I don't care for the look in the horses eyes. I prefer soft voice, soft eyes... My opinion. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2010 #35
This message is from: Claudia cava...@bloomer.net Re: Reins dragging on ground Perhaps a horse stepping on the lead rope tied to his halter is not usually an emergency--it seems to happen fairly often. But in my opinion, dragging reins are another thing. A broken jaw can easily be the result of such a situation. A neophyte horse owner I know tied her horse by the reins to go into the house briefly. Horse jerked back and broke her jaw, and had to be put down. Unlike people, horses do not do well with their jaws wired together for 6-8 weeks. If you add speed to the equation, such as a horse running in a round pen or elsewhere, I imagine the same scenario---broken jaw, poor horse. Another thing I don't think people pause to consider is injuries that we can't see. A horse who is left dragging his lead rope may be fine if he steps on it as he walks.If the same horse takes off across the yard at a trot or a gallop and steps on the lead rope, he can either stumble and somersault, which could result in deadly injuriesor he could just jerk himself really hard, but release the lead and keep running. Therefore we think, Good, he isn't hurt. Until a day or two later, when the horse is hard to bend in one direction or the other, refuses to become round, loses the suppleness and flexibility in his neck and throat, won't reach into the bridle, and just isn't the same nice, soft horse we rode a day or two earlier. How many people would connect that loss of flexibility and connection to the hard jerk on his lead rope two days earlier? The horse could have cervical vertabrae out of alignment, pulled ligaments or strained muscles in his neck from this hard jerk, all of which cause severe pain. I think few people who put a lot of care and training into producing a nice performance horse would care to risk all that work, not to mention the horse's welfare, with such cavalier horsemanship. Claudia in Wisconsin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
speaking of lunging and leading....
This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Remember not to use a chain loop at the end near the horse however. A neighbor of mine had taken the chain and doubled it back to the halter. The horse had its head down grazing, stepped in the loop, and broke her leg. Valerie Columbia, CT Home Improvement Projects Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=54RW0Z8_8HZCk8uOrPGiMwAAJ1DoZB7TN1OB7dhFT6MgUtS2AAYAAADNAAAShAA= Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Bird problem
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com try screens..I have pigeons and that is what I plan to do. 70 birds is too many :) I have about 15 pigeons. Linda in WI From: mbick...@mbpc.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Bird problem Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:23:13 -0500 This message is from: Michael Bickman mbick...@mbpc.com I hope a reader has a solution to what has become a problem birds in our barn. They usually start arriving around the middle to end of March. A few years ago we had a couple of pairs of barn swallows nest in the barn. Cute birds and big fly eaters. Each year they came back, along with their offspring, and by last year we had over 70 of them at the peak. This many made messes on the barn floor, plus on some heads. Last year we tried a sonic device, but that didn't work. Any suggestions on this? Thanks. Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Bird problem
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com I know it is a federal crime to disturb most species of migratory birds, but the build-up of swallow feces in the barn would become not only gross but really unhealthy. So if you are careful and consistent at discouraging interrupting their nesting as it is in the process, i.e the swallows are carrying mud material to build nests, either by artificial predator dummies, or by hosing down the incomplete nests (our method of choice) they eventually give up and build elsewhere nearby - in our case outside the barn primarily on the N side, and some on the S eaves, which is just fine w/ us. I love seeing the 'Air Force' line up on the telephone wire and swoop down over our S irrigation pond and above our hay fields for their dinner. We rarely have mosquitos, and the no-see-ums our livestock suffered in Nevada are a problem of the past. Karen in Oregon From: mbick...@mbpc.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Bird problem Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:23:13 -0500 This message is from: Michael Bickman mbick...@mbpc.com I hope a reader has a solution to what has become a problem birds in our barn. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: speaking of lunging and leading....
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Most definitely common-sense should prevail at all times. Dragging reins, chains on lines would not be my cup of tea. My horse stepping on his lead line, is not a concern. When/if he does, he either (a) moves off it, or (b) if it continues to drag with him, he will automatically stop and look at me - demanding that I fix it. We then play backwards/sideways/forwards/backwards, etc., until the rope is off his leg. I would rather have my horse calm when he steps on his rope, such that it is never an issue. A friend of mine always panics when her horse steps on the rope and thus, her horse panics as well. Heather --- On Mon, 3/8/10, brass-ring-f...@juno.com brass-ring-f...@juno.com wrote: From: brass-ring-f...@juno.com brass-ring-f...@juno.com Subject: speaking of lunging and leading To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Received: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:32 AM This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Remember not to use a chain loop at the end near the horse however. A neighbor of mine had taken the chain and doubled it back to the halter. The horse had its head down grazing, stepped in the loop, and broke her leg. Valerie Columbia, CT Home Improvement Projects Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=54RW0Z8_8HZCk8uOrPGiMwAAJ1DoZB7 TN1OB7dhFT6MgUtS2AAYAAADNAAAShAA= Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Bird problem
This message is from: Jo Wilgus rjrfj...@verizon.net get a couple barn cats. i would love some cats myself but with the coyotes, bobcats etc. i just can't bring myself to get some. jo wilgus Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Barn birds, lunging, games.
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com Hi List. For barn bird problems ( its $%^*...@^ starlings here, we love the swallows and bats ) there are a few things that you could do. They sell these little spike strips at any large Hardware store that you put on their perching places. They use them at Sea World ( * big ones ) also to help keep the large evil shore birds from stealing everyones lunch at the outdoor resturants. When the birds cant perch, they move along. The other thing to try, is to put long hanging sparkle things in the doorways. I have heard that old, used CD's work great. Hang them at different heights. Any shop that sells wind socks, chimes, kites will have a bunch of fun shiny flappy stuff. I love to train our horses to walk in and out of the barn with the socks running and blowing over them.great tool to keep them thinking and de- spook training for those stray plastic bags that jump up and attack us while out and about. Plastic owls did not work. We got 2 owls. Ok, now I have a question. Heather, if you want to try and explane it to me please give it a try. Or anyone who understands this concept. You said, stepping on a lead line is not a concern I agree. Get that. Its then mentioned that if the line continues to drag, he will automatically stop and look, demanding that I fix it. Got it. No problem with that. When our horses look to us to fix stuffit is a good thing. I do not want them thinking for themselves so much, as in our driving horses. Thinkers do not make good driving horses. I want them to look to US, for trust and that if we say GO through scary water hazzards, over man-hole covers, or past monsters like running cows, clowns with balloons or loose pigs ( been there OMG ) they do not question, only that if we say it, it will be so, and that we will keep them safe. I do not understand the game of backwards / sideways / forwards / backwards, as far as helping much of anything. I must say that someone just this week sent me a video of what appears to be this game. It was hard for me to watch all 4 + min. of it, I must say. The saint of a horse did not understandand the human spent all 4+ min. basically yanking his face off with a lead rope to get that space. Over and over. BAM. BAM. BAM, backing the horse, pulling it sideways. If the horse looked to or approched the human with his head, BAM. The horse kept looking to the human to fix it but clearly did not know what the human was looking for. The horse did not kill the human and I was surprised. There were plenty of times watching this abuse, that I was sure that a well placed cow kick was about to occur. If it had been a few of mine, esp. with stallions, the human would be dead. Someone is going to get hurt.so Im asking to please explane this game Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Barn birds, lunging, games.
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com One does not have to slam the horse around to play the game that is being talked about. If you watch heather's videos, that is clearly not what she has done. The do learn how to yield their hindquarters easily, and to step under themselves if the rope handling is done correctly. Gail Someone is going to get hurt.so Im asking to please explane this game Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
wrong person
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com oh no no no Gail ! Not Heather ! I have not watched Heathers videos. This was a video sent to me from a clinic somewhere. The person handleing the horse spent 4+ min. smacking a horse around, often in the face, and with a buckle type of lead rope hitting his chin. Head up, tense, looking for information. No release, no reward, no timing. Abuse. Yo yo game. I'll forward it to you. Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Barn birds, lunging, games.
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Step one step back. Off the rope? nope ... rope still there. OK - step up two steps and then maybe a sidepass? ... oh look! rope is now free. If rope is not freed after attempts such as this, I will untangle - but ... I will try yielding Henry in whatever direction I think it is possible to untangle the rope. It is done slowly with subtle communication and I ensure it is VERY friendly. My rapport with the boy is EVERYthing. I am the biggest marshmallow on the planet and asking a horse to yield in any direction should be at the slightest and most subtle of suggestion. I will only increase my energy, if I am being ignored (and even at that, it certainly is not like the example of the extreme that was mentioned). Heather --- On Mon, 3/8/10, pedfjo...@aol.com pedfjo...@aol.com wrote: Ok, now I have a question. Heather, if you want to try and explane it to me please give it a try. I agree. Get that. Its then mentioned that if the line continues to drag, he will automatically stop and look, demanding that I fix it. I do not understand the game of backwards / sideways / forwards / backwards, as far as helping much of anything. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: speaking of lunging and leading....
This message is from: Carol Makosky cmako...@sirentel.net The only upset my Heidi has when stopped by a foot on her rope is that she can't reach more yummy grass. Now to add more fuel to the fire and another topic. Heidi is my only horse and has been for the last 12 years. She talks to us all the time even when I had another horse for a year. She does have 3 pigs to live with in the summer, but that is it. She lives pretty much in the front yard so to say and watches us all the time when we are in the house. She is also a great watch dog and alerts us to whoever is coming in the drive. Heather Baskey wrote: This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Most definitely common-sense should prevail at all times. Dragging reins, chains on lines would not be my cup of tea. My horse stepping on his lead line, is not a concern. When/if he does, he either (a) moves off it, or (b) if it continues to drag with him, he will automatically stop and look at me - demanding that I fix it. We then play backwards/sideways/forwards/backwards, etc., until the rope is off his leg. I would rather have my horse calm when he steps on his rope, such that it is never an issue. A friend of mine always panics when her horse steps on the rope and thus, her horse panics as well. Heather --- On Mon, 3/8/10, brass-ring-f...@juno.com brass-ring-f...@juno.com wrote: From: brass-ring-f...@juno.com brass-ring-f...@juno.com Subject: speaking of lunging and leading To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Received: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:32 AM This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Remember not to use a chain loop at the end near the horse however. A neighbor of mine had taken the chain and doubled it back to the halter. The horse had its head down grazing, stepped in the loop, and broke her leg. Valerie Columbia, CT Home Improvement Projects Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=54RW0Z8_8HZCk8uOrPGiMwAAJ1DoZB7 TN1OB7dhFT6MgUtS2AAYAAADNAAAShAA= Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f -- God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses. R.B. Cunningham Graham Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Home of Heidi, The Wonder Pony Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: speaking of lunging and leading....
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Indeed! LOL!!! Henry gets more frustrated that he cannot reach the next blade of grass, versus ac - stepped on my rope! Heather --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Carol Makosky cmako...@sirentel.net wrote: This message is from: Carol Makosky cmako...@sirentel.net The only upset my Heidi has when stopped by a foot on her rope is that she can't reach more yummy grass. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Bird problem
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Uh, my 2 barn cats are ultra athletic, but unless I invest in some high dollar cat trapeze training (ain't gonna happen), the swallows will keep smiling and crapping on the cats, who determined as they are, have not quite figured out how to score birdies and hang onto a 2x6 35' above the barn floor ;~)) The cats have scared the $#!@ outta me a few times just daintily walking across the trusses, sans birdies. Same swallows LOVE to dive bomb thae cats in the barnyard. The swallows really delight in this, even going for the lone dog now and then. So far, I have been left alone. Karen in frigid but sunny central Oregon; no riding today, just garden cleanup ...found some 3-4 red romaine and red sails curly lettuce growing in amongst the usual weedy suspects - i'm busy transplanting as fast as I can! Subject: Re: Bird problem Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:05:20 -0800 This message is from: Jo Wilgus rjrfj...@verizon.net get a couple barn cats. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
games
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com Thank-you Heather for the explanation. I understand the concept of give and release. Looking for a positive, then reward. Energy increasing in teeeny bits till there is the slightest thought / movement of give, then release. TIMING. Not punishment. The video I watched was sort of like the Yo Yo game on crack. The human started off with extreme requests, then intensified it. The horse had clearly not been taught to get out of humans faces, out of their space. It seemed to look to the human for relief, but got punished when it came looking. This is dangerous, however no less dangerous than what the human was asking for by the endless BAM BAM BAM in the face, even hitting the horses face and that big lead rope snap hitting the horses chin over and over. Clearly, the horse had learned some bad habits, but of course they were not helped by the human losing their cool and punishing without reward. 10 sec's, ok. 30 sec's.not ok. 1 min. shame on them, abuse. 4+ min ? Even old packer lesson horses normally wouldnt stand for unexplaned and relentless abuse like that. They would take the human to the ground. Lisa Horses dont need to be trained. They need good leadership and clear communication. As the leader in your herd of two, its your job to keep your horse safe and without worryto prepare him for what you plan to do Linda Parelli Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Horses and game playing
This message is from: morrisshado...@aol.com Yes we like to play games as well Lordalen is quite fond of Monopoly (likes to try and eat the get out of jail free card) , Life (likes to spin the wheel) , Yatzee (he loves those dice and of course the cup). He likes to cheat at Chess. Every time right when I am about to put him in checkmate he flips the board. Of course he is always very polite as he pick up the pieces.In the summer we spend time with the waters paints. He just loves that! And we can't forget Christmas where we play who can dump out the stocking the fastest! He always wins.He likes to use the Christmas tree as a distraction and a scratching post! Bonnie It is cold and it snowed! Nothing stayed thankfully. . Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Bird problem
This message is from: Mary Ofjord ma...@boreal.org As Carol Rivoire said to me when I stated this same problem several years ago.be glad you have them, they eat a lot of bugs We ended up putting up poop catchers - pieces of plywood under the places where the nest droppings got into the feeders. We take down some of the nests each fall, especially if they are built on the light fixtures. Otherwise, the barn swallows raise at least three broods a year here in northern Minnesota. With all the mosquitos we have, along with the black flies and midges, the barn swallows are welcome visitors. Mary Ofjord North Coats Fjords. This message is from: Michael Bickman mbick...@mbpc.com I hope a reader has a solution to what has become a problem birds in our barn. They usually start arriving around the middle to end of March. A few years ago we had a couple of pairs of barn swallows nest in the barn. Cute birds and big fly eaters. Each year they came back, along with their offspring, and by last year we had over 70 of them at the peak. This many made messes on the barn floor, plus on some heads. Last year we tried a sonic device, but that didn't work. Any suggestions on this? Thanks. Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4926 (20100308) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4926 (20100308) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2010 #35
This message is from: igs4me tds.net igs...@tds.net Re lunging, someone wrote: So what is the big deal if a horse learns that stepping on the thing attached to his head means stop or move it's foot off. I don't think it is a problem if the horse is calm and relaxed. It becomes a problem if something spooks the horse. That happened here in WI last summer - someone I know was walking her gelding with a bridle and lead rope down a lane that they had been down many times before and something scared him. They think it was a coyote in the bushes. Anyway, he freaked and bolted, pulling the lead rope out of her hand. As he tore back to the barn, he stepped on the lead rope and broke his neck. He was dead before he hit the ground. It was really horrifying. THAT is why people are so careful about lead ropes. Julie in Madison Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Driving Lessons
This message is from: sarah gibson equ...@gmail.com Hi there, I have a coming two year old fjord and may be interested in driving him in the future. What I would really like to do is take some driving lessons to see if it would be something I would enjoy. Because I am new to the breed I don't know very many fjord people and so I am not sure where to look for lessons. Does any one know where I could take some driving lessons, preferably from a fjord person, near Saint Ignatius, MT. I am willing to drive up to an hour for lessons. Thanks, Sarah Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
