FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com In a message dated 3/9/2010 10:33:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > I must say that someone just this week sent me a video of what appears to > be this game. It was hard for me to watch all 4 + min. of it, I must say. > The > saint of a horse did not understandand the human spent all 4+ min. > basically yanking his face off with a lead rope to get that space. Over > and > over. BAM. BAM. BAM, backing the horse, pulling it sideways. If the horse > looked > to or approched the human with his head, BAM. The horse kept looking to > the > human to " fix it " but clearly did not know what the human was looking > for. > * The tape in question has made the rounds of alot of Internet sites this week I guess. Today, it made the front page of the FUGLY Horse Of The Day. Not a good place to be, just saying. There are 2 pages of comments tonight already, almost 300 of them, and its good to know that all except for 2 brave people trying to make excuses or justify this mess, there are alot more gonna get thrown from the peanut gallery before this is quiet. Heads up, hide the kiddies and Nuns. FUGLY is not a place for those who dont want to read some bad lauguage. Esp. when the natives are riled up. They are as mad as me watching this poor display of " NH " Horsemanship. Tom Dorance is rolling over. Nuff said. Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Interesting horse camping options in California
This message is from: Gail Russell Hi all, I am trying to talk Jim into taking a road trip with me and two horses. I need to go to Santa Barbara on business, so figure I might as well take Jim and two horses on a business trip. I think there are nice places to ride on the beach at Pismo Beach. Correct? I think there must be somewhere we could horse camp in the mountains behind Santa Barbara. I might even be able to persuade Jim to go on to LA and to Phoenixthough that may be a stretch. We definitely cannot go taking a horse trailer to Hermosa Beach (where I do have some other business), but maybe I can find somewhere interesting to stop and then rent a car to go to Hermosa (JIm and I can barely survive LA driving, let alone taking a long box dually into the "beach cities" winding roads and traffic. ) Anyway...if someone has favorite places to stay and horse camp/bed and breakfast between Santa Rosa CA and Santa Barbara...and possibly even outside LAI might be able to talk him into going. We have the long box dually with a two horse behind, and a good sized camper on top. All set up to go. I just have to convince Jim to go. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Parelli stuff
This message is from: "Debby" "I only get that much love when I carry a bucket of feed or when they are in the mood to be amused ... the respect, only when I have a whip in my hand. " Meredith. This last part that you included about yourself. Why do you have horses? It doesn't sound as if you like your horses. I'm sad for you, if this is how you feel about your horses. But mostly I'm sad for your horses. I hope that you can get with some of your friends and do something positive with your horses to make them happy horses and to make you feel better about having them. Please do put the whip down. I don't believe the whip was meant as a means to "threaten", but an extension of ones leg and an extension of ones arm. I'm afraid the term "whip" is missunderstood. I never carry a bucket of grain, nor hand treats, but I have lots of hugs and rubs to give and that can do wonders for the ponys and for yourself. Take time for them, with them. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli again
This message is from: "kngould" Well said Meredith: my two Friesians and two Fjords are well loved by farrier and vet alike; and I never have a problem asking someone to feed or turn out for me. Everyone is so impressed with how light, sensible, and personable my horses are. I've done the Parelli 7 games with all, but only went thru Level 1 completely with one of them. Yet they are willing, well-behaved and respectful. Yet they are very loving and playful as well. I live in a "horse town" and I still get compliments on my boys! Kim - Original Message - From: "Steve Sessoms" To: "FjordHorse-L" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Parelli again This message is from: "Steve Sessoms" I see a whole lot of bashing Parelli and natural horsemanship movement by folks who don't seem to know a whole lot about it. I know several horses whose people have taken them to level 3 or 4 Parelli ... these are happy, beautiful, darling horses anyone would be proud to know or own. They are soft in the eye with their people and unlike most horses they follow their people around like puppy dogs! It is an amazing relationship these people have developed with their horses ... simply amazing! Horses are not supposed to be completely relaxed beside you at all times, they are supposed to respect you and look upon you much like they would a good alpha mare in a herd. In fact, almost all my horsey friends in Alabama are Parelli students and all have happy, well behaved horses. A lot of the bad comments I have read about Parelli are complaints about horses owned by little old ladies with spoiled rotten horses except when they play the 7 games badly ad nauseum, and afterwards they let the horse walk all over them, and then they are afraid to get on their horse and ride! There is some truth to that, but that is people who don't understand Parelli's own teaching! Judging all Parelli fans by that is like if I judged all Quarter Horse, Arabian, Walking Horse, show jumping or pulling contest people by the ignorance, bad handling, and abuse I have seen over the years ... and believe me, I have seen a LOT of it. I have also seen a lot of good handling and riding at these events. The 7 games aren't something you do over and over and over for three years until your poor horse is sick of the sight of you. You practice the 7 games every time you handle your horse from the ground and every time you ride your horse. They are simply getting control of your horses feet and mind whenever you want to position him beside the mounting block, move forward for the farrier with a touch of a finger, have him bravely check out a scary bag on the ground, safely leading your horse through a strange gate without that panic state they can get into, loading into a trailer as smoothly as they walk into their stall ... everything you ask your horse to do can be made easier by the 7 games when learned and applied properly. The 7 games are mostly things every excellent horseman since prehistory has known. If you are a student of natural horsemanship it isn't written in stone that you must lunge your horse just like John Lyons does it, or ask for a lead change just like Ray Hunt instructed, or insist with vehemence that your carrot stick isn't a whip, or that you must carry a carrot stick! Even the gurus of the movement found their own way in their own time like we all do. They learned and chose those tidbits of information and things learned through their own experience that worked for them and the horses they handled. I do understand some of the complaints about the movement, the promotion and all that, but I do not understand all the flack about the instruction they give. I wish my horses loved and respected me as much as my level 3 and above Parelli-trained friends horses love and respect them. I only get that much love when I carry a bucket of feed or when they are in the mood to be amused ... the respect, only when I have a whip in my hand. =( Maybe my story would be different if I spent the time with my horses they spend with theirs with similar knowledge and goals. Meredith Sessoms Tooksend Farm Moulton AL Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
The 100 Silliest Things People Say About Dogs (Paperback)
This message is from: Gail Russell The 100 Silliest Things People Say About Dogs (Paperback) Is the name of the book. By Alexandra Semyonova Ignore the bad review on Amazon. From what this woman has said on the e-mail list, she has reviewed lots of studies and is very careful about the conclusions she draws. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Dangers in breeding for body features.
This message is from: Gail Russell I am on a DogRead book that is discussing (with the author) a book called something like 101 Myths about Dogs. The author accessed all kinds of scientific studies (worldwide) about animals in order to write this book. One of her bigger topics is debunking the myths about dogs being dominance-fueled, and that we should follow all the behavioral stuff calling for Alpha Rolls, seeing the dog as a pack, Cesar Milan type behaviorsall are based on a profoundly incorrect and unscientific view of dog behavior. Currently we are discussing Dog-Aggessive dogs. In the course of the discussion, the author is pointing out that dog-dog aggression is HIGHLY heritable, and has its roots in a genetic inability for exercise impulse control. She says that, ONCE IT GETS IN A BREED, it is VERY hard to get out. She talks about "red cocker rage syndrome," which I presume was in the genetics of red cockers. She says that one in a hundred ***Golden Retrievers shows impulsive aggression by the time they are five. She says it is rooted in the fact that show winning sires end up siring large numbers of pups. Anything sound familiar here? Ruthie? Ruthie points out that the evaluation system, while helpful in some respects, tests the EXTERIOR of the animal, not the temperament. And, from what the person who wrote this book found in her extensive review of scientific behavior articles in dogs (of which there are probably many fewer about horses) that temperament, and particularly aggressiveness, is highly heritable. The author also points out that the lack of impulse control is related to the dog's inability to stop the signal that arises in the primitive part of the brain. She pointed out that aggression has its basic root cause in decreased impulse control.."which is the inability to run an upcoming impulse in the amygdala along the (pre-) frontal cortices to produce a controlled, socially and contextually appropriate response." In the horse world, the lack of impulse control would appear as spookiness, bolting, jumping sideways. Soif the heritability of temperament is similarly high in horseswe run a huge danger of wrecking the breed if we do not select for the calm Fjord temperament. By the wayregarding the other thing I harp onclicker training has been shown (preliminarily) to be especially effective at short circuiting the automatic responses to signals coming out of the amygdale, according to Karen Pryor's new book. I cannot find the name of the dog book right now, but will try to find it again and post to the list. It appears to be a very interesting book, though not cheap. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
panicking
This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com You are right Heather, the horse panics when you do. When I first got my Fjord, I was hand grazing her down a little hill. Suddenly we noticed a baby crow had fallen from the nest and was hiding in the grass. Baby crows are huge, this one was almost full grown, with a big beak to match. The mare started putting her nose over to it and I hollered NO, and she jumped up the hill. From then on, when she hears a crow cawing, she gets slightly nervous, and she is not a nervous horse. So I did that to her. Valerie Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=tGAafHkW2LpRIs0QLzTTNwAAJ1DoZB7TN1OB7dhFT6MgUtS2AAYAAADNRwA= Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Birds in the barn
This message is from: foxxri...@aol.com We have kept all birds including, starlings and swallows, out of our arena since it was built 4 years ago by using holographic tape that we buy from Gemplers on line The tape is about 2" wide and we hang strips of it vertically in the doors and windows spaced about a foot apart. The strips in the doorways hang about 5 feet from the ground so you and the horses can walk under them but we found that the birds do not fly under or through the stripsthey won't fly that low to the ground as that would put them in reach of the barn cats. The horses quickly got used to the reflection of light on the arena walls and the noise of the tapes flapping...just helped desensitize them to something new and different. We have only had to replace a few strips each year...much easier than replacing the insulation in the arena! Sheila Tweedie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2010 #35
This message is from: Carol Makosky Let's face the cold hard facts. No matter how safe one tries to make a situation, things happen for no rhyme or reason. I think they call them accidents. And they may be more likely to happen and be more serious when one is dealing with a 1000 # plus animal. So lets all use our horse sense or common horse sense and I won't sue the dog leash company if my horse has an incident while on her leash. Amen crystal...@aol.com wrote: > This message is from: crystal...@aol.com > > > In a message dated 3/8/10 7:59:13 AM, > owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > > >> I'd be concerned about the dog running >> thinking he can keep going and then reach the end hard, but guess they >> learn. >> >> > > from my experience with a large dog, WE reach the end. i had my chessie > yank me straight off my feet when he was young. > > one concern would be the retractable getting away from the owner and > slamming into the horse. or the horse ending up dragging it around chasing > him > > laurie > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > > > > -- "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." R.B. Cunningham Graham Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Home of Heidi, The Wonder Pony Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2010 #35
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com In a message dated 3/8/10 7:59:13 AM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > I'd be concerned about the dog running > thinking he can keep going and then reach the end hard, but guess they > learn. > from my experience with a large dog, WE reach the end. i had my chessie yank me straight off my feet when he was young. one concern would be the retractable getting away from the owner and slamming into the horse. or the horse ending up dragging it around chasing him laurie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
