Re: Is there a dun coastal inlet?! Shame on Alex and his writers!
This message is from: Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com Dun or buckskin in my opinion too! Tan as a body color takes it out of the bay family...also IMO. Sent from my iPad On Mar 7, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Melinda melinda.schumac...@gmail.com wrote: This message is from: Melinda melinda.schumac...@gmail.com I can't believe it: I'm stuck in the car dealership waiting for my headlamp to be replaced. Jeopardy is on the TV. The category is Horses of a different color. The answer to the first question is chestnut, the second palomino. The third question is a tan horse with brown points on the legs, mane and tail... (at least that's how I'm recalling it with my middle-aged brain). I'm thinking Dun. But the question has a second part, and is also the word for a coastal inlet. I am so surprised - fjord? Of course that's not a colorit really should have been dunbut I am excitedly screaming FJORD, FJORD in my head as no contestant sounds their buzzer. Then Alex gives the answer, Bay. Whaat?!! Okbut a TAN horse? Wouldn't that be a buckskin at best? Partial to my dun fjords, Melinda In central Ohio where it is still winter. Sent from my iPhone Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Is there a dun coastal inlet?! Shame on Alex and his writers!
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Additionally, the points on a bay horse are black, not brown. The agouti gene deals with the distribution of black, not brown, to the points (mane, tail, lower legs, tips of ears). Occasionally you will find a bay horse that has a very pale coat to the point where you might wonder if it's a bay or buckskin. Sometimes it's due to a sunburned coat, sometimes it's just a light shade of bay and sometimes it's a bit of both. But it's certainly not the norm. Shame on Jeopardy for not getting it right. The bay horse body color has a wide range of shades ranging from a horse that looks nearly black to the more common shades of red-browns and oranges and even an occasional tan. This is why, in my opinion, we have the different shades of brown dun in our Fjordies. Our brown duns are bays first, but the dun gene dilutes whatever shade of bay is present. Similarly, chestnut horses come in a wide range of shades and even point colors, and when the dun gene is present, you get a range of red dun shades as well. And just to stir things up on a related topic. My pet peeve is seeing references to the rare red dun gene, or grey dun gene, or white dun gene, or yellow dun gene. There's is no such thing. The dun gene is the same gene in each case (well, the white dun and yellow dun have an additional and separate dilute in play as well). The dun gene is simply diluting the base color of the horse. Brown dun = bay+dun. Red dun = chestnut+dun. Grey dun =black+dun. White dun = bay+dun+creme. Yellow dun = chestnut+dun+creme. (The creme gene is a dilute which creates palominos and buckskins in ordinary breeds. Palomino = chestnut+creme. Buckskin = bay+creme. So technically our white duns are buckskin duns, and our yellow duns are palomino duns.) The Fjord colors other than brown dun are only rare because of human selection. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com Dun or buckskin in my opinion too! Tan as a body color takes it out of the bay family...also IMO. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Is there a dun coastal inlet?! Shame on Alex and his writers!
This message is from: Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com Hi Karen! Thanks for the info...takeTHAT Jeopardy people! We should get after the crossword puzzle folks too. It took me forever to figure out that brown/bay/dark/(even)buckskin horse often translates in a puzzle into roan. Go figure. Kay in SE MI. Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com wrote: This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com Additionally, the points on a bay horse are black, not brown. The agouti gene deals with the distribution of black, not brown, to the points (mane, tail, lower legs, tips of ears). Occasionally you will find a bay horse that has a very pale coat to the point where you might wonder if it's a bay or buckskin. Sometimes it's due to a sunburned coat, sometimes it's just a light shade of bay and sometimes it's a bit of both. But it's certainly not the norm. Shame on Jeopardy for not getting it right. The bay horse body color has a wide range of shades ranging from a horse that looks nearly black to the more common shades of red-browns and oranges and even an occasional tan. This is why, in my opinion, we have the different shades of brown dun in our Fjordies. Our brown duns are bays first, but the dun gene dilutes whatever shade of bay is present. Similarly, chestnut horses come in a wide range of shades and even point colors, and when the dun gene is present, you get a range of red dun shades as well. And just to stir things up on a related topic. My pet peeve is seeing references to the rare red dun gene, or grey dun gene, or white dun gene, or yellow dun gene. There's is no such thing. The dun gene is the same gene in each case (well, the white dun and yellow dun have an additional and separate dilute in play as well). The dun gene is simply diluting the base color of the horse. Brown dun = bay+dun. Red dun = chestnut+dun. Grey dun =black+dun. White dun = bay+dun+creme. Yellow dun = chestnut+dun+creme. (The creme gene is a dilute which creates palominos and buckskins in ordinary breeds. Palomino = chestnut+creme. Buckskin = bay+creme. So technically our white duns are buckskin duns, and our yellow duns are palomino duns.) The Fjord colors other than brown dun are only rare because of human selection. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: Kay Van Natta jadeb...@aol.com Dun or buckskin in my opinion too! Tan as a body color takes it out of the bay family...also IMO. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
