RE: horses as food
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" Hee Hee. I knew a dutchman who grew up in WWII. He drove Friesians, and one day when I told him we had Fjords, he reminisced about what good eating they were. Took him back to his childhood. I always thought it would be a GREAT finale to a video of "101 things you can do with a Fjord". K. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Libby
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was at Libby for my 2nd visit. I thought it was a wonderful event. The parade was terrific fun, the Lasseseesseeens (?) costumes were a delight. It was a pleasure seeing all the farm equipment demo'ed, and Jeff & Lisa Pederson did a great job with their four-in-hand. Libby is a gorgeous venue, and the show has a very intimate feel to it. There was time to meet people and talk to them. Plus there's the entertainment - watching Ron D. Dancing at the potluck is a sight I'll never forget! Kudos to all who worked on the show to bring it about. I'll have a public site with pictures and video's up tomorrow. K. - Original Message - From: "oe Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Libby This message is from: "oe Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am sorry for all the negativity. I personally really like Fred and Lois and I wish Lois better health. They were the first Fjord people that we met when we went to Libby for the first time. They have always treated us very well. Libby this year was smaller but none the less wonderful. The competitors were happy and very friendly to each other. Sharing equipment and helping each other out. Just like Libby always is. The weather was spectacular and according to Dick Springs, so was the fishing. We had a good crowd of people come to see the show on Saturday and I think that they enjoyed it. We followed Jeff and Lisa and Laura up I 15 and barring a few problems, which Jeff fixed with his usual smile. The horses are so patient. I love Fjords. After bedding them down on Thursday, we sat around and visited with everyone. This is one of the highlights of Libby. Met Rune Lassessen(sp) for the first time and saw Catherine's Buhund puppies. They are pretty awesome. We missed seeing Amy. The show went very smoothly and for the first time we saw what Howard's farm implements could really do. That man is amazing. Hauling all the implements around in that big red trailer. He needs a blue ribbon for effort. The Nordicfest people fed us the first night and every morning there were Huckleberry pancakes. Back on my diet now. It was great to see new horses and watch their abilities. These Fjords are a joy to be around. Jeff and Lisa Pedersen are wonderful friends and so willing to share what they know and do. We ask tons of questions and they don't seem to tire of passing on their experience and wisdom. It was great to see Laura again. We met her at Winona and she has become a good friend. Just don't get her going on trivial pursuit. She has an abundance of little known facts. Sorry this is so long, just had to get it out. Pat Wilson Uff Da Fjords Hyde Park, UT PS: I won Sherry Dayton's Fjord wall hanging. Eat your hearts out it is great The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Established Fjord Horse show in the middle
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nope, no misunderstandings. We know there is a need for something down in Oregon, to cover that area as well as our friends from CA. It sounds like this is an ongoing event, and does not require PNFPG sponsorship to bring it about. For those whom ML is to far to attend for our Spring Fling (as taffy mentioned previously) this sounds like a wonderful opportunity. Do keep in mind that the spring fling (SF) (2-4 may at ML) is also one of our biannual business meetings, so there is a lot of club business that is attended to at that as well. However if you're unable to make the SF due to time / distance constraints, this sounds like a wonderful way to gain experience. Karl - Original Message - From: "Kimberly Kinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Established Fjord Horse show in the middle This message is from: Kimberly Kinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good evening. Please don't misunderstand my post about Oregon Gold. I am definitely NOT advocating the overthrow of either the Libby or Moses Lake venues!!! Way out of my league to even suggest it! Being relatively newly owned by Fjords (one of which LOVES to show) I am merely looking for additional avenues to be with fellow owners. We went to Libby and loved it. We tried to get to Moses Lake this year, but my daughter broke her ankle (after all the fees were paid of course! :-) ) so we didn't make it. However, because of school and distance to travel we will not be able to make both shows in one year and one Fjord show a year would be disappointing. Showing in open/schooling shows in our area will be fun, but it would just add something extra to be able to be with other Fjordies! I thought perhaps there was interest in the NW for some ADDITIONAL opportunities to show off our beloved friends, and wanted to mention Oregon Gold. Thank you, Very Respectfully, Kimberly (southern Oregon) _ ___Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Really correct site
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nicely done, Linda. k. - Original Message - From: "Linda Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Really correct site This message is from: "Linda Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Moses Lake Album, I promise! www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5814&l=0beb6&id=577613822 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Upcoming Fjord Events in the Pacific Northwest
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sheryl, if it's not too soon, the PNFPG will be having the Inernational Fjord Show in Libby, MT. next weekend. That would be a terrific opportunity to see fjords in action, and to meet some great people. Check out the website at www.pnfpg.org for the particulars. Karl - Original Message - From: "Sheryl O" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Upcoming Fjord Events in the Pacific Northwest This message is from: Sheryl O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am more of a lurker here... but sometime this fall or winter I would love to go to an expo or other event that will give me a chance to learn more about Fjords and see them in person. I have ridden a Fjord (on a dude trail ride of all things!) and really liked her, but I would like to see how they move etc. I am currently taking riding lessons on a sweet quarter horse and care leasing a driving mini... and would like to get a single ride & drive horse in the long run. I am a shorter fluffy person, so I like the idea of a Fjord, or possibly a Haflinger, a little closer to the ground and yet still good substance. I also like that they both do very well driving. I have seen a lot more Haflingers at shows, jumping etc and I know some of them are very nice movers and would like to see Fjords in those settings too. I think I have missed the big shows of the year, just wondering what might be coming up - any opportunities to do some window shopping? thanks! Sheryl In memory of my beloved sister Linda Hardy 7/28/66 - 5/3/07 Please sponsor me in the Seattle Breast Cancer 3 Day Walk for the Cure! Sept 7-8-9, 2007 http://www.the3day.org/seattle07/sherylo The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Stall sealer/paint?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a similiar situation, with tounge-in-groove stalls. I've left the wood unsealed mostly out of laziness, but I justify it by professing ignorance. I too would welcome anyone's suggestions. k. - Original Message - From: "Teressa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Stall sealer/paint? This message is from: "Teressa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm just finishing up my new, nice barn and need to know if it is safe to seal the wood used for the stalls. They are tongue and groove and are left natural right now. Is it safe to seal the wood where they would have the access to chew on it? My horses are not cribbers but if there is food flavor or salt flavor, they will lick a piece of wood or whatever is carrying the smell. Are there brands or types of seal that would be better than others? Thanks for the help. Teressa Kandianis in Ferndale, WA Ps - I took my 3 fjords to Moses Lake and had the most fun I've ever had at a show. The big separate drive/ride warm up arenas were great. The indoor arena was fabulous with very good footing, a concession stand, great loudspeaker system there, office in there, well lit, good staging area. A very safe venue. There were lots of water hose bibs everywhere, lots of electrical hookups, I think 16 separate wash racks with plenty of hose bibs. Shade in the trailer parking area. Very pleasant for me and my horses. Volunteers showed up as we drove in - brought my bales of shavings right to the stalls. My Nina was a pill as usual - but the big driving warm up arena allowed us to blow off some steam and kept her from being over the top and we took first in both Open Pleasure Driving and Reinsmanship. She was fabulous - forward and on the bit and nice extension in her road trot. Karl F said I was actually smiling during my classes. I await Dan Watanabe's pictures to confirm that. And best of all - it was an easy haul from Ferndale - about 5 or 6 hours. Easy on me and my horses. The Show chairman and committee were well organized and the volunteers were all great as well. I'll be there next year. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving on a road
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I drive on the road all the time. I always keep an SMV (slow moving vehicle) sign on my cart; as far as I know that is all that is required legally. More importantly (or, at least as important) is that I drive down the CENTER of the lane. I take up the full width of my lane, which forces vehicles that want to pass me into the oncoming lane. I found that if I stayed to the side of the road, drivers would squeeze me, but if I'm in the middle they move all the way over. Go figure, but it works. Most people are wonderful, and either stop to take pictures, point it out to the kids, or just stop to have a conversation. k. - Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: driving on a road This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was wondering what other folks due for safety while driving down a paved road. We only want to drive a very short distance to access dirt drives, but want to be safe and keep the drivers alert and behaved. Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Pics from Moses Lake
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you were at the Moses Lake WA show, send me your pic's and I'll upload them to the link below. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5387&l=32a77&id=577472985 Cheers, k. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: off topic
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I read that article today, and just now saw your mail. congrats on being a hypermiler. I wish they HAD left your quote in! K. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: off topic This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i was interviewed a week or so ago by the associated press because my name came up in a search for hypermilers. we are people who drive hybrid cars and regularly get more miles per gallon than the EPA ratings, which were just lowered, so now our percentages are even better. the article has shown up in several places, but here's a link to business week if you are interested: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8PE6LGO1.htm they cut my line about my favorite ride being only 1 horsepower, and i have no idea how many miles he gets to the bale of hay. laurie ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Re[2]: tips on taking pictures inside an arena?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Steve. With my luck I'd probably totally fry the camera - good to know; now I know why it pays to have pro's do the work! K. - Original Message - From: "Steve McIlree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re[2]: tips on taking pictures inside an arena? This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl-- Wednesday, May 9, 2007, you wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions. Yeah; it sounds like additional flash equipment is required. I'll see what we can dig up in terms of more equipment. The main thing you want to bear in mind in this search the the guide number of the flash unit. You most often see the guide number expressed in terms such as "Guide Number (GN) 120 at ISO 100". This then relates to the distance you can get a well exposed picture at a given f/stop through the formula "Guide Number/distance = f/stop". So with the flash unit above, if you were to shoot with an f/stop of 2 and ISO 100 you could get a well exposed picture at a distance of 60 feet (120/60 = 2). Most built-in flashes have a guide number in the range of 20 to 30 which explains why you can't count on them for use at any distance. Another thing with which you need be concerned when looking for an external flash is the trigger voltage your particular camera camera can handle. You will probably need to check with the manufacturer's tech support to get this number, but it is very important because if you use a flash with too high a trigger voltage it can fry the flash switch inside you camera making further use with flash impossible. Most modern flashes are compatible with most modern cameras, but since the consequences are so grave it pays to be sure. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA My goal in life is to be as good a person my dog already thinks I am. --Anonymous The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: tips on taking pictures inside an arena?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for all the suggestions. Yeah; it sounds like additional flash equipment is required. I'll see what we can dig up in terms of more equipment. K. - Original Message - From: "Steve McIlree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: tips on taking pictures inside an arena? This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl-- Wednesday, May 9, 2007, you wrote: Taking pictures inside an arena is a real hassle. You are usually too far away for the flash to be any good, and that results in a really dark picture - does anyone have any ideas or tips for doing this well? The built-in flashes on cameras are a joke once your subject is much more than ten feet away; not much good in a arena. Boosting the ISO is one solution, but it comes with the drawback of additional noise (grain) with both digital and film. When I reviewed the pictures I shot at Winona, I was pleased with the exposure but disappointed with the blurring from the relatively low shutter speed even with a higher ISO. So I searched ebay until I found a good price on a Sunpak 544, a separate hammer-head flash unit that will pump sufficient light out up to 100 feet and more. Although I haven't yet had a chance to try it in a situation like a large indoor arena, I know that I used a similar flash to shoot basketball games, when I was in the Army, with great success. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA It's never the horse, it's always the rider. --Old Cavalry Adage The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
tips on taking pictures inside an arena?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Taking pictures inside an arena is a real hassle. You are usually too far away for the flash to be any good, and that results in a really dark picture - does anyone have any ideas or tips for doing this well? Cheers, k. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
PNFPG Spring Fling report and Fjords, Fjords Fjords!
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Pacific Northwest Fjord Promotional Group (PNFPG) held its 42nd biannual meeting this May 4,5 & 6th at the Grant County Fairgrounds, In Moses Lake, WA. Over the last two years we've combined our business meetings with various clinics, and have had a rousing success. After all, if you have to get together to do business, why not have some fun too? So we call it a Spring Fling. Out of ~143 members scattered across North America, there were 40+ attendees with 30+ horses at the event, participating in clinics such as Dressage, with Anne Appleby, Driving, with Donna Burgess and China Larabe, Trail Riding with Kathi Thompson, and Horsemanship with Gayle Ware. I personally attended Gayle Ware's clinic, and found it incredibly challenging, informative and useful. I am a better horseman and Fjord owner because of it. On the business side, the primary business conducted was a thorough overhaul of our bylaws. Surprisingly a significant number of members suffered through the whole mind-numbing and tedious affair; subsequent bylaws issues should be much smaller in scope. We have fixed the date of our 43rd biannual meeting for November 3rd; At the Best Western in Moses Lake, WA. Check out the www.pnfpg.org as details emerge. Feel free to find out what we're all about - we'd love to find out what you're about! Thanks to all who attended, and thanks to Taffy Mercer, and her crew, for all the hard work they did to make this event a success. Things are happening! The PNFGP will be having it's annual International Fjord Show at the Libby, Montana Nordicfest celebration on September 7, 8 and 9. This is a great opportunity to show off what you & your Fjords can do! The International Fjord Show was the first of it's kind in the Northwest, and is run and staffed by an experienced and seasoned cadre. For those who have kids, and would like to show while they're still out of school, the PNFPG is sponsoring a NEW show August 24,25 and 26 at the Grant County Fairgrounds, Moses Lake WA. This is the first show we'll be putting on in Moses lake, and are excited with the plans. For more information, check out http://pnfpg.org/NW2007/nw07.pdf. If you are bringing along a horse widower (or widow) we'd love to put them to work, and have some fun while we're at it. As a kicker, the NFHR will be hosting an Evaluation on August 22 and 23 in Moses Lake. This is a terrific opportunity to find out just how good your Fjord is! If you're new to Fjords, attending an evaluation (even as just an observer) is a wonderful way to immerse yourself in all things Fjord. For more information on the evaluation, please check out http://www.pnfpg.org/moselakeeval.html. Want more? There IS more! On May 17th in Seattle, WA is Syttende Mai Parade (Norway's Constitution Day) . A group of Fjord horses will enter into the parade. More info at www.ballardfjordhorses.com. On June 9, and 10 there will be a CDE Clinic at Fjelldalengard in St Ignatius Montana , Hosted by Don and Heather Torgenrud. Clinicians will be Donna Burgess and China Larabe. Keep your eyes on www.pnfpg.org as details emerge. On July 14-15 there will be a non-ADS sanctioned CDE at Teddy Bear Fjords, in Meade, WA. Click here for info: http://pnfpg.org/TBF/tbf_cde_7_2007.pdf Ever seen a CDE with mostly (if not all) Fjords? Ever seen a CDE at all? This is a great opportunity to find out, in a friendly group of non-pretentious horse owners. If Participation in a CDE is daunting and intimidating, volunteers are ALWAYS needed! Warren and Sylvia Riddle will be the hosts, and we can look forward to a terrific time. What does it mean to be non-ADS sanctioned? Only that this is not an official event sponsored by the American Driving Society (http://www.americandrivingsociety.org). Otherwise, all ADS rules and procedures will be observed for this event. ALL these events require PNFPG membership for insurance and liability reasons. If you'd like to join, feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]; membership is dirt cheap at $20 compared to the benefits you get. Of course, you can also go to www.pnfpg.org and follow the procedures there. If you are in the U.S or Canada Pacific Northwest (we use a VERY broad definition), we would love to hear from you! Our roster of members include clinicians with extensive domain knowledge and experiences, as well as plenty of us folk who simply enjoy our horses and have picked up a thing or two along the way. There is something for everyone! Cheers and Regards, Karl Froelich Chairman, PNFPG Snohomish, WA USA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
NFHR Evaluation at Moses Lake, WA August 22-23, 2007.
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Norwegian Fjord Horse owner and enthusiast, The Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry (NFHR) plans to conduct the first evaluation ever held in the State of Washington at the Grant County Fairgrounds in Moses Lake, August 22-23, 2007. This evaluation will take place on the two days prior to the all-new Northwest Fjord Show sponsored by the Pacific Northwest Fjord Promotional Group (PNFPG) as part of what promises to be five fantastic days of Fjords. An evaluation is a terrific opportunity to have your Fjord judged objectively, not against other horses, but against the breed standard and is a terriffic opportunity to learn more about what makes a good Fjord horse. Conformation and movement tests will take place on Wednesday, August 22 and perfomance tests will take place on Thursday August 23. Even if you can not bring a Fjord this time, we encourage you to come and join us for this fun, educational event. Of course, volunteers are always welcome. For more information please contact Dan Watanabe at (509) 258-7348 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For participation in the Northwest Fjord Show contact David VanHoof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Northwest Fjord Show is the sister show to the Libby International Fjord Show, held in Libby Montana September 7-9. Both shows are put on by the Pacific Northest Fjord Promotional Group (PNFPG). For information on the LIbby show, contact Shirley Anderson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Twice the shows - twice the Fjord Fun! Check us out at http://www.pnfpg.org. Cheers, Karl Froelich Chairman, PNFPG. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Recognizing the differences - good & bad - in Fjords.
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've added the conformation link in the Fjord horse wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fjord_horse#Overview). I've also added information on eating fjords in holland, during 1944-45, as related to me by an old dutchman. We say they're versatile! - Original Message - From: "Sarah Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Recognizing the differences - good & bad - in Fjords. This message is from: Sarah Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting Wikipedia article! Thanks for passing it on. It seems to treat both downhill and uphill conformation as a fault. As a rider who primarily is interested in dressage, I prefer a slight uphill conformation. But I think that maybe in draft or cutting a slight downhill confers and advantage (draft and cutting folk feel free to chime in and tell me if this is wrong or right.) I think that either carried to extreme will result in the problems noted in the Wikipedia article. I have had some horses (non-Fjord) with the extreme high wither/uphill conformation and saddle fitting did get very problematic. Sarah in Jamul CA - where would you belive that last week we had lows in the 20's and water pipes froze, now we have high's in the 80's! ruth bushnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Withers Lower than Croup/Rump High/Downhill Balance [47] a.. The peak of the croup is higher than the peak of the withers. This is less desirable than a horse with higher withers. b.. Uncommon, seen in any breed but especially in Thoroughbreds. c.. Young horses are usually built this way. d.. More weight is placed on the forehand, reducing the front-end agility. Muscles must work harder to lift the forehand, leading to muscular fatigue. It is difficult to raise the forehand at the base of a jump for liftoff. At speed, more work of loins, back & front end is needed to lift the forelimbs. e.. Increases concussion on the front legs, so the horse is at greater risk of front-end lameness. Greater jar on the rider. f.. Tends to throw the saddle & rider toward the shoulders, leading to chaffing, pressure around withers, & restricted shoulder movement." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equine_conformation Ruthie, nw mt US The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: primary source for the Viking citation?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am simply looking for the citation for the statement, which uses the word "viking". It had to originate from somwhere. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: Re: primary source for the Viking citation? This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there, I do not know the exact source for that particular statement, but do know that there are references to horses described to be similar to Fjords in Nordic literature. Teutonic Mythology by Jacob Grimm comes first to mind but these texts are VERY hard to find. Also, there is quite a bit of pictorial documentation regarding artifacts found with horses depicted. The problem is that if you are using the term "Viking" in your search, you are eliminating centuries of probable documentation, artifacts, and literature. Remember, the Viking age was very short, only approximately 250 years, and does not in any way encompass the entire history or legacy of the Norse/Northern Europeans-and their horses, themselves. Lynda <http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Grave sites / Vikings
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Catherine; I groked around and found similiar references to horse skeletons found in viking burials, but nothing identifying them as fjords. Indeed, the oldest one was fomr ~ 1000 AD, so I still don't know where the "2000 years" reference is from. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Grave sites / Vikings This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello! And Good Morning! What we have found and we are still looking for the exact quotes for you... are the following. (Translated into English) Gyldendals Store Konversasjons Leksikon ( Encyclopedia ) The Osebergskipet had 14 skeletons of horses. The Gokstad ship had 12 skeletons of horses. The book lists all the item that they found. I believe the quote about selectively breeding comes from a Norwegian Book. Many stories were passed down from Skalds (story tellers). Enjoy the day! Catherine Lassesen, Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
primary source for the Viking citation?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are several places on the internet (including the NFHR's website) where the following sentence is .. "Archaeological excavations at Viking burial sites indicate that the Fjord Horse has been selectively bred for at least 2,000 years" Yet, there are no citations. Does anyone know what the primary source for this statement is? It seems to have been copied around without ever finding the original. Without a source, we don't know if it's true. Cheers, k. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fjord Entry in Wikipedia
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To the list - The Fjord entry in Wikipedia is a bit on the light side. If anyone would like to make serious and substantive addtions to the entry (please stay away from controversial & subjective issues!) Go to the link below http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fjord_horse&oldid=90923874 and click on edit. Be advised that the accuracy of the content is everyones business, so don't only think twice, but maybe 3 or 4 times before submitting an entry. Cheers, K. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Queen (well, Princess) Elizabeth & Fjords
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We found this at Windsor Castle, in London this spring: http://kfroe.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F404684DFD56755!140.entry The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: (FjordList) What to do, what to do?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are so many good, well-bred fjords that are a pleasure to own; IMHO the wisest thing is to put these down. They cannot be used for breeding; it's unlikely they will be able to be used for pleasure riding, and the risk is they will be handed off from owner to owner and wind up being treated cruelly. As you mention yourself, there would be a hard time finding an owner willing to care for them. As a responsible owner, putting them down may be the most humane course - for their sake as well as your own. k. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: (FjordList) What to do, what to do? This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, as some of you know, I'm the owner of a pair of â?ospecialâ? Fjords, full siblings, five-year-old Heidi, and two-year-old Brecken. Their shared issues include severe underbites, and developmental issues; they both, IMO, look quite underdeveloped: short and lean with small feet â?" Brecken looks a lot more like a yearling than a two-year-old. Their individual issues are that Heidi was born completely blind in one eye, and partially blind in the other (missed in the pre-purchase...), while Breckenâ?Ts front legs twist significantly from the knee, not to mention his considerable â?omake-meâ? attitude (he went through a horrible kicking phase, and recently literally fractured his own skull running into the edge of his paddock door [don't even start me on that one...]). Oh, they also are both horrible chewers. In any case, I'd always felt like it was my responsibility to keep them; but lately itâ?Ts become more and more difficult for me to handle the stresses of having them. I feel like a horrible person for even considering trying finding them a new home, especially since I don't know if I'd trust anyone willing to take them on (who in their right mind would want them?! They both have very special needs, are expensive to maintain, and, for safetyâ?Ts sake, really should not be thought of as anything more than pasture ornaments), but I'm really starting to feel stuckâ?¦ So, what would you do if you were in my position? Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: CD or DVD
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since the advantage of a DVD over a CD is that a DVD can hold up to 8gb of data, and a CD only 600m of data, it would make sense to put it all on a CD, if it all fits. All CD and DVD players can read a CD, but only DVD players can read a DVD. There is no advantage to putting this on a DVD if it fits on a CD. k. - Original Message - From: "Karen Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: CD or DVD This message is from: Karen Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings Fjord Folks, The NFHR is close to finishing a project that is archiving the historical Fjord Heralds, which started out as a newsletter in Autumn 1986. These print copies have been scanned to electronic images (PDFs) and will be stored on either CD or DVD, or both, and be made available for purchase. My question to you folks isdo you have the capability to play either CD, DVD or both on your computers? Remember that the DVD is not the type for playing on your TV, only on your computer. If you could take a moment to respond as to your preference, that would greatly assist in a decision of whether to produce on CD, DVD or a quantity of both. Many thanks! Karen Hanson - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: our own domain
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What? An imperialistic ".com" instead of the more patriotic ".ca"? Are you coming over to the dark side? 8-) Very nice to see fjords that aren't all straggly from 9,873 days of nonstop rain. Karl (glurg) - Original Message - From: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjordlist" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: our own domain This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks everyone who checked out our new domain www.trinityfjords.com and the positive comments. It's always fun to update the pictures every year to reflect what happened here at Trinity Fjords( B.C. Canada). This year I added the testimonials from our guestbook on the Driving Vacation page. I can't believe it's been 6 years since we started offering them. We have met some really interesting people with many becoming good friends. We have had a very mild winter to date with much ice and little snow making driving and sleighing difficult...our fjords are surely enjoying the break. They are shedding too. I'm excited because I pick up my new Dartmoor carriage this weekend. Brand spankin' new fromPacific Carriage in Maple Ridge B.C. Brian and I will pick it up on Sunday after stopping off near Bellingham to watch Teressa Kandianis and the girls at her barn holding a schooling show...we look forward to seeing her ride/jump and drive HER new Pacific Gig. It's also our 38th wedding anniversary so some celebration is on the agenda. take care ursula BTW...the PNFPG newsletter is in the mail and members should have it in their mailbox any day. Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC, V0E 2G0 Canada 250-547-6303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
erk - was:Re: Red Dun Gelding for sale
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> bah. one of these days I'll figure out how to send mail w/out spamming the whole list. k. - Original Message ----- From: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Red Dun Gelding for sale This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wow. we have 3 fjords we've bought from Brian & Ursula, 2 of whom have Raynor as sire, and one who has heia as her dam. just a thought - I'm sure we can't afford him, but how much are you wanting? My wife is wanting a dressage horse and I'm wanting a 4th for my four-in-hand. - Original Message - From: "Elizabeth Walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Red Dun Gelding for sale This message is from: Elizabeth Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone, My almost 6 year old Red Dun gelding is for sale---due to my physical limitations. He is from Trinity Fjords---Brian & Ursula Jensen. They started him driving and he has been in riding training since then. He is currently in training with Dressage trainer Harriet Hauser near Portland, Oregon. He spent the fall and winter with Anne Appleby. My phone number and e-mail address are listed with the photos at the web site you can click on below. Elizabeth You can view pictures of Erik the Red at http://users.easystreet.com/~rwalton/. His pedigree can be viewed at http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=200230&HorseName=Trinity%27s%20Raynor%27s%20Red&Page=1&Sort=0 Elizabeth Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Dun Gelding for sale
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wow. we have 3 fjords we've bought from Brian & Ursula, 2 of whom have Raynor as sire, and one who has heia as her dam. just a thought - I'm sure we can't afford him, but how much are you wanting? My wife is wanting a dressage horse and I'm wanting a 4th for my four-in-hand. - Original Message - From: "Elizabeth Walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Red Dun Gelding for sale This message is from: Elizabeth Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone, My almost 6 year old Red Dun gelding is for sale---due to my physical limitations. He is from Trinity Fjords---Brian & Ursula Jensen. They started him driving and he has been in riding training since then. He is currently in training with Dressage trainer Harriet Hauser near Portland, Oregon. He spent the fall and winter with Anne Appleby. My phone number and e-mail address are listed with the photos at the web site you can click on below. Elizabeth You can view pictures of Erik the Red at http://users.easystreet.com/~rwalton/. His pedigree can be viewed at http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=200230&HorseName=Trinity%27s%20Raynor%27s%20Red&Page=1&Sort=0 Elizabeth Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Teaching horses to stand quietly
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> er - this is all great; but doesn't really help with the original question.. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Teaching horses to stand quietly This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/24/2004 12:14:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been practicing the Parelli methods for a couple months. I think it works very well, but have not really had much first hand knowledge of how well others were doing with it. (And I certainly do not think that this is the only way to get things done) But after auditing and participating in clinics, I have seen some transformations happen. I watched a dancing 3year old paint go from using his owner as his personal chew toy to a respectful and still standing courteous horse. Hi Debi- Fjords are known for using humans as chew toys :-) I like the Parelli stuff a lot. Many people are now combining the method with clicker training for a very comprehensive program. Respect+body language+what Fjords love most, food! There is a yahoo list called PNHClickers which is very interesting. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Teaching horses to stand quietly
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We are taking one of our fjords in for an evaluation this fall at Libby. The importance and desireability of a horse to stand quietly has been pounded into me, but I'm lacking know-how. Anybody willing to share their training secrets? The filly that we're taking is 3, so I presume she is old enough to learn. She is accustomed to being ground driven, if that matters. Cheers, K.
Re: driving alone
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And when the cart tips over DON'T LET GO OF THE REINS! This happened to me recently, and by the time the birds finished swirling around my head, the horse was disapearing around the bend dragging the cart on it's side. Fortunately neither the horse nor cart was damaged too badly (horse not at all), but it could have been very bad indeed. Silly me, I dropped the reins to break my fall - if I'd taken the lumps and held on it would have been better all around. - Original Message - From: "Cynthia Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FH-L" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: RE: driving alone This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been catching up on my fjord horse list since Friday and I see no one has responded to your inquiries regarding driving alone. I do so frequently and here are few tips I have learned. I enjoy hitching up and driving out - just Tank and me. It is so soothing on a beautiful morning. 1. ALWAYS CARRY A CELL PHONE ON YOUR PERSON so you can call for help if you need it. Do not attach it to your vehicle, it could run away from you and then where would you be. 2. Use a halter under your bridle and run the cheek piece through the halter to make sure the bridle cannot come off. (I started doing this when Tank once shook off his bridle while we were walking down a desert road). Carry a lead rope with you in case you need to unhitch and lead the horse back. 3. Have a spares kit on you. ADS has a list of suggeted spares kit items for quick harness and cart repair. 4. If you are at a barn, let people know where you plan to drive and approximate time you expect to get back. 5. If you are not carrying a driving whip, do so. It is an essential safety item. (to keep the horse from backing up when dangerous, etc. and for nasty dogs.) Enjoy your solo driving! Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday)
Re: Evaluation at Libby
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sherry, We're Karl & Jerrie Froelich from Snohomish, WA. We have two filly's and a gelding we bought from Brian & Ursula, and we are very desirous of attending the april meeting (as well as the evaluation in libby). We would welcome any further information as it becomes available, Kindest thanks, Karl - Original Message - From: "Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord List" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: Evaluation at Libby > This message is from: "Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi everyone, > > For those of you that are members of PNFPG you know that it was decided at the > Fall meeting that we should try and have an Evaluation at Libby again this > year. The Libby show this year will be the 10th through 12th. of September. > The Evaluation is planned for the 8th & 9th. and has been approved by the > Evaluation committee. The Evaluators have not been set at this point in > time. > > In anticipation of the Evaluation we also decided that we should have an > Evaluation clinic along with our Spring meeting in order to help educate our > newer members to the Evaluation process as well as us old timers. It will be > a 2 day classroom clinic in Spokane Washington on April 3rd & 4th. Wayne > Hipsley will be doing the conformation part of the clinic on Saturday and > Brian & Ursula Jensen will do the performance part on Sunday. The cost for > the clinic has not been worked out at this time because it will depend on how > many people sign up to come to the clinic. The more that come the less it > will cost everyone. > > The clinic is open to anyone that may want to come and learn more about the > Evaluation process, not just PNFPG members.Anyone that would be interested > please e-mail me privately and I'll make sure that you get all the information > as it becomes available. Also if you are interested in attending the > Evaluation itself, that way we'll have a little better idea of how much > interest there is. > > If you have any questions please contact me and I'll get back to you as soon > as I can. > > Stay warm everyone, we have plenty of snow here in snowy North Idaho, > > Sherrie Dayton > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
your opinions on footing for arena?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey list - I've been lurking for some time, but now I'm going to jump in & take the plunge. We're owners of 3 fjords (out of Trinity Fjords, thanks Brian & Ursula). I'm currently fixing up our arena, and need some opinions on footing. We're located in the town of Snohomish, about 30 mi. North of Seattle. Snow & freezing is not a problem, but rain - lots of it - is. We bought our farm last june, and with it came a small outdoor riding arena. It's already fenced; I just need to fix the footing - there isn't any; and it's quite muddy & slippery. My plan was to dump enough gravel in it to make it flat, and then several inches of wood chips on top. I'm wondering how deep the soft stuff on top should be? I can pull a number out of the air - say, 6-8 inches, but that's not based on anything. I want it to be thin enough so that it will drain, but not so thin that there's no cushion from the gravel. I would be very interested in hearing what some of you have done dealing with this issue. Kindest thanks, Karl As an aside, I have the following to relate: We currently have two of our fjords, the other is still at Jensen's. Through special arrangements we now have the pony my kids have been getting their lessons on. He's a 14 yr old apaloosa (sp?), and he is way more work to keep than our two fjords. He's picky about food, requires special diet, and doesn't like nasty weather. He IS well suited for children, which is why we have him but boy oh boy, give me a fjord any day. I don't care for these high-maintennance animals. K
Re: The Canadian Horse
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "somewhere in the middle"? like, they were twins? 8-) - Original Message - From: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjordlist" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: The Canadian Horse > This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear list from Brian Jensen; >In response to some comments made about the breed and its > abilities and liabilities. I think Cheryl Ballard hit the nail on the head > with her hands on comments and observations. The Canadian Horse was > officially inducted this year as Canada's National Horse. It has an > interesting and fascinating history and background. One of the best equine > arguments around by breed traditionalists is over who sired who??? Morgan > owners believe that the original J Morgan stallion was the sire of the > Canadian Horse breed. Canadian Horse enthusiasts believe the exact opposite > is true. I suppose the truth is somewhere in the middle. > Our first real introduction to the Canadian Breed was at the World > Driving Pair Championships in Reisenbech Germany in 1999.Team Canada member > Jean Paul Gauthier drove a Bay Pair of Canadians winning Presentation > portion of the CDE overall. The Pair were big for Canadians--around 16 hh. > The Dressage Test was not their forte however they blew through the Advanced > Marathon. After the marathon I was having a beer with Jean-Paul in the > competitors tent---and I asked him if the Canadians had anything left after > the 28K or about 16 miles? He said that he had to hold them back or they > would have had time faults for coming in to early!!. > The Canadian Horse locally is becoming very popular used for > all disciplines of riding-driving-draft. They actually have an Iron-Horse > set of classes where they must do Riding-Driving-Draft. At every CDE we go > to out here there are a number of Canadians competing. I have not witnessed > them encountering overheating to date. The ones I have seen at shows seem to > be more higher strung than our Fjords and it shows sometimes in the classes > through mannerisms and resistance. >Like all breeds of horses including Fjords I think we have > natural athletes--natural movers, ---natural draft workers--depending on > their body type. In my present four-up hitch I have a cross-section of all > types. The Canadians I have seen profile this as well from the older style > stocky type to the more modern type which leans towards > Intermediate.-Brian J > Ursula & Brian Jensen > Trinity Fjords > Box 1032 > Lumby BC, V0E 2G0 > Canada 250-547-6303 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
trailer recommendations?
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have 3 fjords (2 in possession, one to p/u this spring) and hope to get 1 more. We're looking for a slant-in, gooseneck trailer to hold the 4, and camp out of at events. We don't really know the various makes (other than we can't afford a featherlight ;-) ); any trailers for sale or recomendations? Which brand is decent quality & value? What kind of things should we watch out for? We've found a '90 Logan 4-horse slant in fully padded for $5k US; is that good? I'll be pulling it with a Ford F-250. cheers, Karl & Jerrie
Re: long-maned fjord
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, we would love a picture. Our two year olds will arrive from the breeders in April and we have wondered what the long mane would look like. It will help us to know which direction to go. My little girls desparately want to braid horse hair! Jerrie in Washington - Original Message - > > Several weeks ago there was discussion about a long maned fjord for > sale in CA. Well Diesel has arrived in OR and is settling in fairly > well. His mane has never been cut and it is gorgeous with the > black/white colors. If anyone wants a pic email me privately. Also > I'm wondering-Can a forelock be to long??? I'm keeping it braided > loosely so he can see. Any suggestion's appreciated.
the equine megastore
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone had any dealings either positive or negative with buying on-line from the equine megastore? It is out of Austrailia and seems that the prices are too good to be true. www.equine-megastore.com Thanks - Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have Saddle, Will Travel
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone know anything about Don West's brand of horse Camping gear? Hi there. We are Karl and Jerrie in Seattle, Washington and new to the Fjord family. Our two newly purchased yearling fillies from the Jensens in B.C. will be moving in with us in April. We are looking ahead to all the different things we will be able to do together and have been reading everything we can get our hands on regarding carts and log skidding, sleighs and skjorning (skeboarding, skijaring?). Our latest quest for knowledge is in the area of camping with our horses and we just read through Don West's book about low impact trail riding. This appeals to us because of our backpack wilderness hiking experience - we already have all of that equipment. We were intrigued by Don's sales pitch for his saddle bags and pack equipment. Do any of you have experience with his saddle bag and cantle bag system? Is this fancy stuff or is it really worth it for the horses and riders?
