Re: price of...
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yeah try buy a native pony ( welsh cob) their so quite, cheap to keep and docile. ideal for the first time owner. Not very forward going though. How come 5 years later how come I'v spent a fortune, most my Arab owning friends complement me on managing such a fiery horse and he likes ER races! LOL ( or possibly wince!) Tamara - Original Message - > this is from Joel Harman. > > Have been following with great amusement as everyone has been dissing > each other about whatever is written. Here are a few more of those > Arsenio Hall hmm. things
Re: teeth & testicles - *** (no caps)
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carole how right you are. In the UK I belive it is not (or it used not) to be possible to have any stallion irrespective of breed certified as a breeding stallion if he is cryptoid i.e. has one testicle (either because one is missing or undescended). This is because it was always considered a grave gentic fault. Personally I belive all stallions ( again irrespective of breed) should be performance and type evaluated like they used to in germany before being used as breeding stock. One of the bigest problems in the Uk is the use of inferior stallions and mares who are unfit to ride as breeding stock. this corrupts the gene pool, leads to starving sub standrad ponies on moorland over winter and only contributes to the awful meat trade in horses. Tamara - Original Message - From: Arthur Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: teeth & testicles - *** (no caps) > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) > > > > Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > > If I've shouted by using caps, I apologise. I use caps to emphasize a word > or a point. I wish I could bold print or highlight on email, but can't. I > don't want to shout at anybody. > > My last posting on this subject was lengthy, so in case some important > points got lost, I'll restate them as succinctly as possible. > > WHY BE CONCERNED IF STALLIONS HAVE INCORRECT TESTICLES & TEETH? Because > these traits are highly inherited, and concientious horsemen guard against > them. > > WHAT HARM DO THEY DO? Horses with over or under bites cannot graze > efficiently, and in the wild would starve, nature's way of eliminating this > problem from the gene pool. --- > > Stallions with only one testicle (the other retained in abdomen) CAN BREED, > thereby passing on the trait to their sons, and through their daughters. > --- Castrating these stallions is much more costly, and much more > dangerous for the horse. > > VETERINARY CERTIFICATION OF CORRECT TEETH & TESTICLES of stallions is > alredy required by the NFHR, but ONLY IF the owner wants stallion listed in > Stallion Issue of Herald. > > GOOD IDEA, BUT NOT ENOUGH because there are many other stallions breeding, > some of which may have inccorrect bites. ALL BREEDING STALLIONS NEED TO BE > VET EXAMINED to certifiy they have correct bites and two normal testicles. > > AS A LEGITIMATE REGISTRY, IT IS THE VERY LEAST THE NFHR CAN DO > > This plan is -- BASIC * SIMPLE * EASILY IMPLEMENTED * INEXPENSIVE * EASILY > VERIFIED > > BASIC - As Julie Will (retired Vice President of the NFHR and top breeder) > said. . . > > > "Can the NFHR be taken seriously by the Global Fjord Horse community if > there are breeding stallions here that have not passed even this simple > exam?" - > ~~~ > > BASIC BECAUSE - There's so much more the NFHR could do to ensure we breed > good Fjords in North America . . .BUT, this is the very LEAST WE CAN DO. > You don't get any more BASIC than this. > > SIMPLE - No special vet trips necessary. Stallion can be examined and > certificate signed anytime the vet is at the farm on any other business. > > EASILY IMPLEMENTED - The stallion owner mails certificate to the NFHR. > Information goes in computer. This will COMPLETE the NFHR stallion > registration proceedure. The other normal requirements would have been > taken care of earlier. > > IS THIS STALLION LICENSING? No! However, the young stallion will receive > only a "recorded" status on his registration certificate until the final > paperwork (vet certification) is received by the NFHR, which would be about > 18 months of age. > > When the owner sends in his stallion vet certificate, he returns his > pedigree certificate to have it stamped - "vet certified for teeth and > testicles." --- or something like that. At that point, the registration is > complete, and the stallion certified to be correct in those areas, making > him a much more valuable stallion. A good reason for stallion owners to > like this plan. > > INEXPENSIVE - This whole procedure will cost next to nothing. There's no > need for the vet to make a special trip. The NFHR costs to the stallion > owner will surely be minimal. > > EASILY VERIFIED - The vet certificate will be signed by a licensed vet; > therefore, we assume it's valid. If there's any doubt, the Registry has > the right to ask for a second vet
Re: Cows feelings
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The last yard I moved from had pedigrree swiss cattle. they were lovely animals and quite strong characters. Each winter they would come stomping into the indoor yard lie down and refuse to move until feed and securely penned in. As soon as spring came of they would stomp back down to pasture. Thye had very strong personalties and liked being fed stale bred, but didng puch like horses do. Just begged by waggling their tongues out! Could be quite exciting over the cross country course if the younger heifers decided to join in to. The yard owner had TB and Irish Draguht mares adn stallions but said the cattle were far brighter overall. Tamara - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Cows feelings > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/20/01 10:45:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << good going,- but in fear of offending cow people, I cannot respond to the > feeling question for cows, ha. Now, the calves I have to bottle feed > sometimes they are cute!!! Cows are just dumb if you ask me. Sorry! > >> > > > Likely cows have more brains than "W" has displayed so far. > And cows are NOT that dumb. We had one at the stable. It came when I called > it, including once when it was making a run for the street and it stopped > dead and returned when I yelled it's name. It quickly learned that whenever > it saw me head for my car, I came back with a treat. Once when I left the > door open, it was starting to crawl into my 300ZX just as I came back, > apparenly realizing where the goodies were kept. It learned to block my path > to my horse, if both were out together, so I would have to pay attention to > it. It would stand in my path when I was riding, so I would get down to move > it away. Did a lot of things that didn't seem like a dumb animal. Merek > >
Re: I need to know...riggy ?
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sorry for the delay Riggy is a horse who acts like a stallion as opposed to a rig who is a horse with one undescended testecle who basically is still a stallion! I had my horse blood tested to ensure he didnt produce testosterone and came back with an exceptionally low count even for a gelding! Amazing as he covers mares and if out with geldings only usually founds an obliging one... Yard owner where I sued to keep him had a TB stallion and said mines manorisms were much the same. Keeps you on yout toes though and he has quite bit of prescence. I put it down to him running with mares prior to being gelded. HTH. Tamara - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: I need to know...riggy ? > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 01-01-11 18:34:27 EST, you write: > > << Im not a > horse whisperer ( more foul launguaged bellower) but i persisted. I think > your horse just needs time to mature and something to occupy his mind. Dont > send him away as if trainers work for your horse theirs no guarantee your > horse will assume you have changed - unless you go with him to be trained. > >> > >Good advice, Tamera.I like you already. BTW, whats " riggy " ? Lisa > >
Re: Training a colt
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue Hi as a non Fjord owner but fellow awkward b**dy hors eowner can I put in my two penny worth? I have a welsh cob similiar build to a fjord who could drive many a person demented. He was sort of broke in by his alst owner , sort of cos she bought himas a backed 5 year old to later find he was an unbacked 2 1/2 year old hence reason he tended to ignore her aids! Lunging him used to be a nighmare consisting of me running around trying to get behind him as he slowly rotated round staring at me - yes he used to lunge me in circles good exercise for me but not what was intended! Schooling used to consist of him walking sideways facing the arena fence bucking as he sussed that facing away from the arena fence was less frightenting to me. he didnt tie up, shyed and ran of on rides and was generally a pain. Oh and being riggy also had a great sex life. Five eyars on I have a great horse who has done 50 mile rides with me, is now starting to do dressage and is a star to handle. he still ahs his moments ie.e tonight mad fling sideways at scarey leaf in arena. Im not a horse whisperer ( more foul launguaged bellower) but i persisted. I think your horse just needs time to mature and something to occupy his mind. Dont send him away as if trainers work for your horse theirs no guarantee your horse will assume you have changed - unless you go with him to be trained. Good luck in distance ridign the gitish horses are usually the best as they have courage and brains. Tamara - Original Message - From: Sue Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: Training a colt > This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >However, the combo of green horse, begining owner, " old worn out > >harness thats much too large for him, " while walking on ice, " > >tapping him on the rump to get him started " after admitting " he nor > >I knew what we were doing." is risking life, limb and me thinks > >that MAYBE we here are being taken for a little ride > > > I am certainly not taking anyone for a ride...as you so unkindly > suggested. True, I have not ever driven a horse nor do I personally > plan to...other than in the paddock. I did NOT have a complete harness > on him, only a back pad with girth strap and bridle with driving reins > attached. The only reason I drove him in the first place, is to get > him used to voice commands before being ridden and this groundwork was > suggested to me by others in this list. I may be a beginner in DRIVING > but I certainly am used to working around horses since we have had > them for 29 years. I must admit though, that this Fjord is different. > All the horses, colts including the other Fjord I had that was killed, > could be led easily by a few fingers through the halter, and believe > it or not I do know enough to let go and not allow my hand to get > caught . As far as him kicking me when I tapped on his rump, I have > been tapping that rump and rubbing him all over since I got him. It is > certainly nothing new for him! Further more, I was not driving him on > iceslippery snow yes, but not ice. If he had taken off, I would > simply have let go of the reins. He was in his paddock after all. > Storm was introduced to harness last spring at the breeders, as a > yearling. The breeder told me to take him home and drive him in loose > rigging, knowing full well that I was green at driving, but obviously > did not feel the colt was a threat to me. My husband, on the other > hand has driven ponies before...and he knew that Storm was not > dangerous. He is only a colt and a short one at that. He may be a > little bullheaded but he is certainly not mean. I am fully aware of > the danger of being kicked. It is always there no matter what horse. > > > the tarp thing is good, but never with a young horse in an enclosed > > stall. better a round pen. start with the tarp folded up to a small > > square. let him sniff it, gently rub the square all over him. > > First off, I had him in a large boxstall. I certainly did not start > out with this tarp. Ever since I bought Storm over a year ago, I have > worked with him to despook him. At first I took off my jacket in his > box stall...he spooked...I kept at it till no response. I then let him > smell the jacket, finally sliding it over his head, back, withers and > down his hind legs. Since then I have slid plastic garbage bags of > shavings over his whole body. I have saddled him and allowed the > straps to touch him everywhere. The tarp was the final test...he > passed with flying colours. My husband did not know all the stuff I > have done with Storm which is why he did not thin
Re: " Speaking words of wisdom, its not free...."
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I couldnt leave this oen either I saw Monty Roberts at a seminar in the Uk get a horse upto loose schooling and then riden under saddle in a half hour. I have also seen one of this pupils Richard maxwell work brilliantly at another seminar with unkown and quite dangerous horses. Im not interested in the hype or their backgrounds just what they acheive now. Richard retrained a very dangerous horse of a friends. sadly she sold it on where the next owners starved it:-( Tamara - Original Message - From: Starfire Farm, LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Re: " Speaking words of wisdom, its not free" > This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sorry, Lisa, I just couldn't leave this one alone! ;-) > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Ive taken courses from 2 out of 4. One, according to people who know him > > well, and live by him, knew his family for years is a LIAR, so dont give him > > my money. > > Have you read the book, "Horse Whispers and Lies?" Confirmed my suspicions from > the first time I saw Mr. Roberts in the BBC documentary. > > >Lisa Pedersen * who's last experience from a " whisperer " was a > > INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN ANIMAL COMMUNICATION EXPERT ( whew...thats hard to > > type one fingered ) who " spoke " to a horse I was holding, who told her that > > he didnt like the color blue, and that if she sang to him, old beatles songs, > > he would try and calm down. ( you decide, ) LP > > Ha! We're on to something here..the next clinic we offer should be "Horse > Whispering and Beyond!" Where not only the clinician, but all of the > participants get to take off their shirts (that is, if they're still on their > backs after paying the fee...) and pants, and underclothes. We'll really > get down to the basics of Animal Communication and Telepathy! > > Remember the Bill Cosby skit about the kid laying in the backyard and trying to > twitch flies off of his skin like a horse? THAT will be us! Really experiencing > things from the horse's point of view. Rolling in the sand..Looking at > something and then "Run away! Run away!" (a la Monty Python.) > > We'll brainstorm on some products that we can sell. How to book on making a > mental round pen. Sell it for $999.99. Have a first rate photographer take > beautiful, meaningful pictures, include sidebars with the wonderful poetry that > we've been posting to the list, then write a story about our exploration and sell > that for $99.99. We could make a CD Rom...Breyer modelsshoot a movie! > > I could go on and on, but have to get on with my "whispering" for the > day...;-) > > Beth > > > -- > Beth Beymer & Sandy North > Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO > http://www.starfirefarm.com > > > >
Re: Lutfisk
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Argghh I deleted all the posts on lutfisk as I assumed that it was some irrelevant food item. Now am I right in saying that you mean the humble english roll mop herrign and not some exotic 'foreign' dish? Tamara - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 3:07 AM Subject: Re: Lutfisk > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 12/27/00 8:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Merek are you saying pickled herring is British? Now I really think I am > losing my grip. Or maybe more??? Jean > >> > Not me, I just said I had placed a short article describing the contents and > origin of some of the quaint British foods in my AOL FTP area, for anyone > interested to download and read. Merek >
Re: Distance
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you. Yes your translations were correct boxing is loading into a trailer or a horse box ( lorry). Not doing either at the moment as we have had snow at last 3inches overnight so horse is stuck in stable. The snow is on top of sheet ice otherwise they would be out romping right now! regards Tamara - Original Message - From: Ralph Delgado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Distance > This message is from: "Ralph Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > dear tamara, welcome to the list! i love to read your messages and hear > about life in the u.k. "hacking" is trail riding here and i assume "boxing" > them up, is loading them into their trailer and taking them out on a trail > ride. cool lingo. happy trails to you and keep those posts coming. denise > in calif. > > > >From: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >so I can not hack him out locally on the roads - we box up to parkland for > >fittness training. > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >
Re: Bob Marshall treeless saddles--need info
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I dont have a fjord , but I do have a very wide backed welsh cob. I would be cautiouse of the sports saddle if as I suspect your fjord has a wide back. Mine caused me incredible hip pains if I rode for longer than 25 miles in it to the extent of my collapsing after 1 ride. I had my stirrups set 1/2 inch back and have been told that they should be left set forward for a wide horse. It suited my horse well though, and I have a friend with a sports saddle for her arab who loves it. We are both in the Uk but she bought her sports saddle of Geri Rini who was excellent and allowed her to trial the saddle whilst on holiday in the states. I belive she allows free trials to US purchasers. I bought mine of saddle Up ( karen Chattan ) and was very disapointed with her lack of after sales assistance. I now use a free and easy for my cob. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:10 AM Subject: Bob Marshall treeless saddles--need info > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Same question from me, and please do email privately! Anyone use the Bob > Marshall Circle Y treeless Sport Saddle? How do you like it and how does it > fit your FJORD? > > Brigid in CA >
Re: endurance Fjords / fjordhorse-digest V2000 #325
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Eike apologies for the delays due to christmas festivites ( my aching head!) Do you know if any stock by Boelja is in the UK? Well done for getting the Tyro award preumably with the EHPS? Its heartening to know it wasnt just my imagination saying that Fjords had an endurance history! over here all the books all publicity blurb leads one to belive that only Arabs can go a distance. My Welsh cob has done well and is not disimialir in build to a fjord horse. Now all I have to do is some frantic saving - not easy when you allr eady onw one horse! Hope you had a good christmas. regards Tamara - Original Message - From: Eike Schoen-Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: endurance Fjords / fjordhorse-digest V2000 #325 > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eike Schoen-Petersen) > > Hello Tamara and Nancy, > > the stallion you mentioned was Boelja by Albert Fichtel. He ran many thousand > miles in competitions in Europe, including a 1000 km ride from Hamburg(Germany) > to Budapest(Hungary). There also was a Fjord in the German team for the > European Long Distance Championship in 1999 in England, only the horse caught an > infection and couldn't start. It may be interesting for you to know that my > wife Susanne and I participated in several beginners rides in West Yorkshire and > Humberside with our grey Fjord stallion Odin when we were working in Leeds 1987. > We were proud to make it to a tyro award in our first competitive ride. We > were always amazed to find that he had an extra gait! We called it his turbo > trot, he would only offer it in competition and we passed quite a few cantering > cobs and warmbloods! In Germany there have consistently been a few fjords > successfully participating in competitive trail rides / endurance rides for the > last 20 years. > > Best wishes from Germany, > > Eike > >
Re: Distance
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi I started of this thread as a Newbie to the list. I am intereseted in a fjord in the next few years. Im a 'pony person' and currently compete in the UK on a Welsh Cob , we have completed upto 50 miles in a day and placed in 2 x 40 mile endurance race rides. I agree that heat dispersal is the biggest problem with a heavily built horse, bu tit can be overcome and of course with our current Uk weather its not such an issue! Having said that my cob came 11th out of 21 horses (mainly Arabs) and an Icelandic came I think 8th or 9th in the same race on the hottest day of the year with numerous Arabs out on metabolic or lameness problems so you never can tell! my main interest in fjords for rides is a. they are really attractive and b. they are said to be kind and not easily flappable. My welsh cob is lovely and has a home for life but is very fiery and spookey so I can not hack him out locally on the roads - we box up to parkland for fittness training. I would dearly love a pony that I can enjoy riding out on in a few eyears time! Tamara - Original Message - From: Dave McWethy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FjordList Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:17 AM Subject: Distance > This message is from: " Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Nancy made the distinction between competitive rides/drives and endurance. > I am not aware of any Fjords that have participated in endurance - could be > some, but I am unaware. > > Nancy wrote: . " I never met more people that really cared about > the condition and well being of their horses. They were people that put > A LOT of time in with their horse and would not compromise it's health" I > couldn't agree more. It is a great bunch of folks, and great horses too. > > A number of people have done the competitives in our area. Mostly their > horses have not been sufficiently fit to excel at it. In 1991 I borrowed > Modellen from Judy (Utheim) Wingerter, with the intention of competing him. > He had done some rides/drives, but was not fit enough. I started as tho > from scratch, and competed him two years. We did a lot of events. He was > the only Fjord to date to do the VT 3-day 100 mile event, and completed both > times. He was also the first stallion. > > What I found was that he had his limitation, and it was heat. Any heavy > bodied horse will recover more slowly, no matter how fit, compared to > something like an Arab, or a slab sided standardbred. Being able to compete > meant being careful and making extra efforts in cooling. If I had just > wanted to win, I would have chosen a different breed. I was there to show a > Fjord to his best results, and I feel that was accomplished. We got to the > point where we could expect to finish with scores in the 90's (of 100), but > it was tough to win on warm days. When we won it was when we had all day > rain, and in January. That was our kind of weather. > > I might mention also the time when Kim Keller borrowed him to do a ride - > his only one when I had him. She was a superb rider, but pretty heavy - > comfortably over 200 I am sure. Kim was an experienced hunter, but had > never done a competitive. She ended up second out of 48 finishers. No > question that Fjords can do well. > > The great side benefit of the fitness work for this sport is that you had a > horse you can do anything with. > > I would recommend it to all. If you were to do it with a Fjord, my > suggestion would be to put the work into a lightbodied horse who had had > good worming always. > > Having said that, I saw Lee Alexander and her horses this week. Her mare > Crystal Mint is a stocky Belgian-Arab cross weighing something like 1100 > pounds, that she's done huge miles with and done well. In addition to > driving, she has ridden the mare in 100 mile endurance races, including the > Race of Champions. There are always a lot of drops in that race, and she > finished. > >
endurance fjords
This message is from: "Tamara Jane Habberley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi I joined the list out of curisity, exepcting it to be relativly inactive - big mistake! Im based in the Uk and currently compete in long distance rides with an unexpectedly fiery welsh cob. I was smitten by a lovely fjord filly at the UK Equine Event in Novemeber. Did some research and read that a stallion Boja? in Germany used to compete in 100 mile rides. Does any one know of Fjords competeing /having competed in long distance. Im contemplating a second horse prefrably a youngters in about 2 years time to bring on as mine ages ( hes 11 now). I dont want an Arab, am not interested in race rides just competing over distances and infact would prefer something quiter than my present pony. Id be interested inother folks comments. Tamara
