Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: pattybronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mary Guess I forgot to say that yes, Billy is a confirmed cribber. He has worn the Miracle Collar non stop and quite often will crib right through that. I thought one of Dr. McDonnell's comments was interesting regarding tightening the collar (everyone is always telling me I need to tighten it and it is tight). According to her they had a number of asphyxiation cases from people thinking that due to the stretching leather or continued cribbing they needed to keep tightening. You also strongly recommended against something called the vice breaker. When her staff researched the product with the manufacturer it had never actually been used on horses but was recommended for cribbing and unruly stallion handling. Thanks, Patty
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- pattybronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: pattybronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] No he is definitely cribbing although they are all 4 legged termites. I should mention that due to an injury my now 10 month old filly has been stall bound since Nov. 28th. She started chewing but the anti chew seems to have curbed her appetite. I think you are probably right in assuming that there really isn't anything bad tasting enough to deter a confirmed cribber. I assume that most of the 'stop chewing' products on the market are aimed at stopping a 'chewer' when he first gets started - before he becomes a 'confimed chewer' or evolves into a cribber. I find that the young ones start tasting everything around about the same time they start shedding/cutting teeth. Since tooth shedding goes on into the fifth year (or is it later than that?) I always watched for signs of chewing and applied a 'chew deterent' as soon as I saw them. It seems to go in 'fits and spurts' as they cut the new teeth for that year and stop worrying things, then start up again when the next set starts to itch. My usual procedure was to start out with Ivory bar soap rubbed on 'tasted' spots - since, as you say, Anti Chew is sometimes hard to find - then I'd quickly go to the bitter stuff if soap was not working. I've found Bio Groom Anti Chew in a few horse supply catalogs - Valley Vet Supply, and Country Horse Supply are a couple of them. Hope it keeps working for your younger horses. Sounds like your gelding is a confirmed cribber already, so will probably always need a collar or some such device. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: pattybronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember hearing that cribbing and wind-sucking started as boredom things but evolved into an addiction. According to Dr. McDonnell and her research this is not true. According to her they have found that stereotypy behavior is not performed out of boredom. Horses in the wild have been observed with various stereotypy behaviors. Patty Paradise Acres
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/19/01 5:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One other thing that Dr. McDonnell said that I found interesting. According to research at New Bolton there isn't any data that proves cribbing can be learned from another horse nor that it's due to boredom. They found that most cribbers were early weaned. I remember hearing that cribbing and wind-sucking started as boredom things but evolved into an addiction. Cribbing and wind-sucking release endorphins. I've seen several horses go into trances as they wind-suck and startle out of them suddenly. One was a 17 hand TB. She would stand on the Xties sucking away and get so calm and quiet... and then when startled would bolt out the door, breaking the ties and her halter. Her owner finally sold her as she was becoming afraid of her. Kate in CT owned by Baldur the wonder fjord graduate B pony clubber MysticPonyClub egroups moderator ARIA certified riding instructor
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: pattybronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] No he is definitely cribbing although they are all 4 legged termites. I should mention that due to an injury my now 10 month old filly has been stall bound since Nov. 28th. She started chewing but the anti chew seems to have curbed her appetite. I can only assume that since Billy is a teenager gelding he has absolutely NO taste. My 14 year old will eat anything that resembles food, I'm starting to think Billy is the same. One other thing that Dr. McDonnell said that I found interesting. According to research at New Bolton there isn't any data that proves cribbing can be learned from another horse nor that it's due to boredom. They found that most cribbers were early weaned.
Re: Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is he CRIBBING?-- arching his neck and sucking wind? or just chewing wood? Thereew is a BIG difference! They can crib on metal, or on nothing, but chewing wood doesn't mean thay are cribbers! Jean in WARM Fairbanks, Alaska, +40 degrees in January! A footnote here: I was invited by my Vet to attend a lecture by Dr. Sue McDonnell of the University of Penn. She is a well known Equine Behavior specialist. In her lecture she discussed all the various stereotypy behavior. Of all the behaviors that they were able to eliminate by diet, cribbing was the only one they could NOT stop. Patty Paradise Acres Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bio Groom Anti Chew
This message is from: pattybronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] A comment on the above mentioned product. I searched and searched for this product as Billy the blonde cribs. The Miracle collar doesn't seem to stop it and this product was mentioned as a possible solution. I finally found Anti Chew, bought two bottles and quickly went home to apply on the chew areas in all three stalls but more importantly on Billy's ledge to his feeder door as that is his cribbing hang out. I removed his Miracle collar and stood back to observe. He walked up... sniffed... grunted (he's part Swine, I'm sure of it as he grunts at everything) and walked off. My heart swelled yes! finally an answer to the cribbing. Watched him off and on through out the day.. he didn't seem to be cribbing. That night I left his feeder door open (he never gets his left open). As I was nearing the barn in the morning I could hear that audible cribbing grunt. Snuck in and sure enough he was cribbing on the feeder door ledge. I assumed the nasty taste was off so I reapplied. He went flying out of his stall to the run at the smell. Yes! I loaded my filly to take to the vet and left. My neighbor guy showed up as I was returning with the filly. Unloaded her as we were talking Billy was cribbing again. I excused myself walked over and puddled the Anti chew on the ledge. Replaced the bottle on his blanket hanger and walked away. My neighbor was pointing and laughing I turned to see Billy run his lips across the edge then crib. I thought he had maybe soaked up my puddles by sticking his head out and rubbing his neck. I again reapplied the spray and stood back to watch. He took his tongue and licked along the edge then reached out grabbed the bottle of spray in his mouth and stood looking at me. I GIVE UP! A footnote here: I was invited by my Vet to attend a lecture by Dr. Sue McDonnell of the University of Penn. She is a well known Equine Behavior specialist. In her lecture she discussed all the various stereotypy behavior. Of all the behaviors that they were able to eliminate by diet, cribbing was the only one they could NOT stop. Patty Paradise Acres
