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This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have used hackamores, with great success, but not the bitless bridle. For more information on it got to www.bitlessbridle.com. Goodluck!!! Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Melinda Schumacher Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Lola Lahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a Dr Cook's on my fjord mare and on my arab gelding. They both love it and, especially in the case of the gelding, it is very calming. I have never found a bit for him that he doesn't chew to death, and the chewing seemed to increase his hyper-alertness on the trails. I do have an older arab gelding that absolutely hates it, so it really depends on the horse. On 1/27/07, Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have used hackamores, with great success, but not the bitless bridle. For more information on it got to www.bitlessbridle.com. Goodluck!!! Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Melinda Schumacher Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cooks bitless bridal has been a great find! I suggested it to a boarding client of mine after working with her Arabian for a long time trying to figure out what makes him toss his head and why I can't get his poll bent. I decided to start from the beginning and use a parelli bosal. He was comfortable and collected transitions were good blah blah blah. So we looked into the bitless bridle and found on ebay to try ( at 1/2 the price ). So far very happy with the results, but you got to make sure you have it adjusted correctly for your horse. It has been a God send for this horse. Roberta MN - Original Message - From: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: PARELLI,,, and many others This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. It was 30 degrees at my cabin in Knik this morning. Up from 5 degrees the day before. Amazing! Vic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:58 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: PARELLI,,, and many others This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] jerrell friz wrote: None of these trainers invented the wheel, although they talk like it. Horsemanship, has been around since the beginning of man and horse. What is natural horsemanship? Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. A couple of things have struck me, this time around. One is that every one of these people have been adamant that the rider/trainer must have an independent seat in order to be effective and to not damage the horse's mouth by the rider leaning on the reins for balance and support. The other is that most emphasize working with the horse as he is, a horse, and working with the nature of the horse. No forcing, with patience, and taking the time to help the horse understand what the rider/trainer is asking of it. This, in my opinion, is natural horsemanship. I'm not saying that everything they did was correct or beneficial. In fact, there was plenty of disagreement, at the time, with regard to who's methods were correct. Baucher's methods raised, perhaps, the most discussion and criticism (Steinbrecht cautions the reader over and over again that Baucher's methods are wrong and dangerous - and tells the reader why) yet, there are repeated familiar themes which we are still discussing and teaching today. Steinbrecht even describes what might be interpreted as a version of a one rein halt that could be used, only by a very skilled rider, under extreme circumstances, with a fractious young horse (in order to avoid being unseated). I recently picked up a translation of James Fillis (1834-1913) who was a student of Baucher, but who did not agree with all of Baucher's methods. In one section of his book, he describes work with the horse done at liberty (after teaching it to work around him and to come to him with use of a lunge-line) which sounds very much like asking a horse to hook on or join up or face up or whatever you want to call it. As for Parelli, a lot of the original work, in my opinion, is based on the exploitation (if you will) of the instincts of the horse that circus performers use in their training methods. These methods have been around for centuries. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. In the Parelli programs I have seen of late, there has been much more emphasis on the human's responsibility to learn about what the horse's behavoiral response to the human's request means. This, in my opinion, is much better than what I've seen in the past, which was people getting so involved in the Parelli Process, and in acheiving the required skills in order to climb the Level Ladder, that they were leaving the horses out of the equation. In my opinion, the marketing that goes along with the process is responsible for the I want to belong syndrome that would foster the Level Ladder goals, and not being with your horse in the moment. On another hand, one could look at the Parelli system as a method to bring horsemanship to the masses. As it is currently, it is de-mystifying (for some folks) the horse-human observation and relationship skills that were attributed to horse whisperers. Beth http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been spending bedtimes reading Sylvia Loch's The Classical Seat, and it pretty much says the same thing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? Maybe a piece of yard that takes up a loop in the rein, that would break with too much pressure? Or some kind of bell on a piece of elastic that would warn when there was too much pressure, or sudden pressure. So ...how is the blizzard going out there on the plains and foothills? Gail Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. A couple of things have struck me, this time around. One is that every one of these people have been adamant that the rider/trainer must have an independent seat in order to be effective and to not damage the horse's mouth by the rider leaning on the reins for balance and support. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just drop one or both reins for a second or two. The results will be revealing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] How did you get my email? do you have fjords as well? and do you do parrelli? Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Sarah Clarke Just drop one or both reins for a second or two. The results will be revealing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
