RE: Proper Vet Manners
This message is from: "melissa" I have had this happen with a farrier and daughters quarter horse who always stood fine if someone held... new boarding facility new farrier, they ruined him he pulled back and we were told dangerous horse... did not come on appointment date or call came 5 days late horse can not go beyond 6 weeks finally came and went to main barn and appointment was for 10am and he was not done until 3pm farrier did not even file after shoes... three weeks later and bigger bucks barefoot farrier came in pulled shoes gave a little ace for two trimmings got out toe cracks due to roll not being done well enough as we had requested now he stand fine as long as it in not under tree where blow up happened... original farrier 3 guys one closing of nostrils one pinching neck without release and tied over head now he had been tied over head for years but not for farrier and no farrier had had forge going in front of his nose straightening tools for 20 minutes either. If you do not like the treatment do not put up with it change or you could end up like we did with an almost train wreck Another note we do not use the vet the main barn uses due to her missing diagnosis of strangles twice not coming for allergic reaction and not available for emergency colic...also diagnosis a fever prior to vaccination on a 102 degree day with high humidity and horse in stall until 1pm when appointment was for 9am but she went to the full care barn instead. Pattern with those who do main barn for uswill always use our own and check them out Have found barefoot trimmer and another farrier that is great and have found 4 vets we definitely prefer and they are al cheaper and pass on multiply horse rates. Melissa in TX Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Proper Vet Manners...
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com While I agree with the "get a new vet" concept, I have been in a situation before where that was not an option, unless you wanted to do all of your veterinary care yourself! That may actually be an option when it comes to shots. As long as they are intramuscular, it's not too hard, but I would not tackle the ones that need to go in a vein. Most vaccinations, I think, are into the muscle so you actually might be able to do this. The other option is to try and desensitize your horse to shots - in case the association is the shot and not the vet. Or to pay your vet for some calls which are spent only having good times (grooming, snacking, gentle positive work) with the horse to realign that connection between vet/handler and bad times. Kate with Joe, Della and Hana (who usually stand untied for whatever the vet wants to do) **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377005x1201454319/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Proper Vet Manners...
This message is from: "Shawna K-B." I won't mention what I think that behavior is, because I'm pretty sure that our list owner would block me for language. You are supposed to trust you Vet. Your vet has to work on trusting you and not punishing your horses because of something someone else did. You and your animals deserve a vet that works with you. Anyone who actually pays attention to horse should know that a one-size-fits-all approach to horses is not going to work. Try calling you vet and asking for her to call you at a time that is reasonable for her to talk to you for a while. This treatment of your horses is unacceptable. What's more, her reason for treating all horses this way is going to backfire. These are thousand + pound animals with minds of there own. There is nothing on this Earth that a human is going to do to hold a horse that does not want to be held. I've heard stories from the older farm folks around here that include horses busting through stall and trailer walls, climbing 10' stall walls, and blowing through just about any line or fence made when frightened enough. That doesn't count the nastier stories I've heard of the ones that try fight instead of flight. Your Vet's handler is setting her up to be attacked. It's just a matter of time and the right horse. Try expressing your concern for her well being and where you see thing is going for her in the long run. Also try suggesting a different handler. If she won't listen, I would strongly suggesting going on the great Vet hunt, before you need to sedate your horse for his annual shots. As an aside that is funny in an ironic way, I can see an escalation here as her handler's methods upset more horses... One handler going to two handlers, then horses needing to be sedated for their shots so they'll be quiet, then, well... Pictures of a trank gun are trailing into my mind. I'd say in short, but I already blew that. The problem isn't your horse. It's you're vet's mindset. Best of luck, Shawna "Yesterday, the Vet and handler immediately put a chain over my horse's nose, pushed him up against the back wall of his stall, and went right for his rump. Â I thought my horse's eyes were going to jump out of his head. Â (I had visions of a "B" movie drug bust.) Â BIG protest on my part. Â I was told that the handler was there to keep my Vet safe and was just doing her job." Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Proper Vet Manners
This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" >From: "Big Horn Forge Daniel Nauman" >Subject: Proper Vet Manners (a little long, but I need your help) >I need your help ! Toni, You need a NEW vet. Sorry, this is the most frustrating vet story I've heard in a while. I understand the assistants are there for helping the vet, but most vets don't use them at all. Better yet, learn how to give your own shots - have a helpful friend or 4-Her come and help show you and do them yourself - it is E-A-S-Y! You'll $ave money and your horse trusts you already. YOU are the one paying the bills - YOU decide what happens to you and your horses. If you had a rude, rough nurse, would you tolerate it? Nah ...well, neither is your horse. A fun side story to vets and shots... Last year I had the vet out to float some teeth and while he was here I had him give the West Nile vaccines (I didn't buy those...long story), and the first horse I went to put a rope around her neck as I knew the response since I do our vaccines. "No, no, no. Put that halter on!" was his response. Fine, I put the halter on, he gives the shot, the horse doesn't do ANYTHING. He was shocked - do you know how weird that is to have a vet speechless? Second horse, I put the halter on and same response. Now my vet is thinking there must be something different about these guys. Third horse, I got to put the rope around the neck, again, same response. So the 4th horse in the paddock (did I mention, they were all standing in the same paddock together loose?), he walks up and pokes her in the neck. OK, she flinched and stepped back, but she had no idea it was coming either. He left saying that this was his new favorite farm. He has a new appreciation for our wonderful Fjordies. Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm Bothell, WA (425) 402-6781 www.willowsedgefarm.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4080 (20090515) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Proper Vet Manners (a little long, but I need your help)
This message is from: "jgayle" Whew, it is the Vet and she is hard headed, and feels strength and pain only, control. Can you give the shots or is that against the "law", while she is there? Jean Gayle who has given many shots!!! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Proper Vet Manners (a little long, but I need your help)
This message is from: Martie Bolinski We have experienced similar problems with our Fjord and our new vet. She does not have a handler, but is quite brusque and rather heavy handed compared to our old, slow but sure vet. Kilar was upset when he saw the shots. He was obviously tense and tried to move away. The old vet would have waited a few seconds, talked to him and snuck up on him while cupping his one hand behind the eye so he couldn't see the shot coming. Always worked. Eventually, when she couldn't get him to stand, I put my own hand behind his eye, cupped a little bit and the shots went smoothly. He is a big sissy about his shots, but doesn't mean to cause trouble - he IS however, very very strong once he decides there will be 'pain'. As for the Coggins - don't even want to go there. He got stuck 6 times before she was able to draw blood (had to shave his furry neck) and he was very jumpy. He used to be so good for the old vet. I'm afraid that every future visit from this gal will be a fight now. Like you, switching vets is not an option. She is the only vet who is accepting new clients in our area. Martie in MD >I truly believe that the shots are not the issue. The handling is so rough >and scares my horse so much, that pretty soon, no one will be able to get near >him with a needle. I have used this Vet for 18 years, and have not had these >problems in the past. Switching Vets is not really an option because of where >I live. I really want to retain this Vet, and mend any problems. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Proper Vet Manners
This message is from: Emily Wigley On May 15, 2009, at 1:29 PM, fjordhorse-digest wrote: If anyone has any experience or advice for me on what I can do from a training point of view, or a Vet's point of view, I would love to hear it.  I have decided to work with the horse and talk to my Vet about working with me when she comes to give the boosters.  I'm hoping we can cooperate with each other for everyone's benefit.  If my needs are ignored, I will have to find a different Vet.  But, there aren't many available, and I don't want to go from one problem to another. I would get another vet. If I don't like the way my horse is being handled and I feel that I can do a better job to keep everyone safe (and happy), then I either step in or end it right there. Now having said that, I'm a professional, and while I am not a vet and don't play one on tv ;-) I do know how to handle most, and certainly my horses. I especially am concerned for the above situation because the horse is obviously in fear of the rough handling. Go elsewhere, and explain to the next vet what you've experienced. You don't have to name names (although s/he will probably know who you had trouble with), just explain what you didn't like and why, and ask if you can please handle the horse for the vet. Frustrating, to say the least. Sort of like, but different, when my vet arrived last year to vaccinate a dozen horses on the farm and didn't have all the vaccines he needed... even though he knew how many and what we were scheduled to do... at least he didn't charge me for the next trip out, but it was really annoying to get them all ready and then only do half, and then do it again ten days later! Best of luck, Emily P.S. The manners in your subject line are your vet's, not your horse's, who obviously has good sense and good manners when handled politely! Emily Wigley Fish Bowl Farm Vashon Island, Washington (206) 463-5473 http://www.fishbowlfarm.com http://biscuitsfarmblog.blogspot.com/ ewig...@mindspring.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f