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This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Thurman wrote: I'm curious as to why you are selling Asa - just too many horses? Or was she 'born with a for sale sign on her nose'? Mary Hi Mary, She was born with the for sale sign but we go back and forth on selling her. If we do sell her we need to find a home that has less of a certain fly that causes her to allergically react. We keep her in the barn during the day and let her out at night. Or we could sell her to someone who would board her here where she can stay inside during the day. We are still trying to find a cure for what some people call sweet itch. Mark
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite true. We actually have one other Yellow Dun here now. Here is the pedigree: LSI HALSTON LSI-L-1218-S Foaled April 28, 1998 Bred by LORI WASHUTA RICHARD BUTTS, LEWISTON, NY So there must be some of that 'genetics' going on in the Dutch bred Fjords as well. Good. It would be a pity to have some of the more rare colors die out for lack of appropriate genes in the general population. Here is the other one we have as a Yellow Dun: ANVIL'S SALOMON C-1194 AA-G-1108-G Foaled April 29, 1993 Bred by ORVILLE ANITA UNRAU, ROCK CREEK, BC CAN So Sal is officially a yellow dun. He certainly does look like one, but I've never seen him 'in person' to look for black hairs. What about Walter(Anvil's Solvaktig), did they find black hairs in his mane or tail? Can't remember whether we ever got an answer back on the List on that one. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, It shows up on mine as Irredescent green also. I view it on Netscape. Website address: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/mariposa/Fjords4sale2.html I use EUDORA e-mail program and my e-mail is downloaded and saved in Eudora..The server can't delete it. I like this program, it is uncomplicated, easy to work with and you have control of your messages, not AOL. No, I don't get the fancy HTML formatted e-mails. That must come as an attachment. But it sure saves a lot of headaches. Also (knock on wood) I haven't had any virus problems with this program. I highly recommend it! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska. Zero F degrees with 25 degrees warmer in the hills! On my screen it shows up irridescent green - but then maybe it's just MY screen. Anybody else? We are trying an AOL hookup for a while - jury is still out on it - since our old server is getting so full we can never get a connection any more. Also - please send me the website address again, as my AOL program deletes my stuff on a regular basis and I'm always losing the things I wanted to keep. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:34 AM 12/29/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] There just isn't much info out there on the 'rare' colors, unfortunately. Also very little info on how they occur genetically. All we really seem to know is that some horses have the genetics for red dun, and IF those red dun genes meet up with the proper 'cremello' genes - which rarely happens - you can get a yellow dun(dilute of red dun). Mary, Have you read the article by Dr Spoonenburg on the NFHR web site yet? It is about the best I have seen on Fjord coat colors. Go to www.nfhr.com and click on the News Events, then click on Articles. It is in 2 parts and you will need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader to view it. For some reason Line seems to carry all of the needed genes, and apparently the stallion Bjutind did too. They seem to have passed all that on to Faksi, who passes it on recessively to some of her offspring. Line has also passed the cremello(white) gene on to a few of her daughters - Stella and Anvil's Lyna. Both have produced white duns when bred to the 'right' stallion. Her grand-daughter Anvil's Stina seems to also have a goodly amount of cremello genes. The only two horses in NA that 'could be' yellows are her offspring. Not quite true. We actually have one other Yellow Dun here now. Here is the pedigree: LSI HALSTON LSI-L-1218-S Foaled April 28, 1998 Bred by LORI WASHUTA RICHARD BUTTS, LEWISTON, NY HEINO G-F(He)78 HOLUNDER H-I43 G-N-077-S LEILA G-F(He)H537 HOLIVAR LS-F-400-S B.Premie SOLAR N-1849 H-I40 N-Q-103-S 2.pr p V NORFINN FARM'S LIV H-G381 FRE-Z-200-M 2.pr model YVONNE H-Y129 H-R-147-M model GJESTARSON 102-A KING GJESTAR 126-A GB-O-208-S SEVERINA 2007-A FREYJA MDM-Z-398-M II kl.Model GORM 129-A LIVINDA 2091-A DRUA N-11955 Don't know if a decision has ever officially been made on either of them yet. Here is the other one we have as a Yellow Dun: ANVIL'S SALOMON C-1194 AA-G-1108-G Foaled April 29, 1993 Bred by ORVILLE ANITA UNRAU, ROCK CREEK, BC CAN ROSSAR N-1809 1.pr BJORKAR N-1871 3.pr BJORKA N-13941 1.pr LEIDJO N-1945 C-370 Sl. JOLSTRA GRAEN N-1780 2.pr GRAMOY N-14176 2.pr RUNA N-12516 1.pr 1.avk.pr FREIDIG N-1723 2.pr RUDAREN N-1853 C-74 211-A Kara SOLVI N-13215 2.pr ANVIL'S STINA C-275 BJUTIND N-1697 2.pr STELLA II N-14138 C-120 N-Q-515-M Gkj LINE N-13475 C-108 N-K-160-M 2.pr Looks like Anvil's Edel passed on at least the red dun genes. Now all you need is a stallion with cremello genes..And there it gets sticky, very sticky. Personally, I prefer to breed for 'body and brain' characteristics and let the colors fall where they may. Breeding specifically for a color can sure lead to other problems - even the Norwegians have made that mistake in the past! Absolutely. Breeding for color is not usually a good idea unless you have really good conformation to go along with it. Mike
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] But she is really light colored. I don't think she is a white dun... there is no black hairs on her at all. Bingo! I really do wish that people would stop referring to white Fjords with no black as white duns - they are white horses, period. No black, no dun! So, where does that leave Adel, with scattered BLACK hairs in her mane and tail? (Anvil's Adel, out of Anvil's Stina, Line's granddaughter) She has a creamy white body, but gold or light tan on her face and legs, gold eyes and those scattered black hairs in mane and tail! Do those black hair make her Ullsblak? She doesn't have that gold or yellow cast to her body color that Faksi and Myrfaks have. I haven't yet registered her with NFHR,(she's registered CFHA) I suppose Mike will want to call her a Yellow! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +12 F and we want snow! Please send us snow to play in, we are 20 inches BELOW our normal amount! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:20 AM 12/27/00 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure how I did it but it worked. I added the hypothetical breeding pedigree generator html from the NFHR site to my web site and I now have the clickable pedigree right on my for sale pages. Very cool. I hope this is O.K., Mike? It's a great marketing tool if it is. Here is a link to one of the pages. All I need to do is add text and pictures of the horse for sale. I will have to take a look at it first Mark. I am away right now for the holidays and don't have a very good connection to the net here. Now we just need everyone to upload pictures of their horses for the pedigree program. I hope you have better luck than I did with getting that done! ;-) Mike
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary, I sent him both Faksi and Myrfaks Nordgard. Did you notice that Line is on both sides of Asa's Pedigree? Mark, I will send you a picture of a yellow dun in Norway. Jean, Is that the picture of Faksi? I also have a picture of Myrfaks Nordgard taken at the Hestesenter last year, if anyone would like a copy. I think Curt Pierce took it. Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mary, No it's green. Lori Alborough wrote to me and said that she looked at the html and it says green for the color but on my computer the html says blue. I'll figure it out. Hi Mark, So maybe the inverse is also true, and what says 'green' on your html is actually 'blue'! Who knows about all this cyber-stuff? We registered Asa as a red dun because she has a faint stawberry blondish tint to her main and tail. Then she IS a red dun, definitely. Yellow duns seem to have almost pure white manes and tails - at least Faksi and her grandson Myrfaks Nordgard do, and they are the only yellow duns I've ever seen pictures of. Oda Muench-Bronc says she saw another one - a gelding - at a small celebration in Norway in '99, but I wonder if she actually just saw Myrfaks taking part in a celebration and didn't realize it was him. The Norwegians claim they only have two yellows in their Registry - so that would be Faksi and Myrfaks, I assume. But she is really light colored. I don't think she is a white dun... there is no black hairs on her at all. Bingo! I really do wish that people would stop referring to white Fjords with no black as white duns - they are white horses, period. No black, no dun! That's why the Norwegians refer to what we call 'white dun' as ullsblak(wool colored), and have a separate word - kvit - for the all-white Fjords. We really need to do the same over here, but for some reason we do not make that distinction here in NA. Confusing for novices. As far as a yellow dun, I also don't think so. But I have read only a little info on yellows. There just isn't much info out there on the 'rare' colors, unfortunately. Also very little info on how they occur genetically. All we really seem to know is that some horses have the genetics for red dun, and IF those red dun genes meet up with the proper 'cremello' genes - which rarely happens - you can get a yellow dun(dilute of red dun). For some reason Line seems to carry all of the needed genes, and apparently the stallion Bjutind did too. They seem to have passed all that on to Faksi, who passes it on recessively to some of her offspring. Line has also passed the cremello(white) gene on to a few of her daughters - Stella and Anvil's Lyna. Both have produced white duns when bred to the 'right' stallion. Her grand-daughter Anvil's Stina seems to also have a goodly amount of cremello genes. The only two horses in NA that 'could be' yellows are her offspring. Don't know if a decision has ever officially been made on either of them yet. Looks like Anvil's Edel passed on at least the red dun genes. Now all you need is a stallion with cremello genes..And there it gets sticky, very sticky. Personally, I prefer to breed for 'body and brain' characteristics and let the colors fall where they may. Breeding specifically for a color can sure lead to other problems - even the Norwegians have made that mistake in the past! We did get a kick out of the fact that Asa and Alida are out of Line too. I think Asa is the only 'double Line' Fjord I have ever run across - no wonder she is so light colored! Line is REALLY getting white now - except for a small amount of reddish on her lower face. I think the pigment in her hair is all dying off as she ages. In the summer she is so white when the sun is on her that she gives Fred's light meter and professional camera absolute fits. He has to 'tweek' things to get a picture with enough depth to be good. When she was younger she was definitely 'wool colored' - slightly creamy instead of white(like a 'white' sheep). I love the fact that Line is a long lived horse! So do I! We've had her since she was 16 - people asked me why I bought such an 'old' horse. They didn't realize that Fjords are just in their prime when other breeds are beginning to wear out and show age ;). She gave us some lovely foals - and doubtless could have had a few more - but I retired her at 23 because it was becoming a real drain on her to carry, bear, and nurse a foal. She would be 'bones' after the foals were weaned, so we'd give her a year off to regain her shape before breeding her again. The last one - Katya - was weaned at three and a half months and put on Foal Lac pellets. Didn't seem to hurt her any. I'm curious as to why you are selling Asa - just too many horses? Or was she 'born with a for sale sign on her nose'? I found that was the only way I could bear to part with ours - if I said before they were born this one will be for sale, then I was less attached to it from the beginning. Selling Flikke was one of the hardest things I ever did, as she was 'my' horse - raised to replace Line. When Line is gone, I'd love to have Flikke back, but I doubt they will part with her - they really love her right now. Also doubt I could afford her, as she is in her
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jean Jean Ernest wrote: Mark, I will send you a picture of a yellow dun in Norway. Jean, Is that the picture of Faksi? I also have a picture of Myrfaks Nordgard taken at the Hestesenter last year, if anyone would like a copy. I think Curt Pierce took it. Mark = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jean Jean Ernest wrote: Mark, I will send you a picture of a yellow dun in Norway. Jean in Fairbanks, AK
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just opened this and it is now dark blue on a white background. Very readable! Mark, I will send you a picture of a yellow dun in Norway. Jean in Fairbanks, AK No it's green. Lori Alborough wrote to me and said that she looked at the html and it says green for the color but on my computer the html says blue. I'll figure it out. We registered Asa as a red dun because she has a faint stawberry blondish tint to her main and tail. But she is really light colored. I don't think she is a white dun... there is no black hairs on her at all. As far as a yellow dun, I also don't think so. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mary, No it's green. Lori Alborough wrote to me and said that she looked at the html and it says green for the color but on my computer the html says blue. I'll figure it out. We registered Asa as a red dun because she has a faint stawberry blondish tint to her main and tail. But she is really light colored. I don't think she is a white dun... there is no black hairs on her at all. As far as a yellow dun, I also don't think so. But I have read only a little info on yellows. We did get a kick out of the fact that Asa and Alida are out of Line too. Small world. It is scary about all the colics going around. I love the fact that Line is a long lived horse! Mark Mary Thurman wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm working on the colors... it shows up green even though it says blue?? Mark, On my screen it shows up irridescent green - but then maybe it's just MY screen. Anybody else? We are trying an AOL hookup for a while - jury is still out on it - since our old server is getting so full we can never get a connection any more. Also - please send me the website address again, as my AOL program deletes my stuff on a regular basis and I'm always losing the things I wanted to keep. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Thurman wrote: Also - please send me the website address again, as my AOL program deletes my stuff on a regular basis and I'm always losing the things I wanted to keep. Mary Sorry http://www.mariposafarm.com
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm working on the colors... it shows up green even though it says blue?? Mark, On my screen it shows up irridescent green - but then maybe it's just MY screen. Anybody else? We are trying an AOL hookup for a while - jury is still out on it - since our old server is getting so full we can never get a connection any more. Also - please send me the website address again, as my AOL program deletes my stuff on a regular basis and I'm always losing the things I wanted to keep. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm working on the colors... it shows up green even though it says blue?? Mark Mary Thurman wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have the clickable pedigree right on my for sale pages. Very cool. I hope this is O.K., Mike? It's a great marketing tool if it is. Here is a link to one of the pages. Mark, This looks great butcould the text maybe be some color other than flourescent green? It's pretty hard to read the pedigree in that color, at least on my computer. What a great idea. Saves the 'shopper' from having to write down the horse's name and then access the NFHR pedigree pages to check the pedigree. Anything that makes fewer steps for the 'shopper' helps them make a decision more quickly ;). Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have the clickable pedigree right on my for sale pages. Very cool. I hope this is O.K., Mike? It's a great marketing tool if it is. Here is a link to one of the pages. Mark, This looks great butcould the text maybe be some color other than flourescent green? It's pretty hard to read the pedigree in that color, at least on my computer. What a great idea. Saves the 'shopper' from having to write down the horse's name and then access the NFHR pedigree pages to check the pedigree. Anything that makes fewer steps for the 'shopper' helps them make a decision more quickly ;). Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
