Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re West Nile, the two cases were "thought to be". Hope you are correct re the Dakotas. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have been monitoring the west nile virus. According to everyone that we have talked to about this, the virus has come west as far as the Dakotas. We will innoculate for the virus next year, but not til then. -- OE & Pat Wilson UFF DA Fjords Hyde Park, Utah > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 7/22/2002 11:02:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I am most concerned re West Nile fever as it has been found in several > > places in Eastern Wa. so far and the vaccine has not as yet been proven or > > available here. A concentration of birds is not good. We also have many > > mosquitoes here from the slough below me. My horses are more important to > > me than the uninvited > > Whoa! I had not heard that it got this far west. Last I heard was Texas. > I'll be rethinking my vaccination plan if this is true. Don't blame you for > getting rid of your flock. > > Pamela
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/22/2002 11:02:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am most concerned re West Nile fever as it has been found in several > places in Eastern Wa. so far and the vaccine has not as yet been proven or > available here. A concentration of birds is not good. We also have many > mosquitoes here from the slough below me. My horses are more important to > me than the uninvited Whoa! I had not heard that it got this far west. Last I heard was Texas. I'll be rethinking my vaccination plan if this is true. Don't blame you for getting rid of your flock. Pamela
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brigid I was a hunter in my youth and killed many deer, fox, hunted with the gentry and loved it. Then I came back to America and happened to go to our old park to see the bison. Also saw the deer and wondered how I could have killed one. Big guilt trip. Now for all the "I can not kill anything" out there. I have a 60x100 (old days this was big) arena being torn to pieces and dangerous droppings and dead birds lying around. The horses use it for run in. I keep the footing cleaned and graded about every three weeks. It is a valuable piece of property and there is not another place to put up a run in for the horses. These are uninvited,messy, thankless and impolite guests. What do we do with people who will not leave? We call the police after many attempts to get them to leave. About $1800 spent here trying to be polite. Now I am calling in the 'police" who will leave at least a year's worth of fear in the area. One or two birds may not make it but the rest will leave like rockets. One falcon, the sight of or smell of or sound of is all it takes. I am most concerned re West Nile fever as it has been found in several places in Eastern Wa. so far and the vaccine has not as yet been proven or available here. A concentration of birds is not good. We also have many mosquitoes here from the slough below me. My horses are more important to me than the uninvited Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean- Ah, STARLINGS. Non native, not protected! I have a Starling story -- can relate. One Sunday I spent the entire afternoon detailing my car. It was beautiful! Proud of myself, I drove to the local deli for a sandwich (you can see where this is going). Stepped out of the store to the sound of CHEER, CHEER and the sight of my car covered with poop. On the wire above were about a hundred starlings. Ugh. I spent five years at a wildlife rehab center, and we handled lots of "nuisance wildlife" calls similar to yours. In a nutshell, killing the nuisance animals is an ineffective way of controlling them. NOT trying to be a humaniac here, just realistic. As long as your property is inviting to wildlife, they will live there. You can get rid of every last bird in your barn, and next week a new flock will move in. Reason is, animals (especially those classified as "nuisances" with large populations) are always in need of new territory. The current inhabitants are keeping the others away with territorial songs, displays, whatever. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";> Fjordings West / )__~ /L /L
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brigid, I have starlings, flickers (they do the most damage in the winter) and bats. There may be a sparrow in there. I dread killing them but they are tearing the roof out and the mess from their poop is fouling the footing and is dangerous to the rolling horses. I have exhausted other ways of getting rid of them. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean- You said Barn Swallows, then Sparrows. Big difference! Swallows, I think, are protected, so killing them is not a good idea. Sparrows on the other hand are quite common. I'll take them any day -- our barn is full of chicken-sized PIGEONS. We need an owl for sure. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";> Fjordings West / )__~ /L /L
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Taffy I hope you mean it. I live just six miles east of Aberdeen Washington.. Towns around here are, Aberdeen, Hoquiam, Ocean Shores, Westport, Raymond, South Bend, Montesano, Elma, McCleary etc. Hope to hear from you. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies/Barn Sparrows/Falconer
This message is from: The Mercers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, I'm a licensed falconer. Where are you located? I'll put you in touch with a falconer in your area and I'm sure someone will be more than happy to rid you of your sparrow problem. Taffy Mercer Jean Gayle wrote: > > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Glad for you folks who think a barn swallow in the barn helps the fly > situation. Unfortunately as I do not ride anymore the birds have taken over > and are destroying my indoor arena despite great efforts to stop them. They > are like mice and will find the smallest opening. Have been looking for a > falconer or someone who owns an owl One pair of birds came in and a > bat. Then every descendent began coming back. It is close to chaos now not > to mention smell and mess. So watch those barn sparrows. Jean > > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Glad for you folks who think a barn swallow in the barn helps the fly situation. Unfortunately as I do not ride anymore the birds have taken over and are destroying my indoor arena despite great efforts to stop them. They are like mice and will find the smallest opening. Have been looking for a falconer or someone who owns an owl One pair of birds came in and a bat. Then every descendent began coming back. It is close to chaos now not to mention smell and mess. So watch those barn sparrows. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Linda, for the fly info. "Supposedly a cold front will arrive this evening"! A cold front is 80?? It must be really hot country there. We call a cold front at this time in the 50's. Our temps are staying around the 70s. Comfortable for all esp flies. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Flies
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are using the predator flies this year - and have barn swallows who are working on their second family of the year:) They successfully hatched 5 earlier. Flies - seem to be better around the "human" areas. Horses? Not sure they think anything has changed - the last few years we used the Equi-fly feed additive. I think the predators do a better job. Packed up and ready to give baths to Lena and Hasse - then, off to Blue Earth and supposedly a cool front will arrive this evening and we will have temps in the low 80' and hopefully LESS humidity!!! More when we return:) Linda in MN
Re: Flies
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, We get ours from Arbico in Tucson, AZ. Their website is www.arbico.com We've started using the wasps in April and I've noticed a significant reduction in flies compared with last year. I attribute it to both the wasps, which we spread in the pastures and in the paddocks outside the barn, and also to having a pair of barn swallows take up residence in the barn. The swallows eat lot's of insects, which they catch in the air. Mike Michael and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Would some one give me the address for those fly killer wasps? Somehow > managed to lose mine. Jean
Re: flies in ears
This message is from: "Bill/Liz/Katy/Charlie/Arne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gnat Away -- I forget who makes it -- it's a cream, works really well. I've also used Roll-On by Farnam, although it's rather oily, and I'm not sure it helps heal ears that are already cut up by gnats...hmm katy and jon
Re: Flies and wasps
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:29 AM 2/28/2002 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Gail my information on the wasps said not to scatter them until they begin >hatching in the tube. Right...and escaping all over the living room. :) > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flies and wasps
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail my information on the wasps said not to scatter them until they begin hatching in the tube. Then I would shake a small amount around the fields in the manure areas. This was also suggested as they do not seem to spread well or the birds get them. The birds also get the eggs if you spread too early. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Flies and wasps >This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >There is no question in my mind that they work. I get mine from the Source, >which claims to have a better mix of wasps (at least for California) than >the competition. Farriers notice the difference. > >The trick is in the hatching. I have always dreaded going out to find the >place to put them where it would be moist enough, yet warm enough, yet >protected from ant colonies. Recently my farrier told me what his family >does. They prop up two bales of hay to form a little low-roofed tent. Then >the moisten the hay periodically and deposit the parasite eggs on the ground >underneath the bales. If you think about it, you are trying to simulate an >incubatorwarm, moist, protected from the sun and predators. >Gail Russell >Forestville CA >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flies and wasps
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There is no question in my mind that they work. I get mine from the Source, which claims to have a better mix of wasps (at least for California) than the competition. Farriers notice the difference. The trick is in the hatching. I have always dreaded going out to find the place to put them where it would be moist enough, yet warm enough, yet protected from ant colonies. Recently my farrier told me what his family does. They prop up two bales of hay to form a little low-roofed tent. Then the moisten the hay periodically and deposit the parasite eggs on the ground underneath the bales. If you think about it, you are trying to simulate an incubatorwarm, moist, protected from the sun and predators. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flies and wasps
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They DO work! I nticed the flies were down a good 75%. Combined with bited traps here and there, it made the fly season bearable. Like Jean mentioned, do pay attention to temps. we ordered themby phone, and the lab we got them from was very good about shipping at the right time. Kmac Original Message Follows From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Re: Flies and wasps Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:18:30 -0800 This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike and Cindy, I have used the wasps. Troubles were putting them out too early and the frost would kill them off or just cold weather. Trying to wait while the poor little things were hatching out and it was too early to put them out and they would die in the tube. Or they were shipped too early. Other than that how do you know if its helping or it is just a lesser fly year. Frankly I do think they helped and I always made sure the neighbors saw me spending my good money to keep the flies down so they could not complain. They were purchased from Spaulding Laboratories who might be on line. Also I believe Farnam sells them in their catalogue. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: Michael Bickman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse-digest Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Flies and wasps >This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I remember reading about using a species of very small wasps to help control >flies and would like to hear the experiences of list members who have tried >this. If this has been successful for you, I'd also like to know the source >of your wasps. > >We have a fly control system in our barn, which works OK, but the wasps >sounded appealing, and if they really work we might try them this year. > >Mike (who is thinking forward to summer, even tho we just had our first >snowfall dusting of the winter this morning) > >Mike and Cindy Bickman >Stepping Stone Farm >Canton, Georgia _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Re: Flies and wasps
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They DO work! I noticed the flies were down a good 75%. Combined with baited (stinky) traps here and there, it made the fly season bearable. Like Jean mentioned, do pay attention to temps. We ordered them by phone, and the lab we got them from was very good about shipping at the right time. Kmac Original Message Follows From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Re: Flies and wasps Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:18:30 -0800 This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike and Cindy, I have used the wasps. Troubles were putting them out too early and the frost would kill them off or just cold weather. Trying to wait while the poor little things were hatching out and it was too early to put them out and they would die in the tube. Or they were shipped too early. Other than that how do you know if its helping or it is just a lesser fly year. Frankly I do think they helped and I always made sure the neighbors saw me spending my good money to keep the flies down so they could not complain. They were purchased from Spaulding Laboratories who might be on line. Also I believe Farnam sells them in their catalogue. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: Michael Bickman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse-digest Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Flies and wasps >This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I remember reading about using a species of very small wasps to help control >flies and would like to hear the experiences of list members who have tried >this. If this has been successful for you, I'd also like to know the source >of your wasps. > >We have a fly control system in our barn, which works OK, but the wasps >sounded appealing, and if they really work we might try them this year. > >Mike (who is thinking forward to summer, even tho we just had our first >snowfall dusting of the winter this morning) > >Mike and Cindy Bickman >Stepping Stone Farm >Canton, Georgia _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: Flies and wasps
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike and Cindy, I have used the wasps. Troubles were putting them out too early and the frost would kill them off or just cold weather. Trying to wait while the poor little things were hatching out and it was too early to put them out and they would die in the tube. Or they were shipped too early. Other than that how do you know if its helping or it is just a lesser fly year. Frankly I do think they helped and I always made sure the neighbors saw me spending my good money to keep the flies down so they could not complain. They were purchased from Spaulding Laboratories who might be on line. Also I believe Farnam sells them in their catalogue. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: Michael Bickman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse-digest Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Flies and wasps >This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I remember reading about using a species of very small wasps to help control >flies and would like to hear the experiences of list members who have tried >this. If this has been successful for you, I'd also like to know the source >of your wasps. > >We have a fly control system in our barn, which works OK, but the wasps >sounded appealing, and if they really work we might try them this year. > >Mike (who is thinking forward to summer, even tho we just had our first >snowfall dusting of the winter this morning) > >Mike and Cindy Bickman >Stepping Stone Farm >Canton, Georgia
Re: Flies
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cheryl is there any chance these may be the tiny "wasp" flies that feed off other flies? If so you would want them. Do they get on the horse? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Cheryl Beillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Flies >This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello list .. here's a mundane question for you all .. what are those little >tiny flies I am seeing along the edge of my brand new, clean stall (new >mats, new shavings) .. baby flies? midgets? They look like tiny
Re: Flies
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello list .. here's a mundane question for you all .. what are those little tiny flies I am seeing along the edge of my brand new, clean stall (new mats, new shavings) .. baby flies? midgets? They look like tiny house or cluster flies (we get the latter all over the outside of the barns in the fall, when winter's approaching and they look for places to hibernate). I moved my mare to a new stall on the w/e (she's the only horse in my three stall barn, at the moment), because I decided to put down mats (they're wonderful) .. and I wanted her old stall to dry out -not good drainage, despite what the builder said about not needing drains! I noticed there was this thick 6" band of minute flies all along the bottem edge of the old stall .. then they migrated to my spiffy new stall, clean mats, new shavings, etc. I haven't seen this in other barns I've had .. flying flies, yes .. massed flies along the floor, no. So, do I spray to kill them? She was wormed at the beginning of May, and then again, last week. My mare is using her stall as a run in, during the day to escape the big flies outside .. so although I'm cleaning the stall regularly, it is getting some use but it's not fly haven.. I can't believe how fast those things appeared and how many there are. We have had a really bad year for deer and horse flies .. so maybe this is another indication of a bumper crop? by the way, something I learned last year from a teamster who drove Belgians, if you tuck cedar branches into the nooks and crannies all along the upper edge of your stalls and along the beams, you virtually eliminate those heavy cobwebs (and presumably big spiders .. although with the fly situation, one wants to have a few - preferably agile but little ones - around) .. his barn was incredibly clean and nice smelling .. You have to cut the cedar boughs/sprigs when they have seeds, which make them the most aromatic, I guess. It looks sort of festive.
