Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:27 AM 10/6/99 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Anita Unrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cameron Pedri that owns Anvil's Salamon and had him showing at the Turlock show in Sept. was here yesterday to see Sal's sire and dam and siblings. She said that Sal was registered in the US as a yellow dun instead of white dun like we had him registered in Canada. Maybe Mike May can clarify the white body color being called yellow dun. Sure can. According to what I have read a White Dun has a black or grey stripe in the mane. The Yellow Dun has a yellowish or barely discernable stripe in the mane. Here is a clip from the descriptions I use: Uls (White) Dun Uls dun (ulsblakk) is a variety of the brown dun color caused by a factor which reduces the production of pigment, so-called diluted color. The color of the body is almost white or yellowish-white. Midtstol, dorsal stripe and halefjaer are black or grey. Mane and tail has a lighter shade than the body. Yellow Dun Yellow dun (gulblakk) is the rarest of the Fjordhorse Colors. It is a variety of red dun caused by the same factor as mentioned under uls dun. The color of the body is yellowish-white. Midtstol, dorsal stripe and halefjaer are darker yellowish than the color of the body. Forelock, mane and tail can be completely white, and on such individuals the dorsal stripe can be indistinct. I still am confused over the proper names for the white body colors. Take a look here for color descriptions: http://www.nfhr.com/Colors.htm As far as I know Modellan is the only white stallion breeding in N. America. Since Modellen is now deceased I don't know of any White Dun stallions that are breeding in North America any longer. I have a couple listed as stallions but they have not had stallion breeding reports filed for several years so I suspect that they are probably geldings. Eric and Judy Uthiem had also brought over one or two white mares. They must have had some white foals that are out there somewhere. Sorry to ramble on for so long but I really do like the White Duns. Yes they had LIN. She had several White Dun foals. Not sure who the other white dun they imported was. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Me too! I really like the contrast of the white (wool) colored body, with the dark stripe in the mane and tail. On the other hand, i have always been attracted to a white horse in general, so I suppose I would like the type without the dark color in the mane and tail as well! Anita; your white duns are beautiful! Thank you for sharing the photos again. I have learned a lot from my original post! Sarah -- From: Anita Unrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: White Dun Fjords Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 10:27 PM Sorry to ramble on for so long but I really do like the White Duns. Anita Unrau Anvil's Acres Norwegian Fjord Horses.
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Anita Unrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found the comments about white Duns made by Sarah very interesting. Not sure if anyone else other than ourselves are raising the white ones but they sure have not been hard to sell. Over the years and the two hundred plus foals we have raised since 1973 the only color we have had a hard time selling is the red duns. Have always had to drop their price down to sell them where as the white ones are always our higher priced Fjords. Another interesting thing about the color is the different body types and personalities that seem to go with each color. When we were in Norway in October 1981 buying mares we had a hard time finding mares that were of equal or better quality then what we had at home. As we could not find enough brown duns Orville finally let me get the white dun mother and daughter mares that we had come across. They had the size, conformation and most important the disposition that we were looking for in breeding mares. Line, now owned by Mary Thurman, had a filly on her when we looked at her. It was a color we had never seen before. Gold body color and white mane and tail. Looked just like a palamino. All the foals we had seen up to then had been an off white with various shades of brown or grey. Never before or since have we seen the gold color. The Norwegians told us it was a rare yellow dun. Stella now owned by Jean Ernest, was the other white dun we brought over. Both mares had brown dun sires and been bred to brown stallions. Line had white dun twins in the spring of 1982 and the filly was born dead and the colt lived for three months. Stella was open but we had bought her anyway. Before selling Rusten to Chip Lamb in the early 80's we bred both Line and Stella to Rusty and they both had brown dun foals. Bred to Rudaren, who we imported from Norway in March of 1981, Line had brown duns as well as a red dun filly with a white strip. Her birth is another interesting story. We still have a daughter of Line and Rudy called Anvil's Lyna. Stella, bred to Rudaren, had brown duns as well as a white filly that we keep and named Anvil's Stina, the mother to Jean's Anvil's Adel. Stina has been bred to Leidjo all but one year when we bred her to Orrjo and the result was a brown dun filly that was sold to California. The Leidjo babies have been white's except for Anvil's Rebekka that is one of our darkest mares. Stina has produced two different types of whites. The ones with black in the mane and tail are smaller and squarer built and the ones without the black are taller and leggier. Cameron Pedri that owns Anvil's Salamon and had him showing at the Turlock show in Sept. was here yesterday to see Sal's sire and dam and siblings. She said that Sal was registered in the US as a yellow dun instead of white dun like we had him registered in Canada. Maybe Mike May can clarify the white body color being called yellow dun. I still am confused over the proper names for the white body colors. As far as I know Modellan is the only white stallion breeding in N. America. Eric and Judy Uthiem had also brought over one or two white mares. They must have had some white foals that are out there somewhere. Sorry to ramble on for so long but I really do like the White Duns. Anita Unrau Anvil's Acres Norwegian Fjord Horses.
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sarah- At Skandifest last weekend, I was treated to the sight of 30 or so brown dun Fjords, as well as (I think) 2 reds, a white, a grey, and a blonde. The different colors are striking, but I think what draws many people, including myself, to the breed is the primitive brown dun color. Brigid in CA
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Lori for putting all the colors on your page! This is the best illustration of the colors I've seen yet! Great to have all five together, and a good one of Faksi. I will direct anybody asking about colors to this page! Sarah, as you probably know, there IS one downside to these beautiful light colors: How do you ever keep them looking clean? Right now all my Fjords are muddy, but the two white/yellow duns look like (heaven forbid) appaloosas! It's been really messy here, with snow, then rain, melt and slop, the surface of the corrals melt, to mud, freezes ovcernight then thaws. They all roll and look awful, bu the brown duns don't show it as much! I think I'll be glad when it gets all covered with snow that sticks, then I can brush them all and they'll stay clean! Jean and four fuzzy/ muddy Fjords in Fairbanks, Alaska, will be 45 degrees again , with rain likely. You can read about the colors of the Fjordhorse and see some examples at this site: http://www.bluebirdlane.com/colour.html I thought I'd let you know I've added some pictures to the colours page: one of the yellow dun mare Faksi, and a couple of all five colours of the Fjordhorse standing together. Lori Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Ernest wrote: You can read about the colors of the Fjordhorse and see some examples at this site: http://www.bluebirdlane.com/colour.html I thought I'd let you know I've added some pictures to the colours page: one of the yellow dun mare Faksi, and a couple of all five colours of the Fjordhorse standing together. Lori
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:31 PM 10/4/99 +0800, you wrote: This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to know how many people out there have white dun Fjords? I have heard that this is somewhat of an undesireable color and they aren't in demand as much as the more common color of brown dun. I'm just curious to know why? Is it mostly because people identify with the brown dun color as the way a Fjord should look? Not true at all Sarah. In fact I would say it is the other way around. Since they are somewhat rare I would think that would make them more desirable if anything. i just looked and we only have 38 white duns registered. Of them 3 are deceased. That is out of 2,600 horses registered. I was reading in the summer issue of the Fjord Herald about grey genetics. It mentioned that there are many different kinds of grey duns. Two or three hundred kinds in fact. What is meant by kinds? Shades? I just read what you are talking about and it is rather confusing but I think it is saying that your chances of having a grey are 1 out of 2 - 3 hundred. Not that there are 2-3 hundred different kinds of them. It goes on to say that your chances improve to about 1 - 16 if you breed grey to grey. If anyone has any online photos of grey dun, white dun, or yellow dun Fjords, I would very much like to see them! I quite an enthusiast for coat colors in horses of all breeds, and I would like to see more examples of these unusual and beautiful coat colors! Thank you very much, Here is a link to a page with coat colors on it: http://www.nfhr.com/Colors.htm On this page you will find a 2 part article on coat colors by D. Phillip Sponenberg, DVM, PhD. http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Documents Hope these help. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: White Dun Fjords
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sarah, I have the white dun mare Stella, imported from Norway and her white/yellow dun granddaughter Anvil's Adel. I haven't heard that the white dun was an undesireable color...at one time in the history of the fjordhorse it was very much in favor! In the years l857-79 48 percent of the Fjord registered in Norway were white or Uls dun. However, since the breeders at that time din't understand genetics, they bred white dun to white dun and often got the albino or all white foals with pink skin and blue eyes which ARE undesirable. This can occur when two white duns are bred together. Therefore the ulsdun (white dun) became less popular. Yopu can read about the colors of the Fjordhorse and see some examples at this site: http://www.bluebirdlane.com/colour.html I will also send you some pictures privately. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 45 degrees and sunshine today , At 10:31 PM 10/4/1999 +0800, you wrote: This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to know how many people out there have white dun Fjords? I have heard that this is somewhat of an undesireable color and they aren't in demand as much as the more common color of brown dun. I'm just curious to know why? Is it mostly because people identify with the brown dun color as the way a Fjord should look? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
