Re: fjords and fences

2007-11-20 Thread Liz Rudy
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I am finding all the posts on fjords and fencing very
interesting. My fjord (Torsten) will move bolted
together livestock panels to get out. He also
dismantles post/rail fences with easy. I have seen him
put his head over a rail fence and pull the top board
off with his head/neck. He usually removes the middle
board too.  :-) The good news is that we discovered he
is terrified of electricity, so he can now be securely
confined with any type of fencing as long as it has an
active hot wire. 

   Liz


  

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Re: fjords and fences, etc.

2007-11-20 Thread epona1971
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Hi Everyone-



Just had to chime in on the containment discussion, as it's always been an 
issue for my Fjords :-).

The very first place I boarded, in Woodside, the Fjords were in a large paddock 
with redwood fencing. It took them about ten minutes to figure out how to break 
the boards, get out and graze. They were on a very large property with 
knee-high grass, wild oats, etc. so the temptation was just too great. Each 
evening when I arrived, I'd find them in a different location on the property. 
Understandably, the ranch manager was pretty upset, and threatened to put 
hotwire on their paddock. I agreed that that was best, but she never did it, 
and for that and other reasons I left within a month. 

The next facility was in Half Moon Bay, and that worked out well for a long 
time. The ranch owners were lifetime horse and cattle people, both mellow and 
savvy. The boys lived in a pasture which had pretty much cattle fencing (T 
posts, wire, etc.) but was fully hotwired, even across the gate. The never 
tested the fence and all was well. When the family retired and moved away, the 
property was purchased by some city slickers who, among other things, took down 
all the hot wire because they thought it was cruel. Needless to say, the Fjords 
were soon running rampant on the property and the new owners were upset. I 
tried to reason with them, didn't work, I left.

>From there I went to a stable in San Bruno, a nice little self care facility. 
>The Fjords had a stall/paddock which I hotwired myself just to avoid the 
>inevitable. We were only there a few months, waiting for an opening in a 
>pasture.

When the pasture spot opened up, we moved to San Jose. Some of the pasture was 
reasonably fenced (cyclone fence) but most of it was T-posts and barbed wire. 
This was okay for a while, but soon the Fjords found a weak spot where the wire 
was quite low and were letting themselves out regularly. The neighbor called 
the ranch manager and said, "If those yellow ponies come into my hay barn one 
more time I'm calling animal control!" The ranch manager was very reasonable; 
she knew the fencing was inadequate, but it had never been a problem for the 
non-Fjords. She ordered a large quantity of Horse Guard electric tape, and it 
was sitting in boxes in the barn all ready to be installed the next day when my 
Fjord Tommes got out, fell in a sink hole, and died. Suddenly the Fjords' 
difficult containment was not just annoying/amusing, it was tragic. 

My next facility was in Castro Valley, and the pasture there was 80 acres. The 
Fjords never even found the fence, so it was not an issue. I stayed there until 
I had the opportunity to live and work on the ranch in Pacifica. 

The owner of the Pacifica facility decided to use pipe panels for fencing, 
which is great, but they don't hold up very well when they are just sitting on 
top of the ground. The Fjords, along with their buddies, a Friesian and a 
Percheron, would all lean on the fence at once and down it would go. They 
gained a lot of weight eating grass that year!

>From there I moved to Hayward. I knew the ranch owner was savvy when the first 
>thing he asked me was, "Do they knock down fences?" "That would be yes," I 
>replied. The did well in a pipe panel paddock, although they managed to bend 
>the pipes on the longer panels and actually pop some of the welds on the 
>shorter ones! Fortunately, the patient ranch owner is an instructor at a 
>vocational school, so his students got to practice their welding on the 
>damaged fencing...

Now I am in South San Jose on a lovely property with the couple who owns it. 
Before bringing my Fjords here, we discussed fencing numerous times, and I 
stressed the need for hotwire in the redwood paddock they would be occupying. 
Months went by and the hotwire never went up, so I went ahead and moved my boys 
here. It wasn't a week before my landlord opened his front door in the morning 
to let the dogs out, and there were the Fjords on the front lawn. The next day 
they strung the hotwire, but only around part of the paddock, and it only 
worked for a few days before shorting out. The next week, one of their horses, 
a very nasty mare, kicked the boards of their paddock in half. Fortunately, 
they knew better than to go into her area, and they stayed put despite the lack 
of fence. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I came home that day and 
saw the paddock. My landlady had removed the two splintered bottom boards, and 
the Fjords were contained only by the one board on the !
 top. As she is saying, "They'll be fine like that," Knute sees me and starts 
to duck under the board to come out. They keep saying, "Our horses would never 
do that," but their horses are not Fjords...

Brigid Wasson
SF Bay Area, CA
www.eponahorsemanship.com 





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Re: fjords and fences, etc.

2007-11-20 Thread KateSeidel
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On the subject of fencing:  my gelding "Little Joe" will go through  any 
fence we have thrown at him so far, if there is a speck of grass on the  other 
side.  This week, he actually grabbed hold of a loose fence board,  and backed 
up 
with it to pop it off the posts.  Still waiting for the barn  manager to 
install some electric fencing in an effort to save his fences from  total 
destruction.  I suspect it is the only thing that will stop  him.  Della, my 
pretty 
little mare, does not really seem to care and will  stand and watch Joe leave 
the pasture after breaking down a fence, and stay in  the pasture.
 
On the subject of Fjords and other horses: Mine have never met a horse they  
weren't willing to cozy up to.  When the rest of the horses at a parade we  
went too panicked at the site of two mini mules, Joe went right up for a closer 
 
look.  But they are very much "regular" horses in terms of responding to  
more or less dominant horses - they'll back off for the tough guys and not  
hesitate to push around the weaker ones.  Well, Della is pretty  sweet.  I am 
not 
sure I have ever seen her put her ears back and move  someone around.  There is 
one quarter horse at our barn who does not like  the fjords at all.  I 
thought it was just Joe, but when Della came this  girl took the same attitude 
towards her.  I don't think I've ever really  noticed other horses panicking at 
the 
site of a fjord.
 
On the subject of keeping Fjords with regulars:  In terms of fun and  
companionship, mine love to be with other horses.  The feed is a big  problem - 
mine 
get nothing but hay, and the other horses get feed as well.   Depending on who 
they are pastured with, we either have to lock mine up at  feeding time or 
keep them with more dominant feeders.  Right now it is just  my two and a third 
horse who is definitely king of the mountain and can be fed  his grain (they 
eat in open stalls) without the fjords fighting him for  it.  Up against less 
dominant horses Joe will drive them away and take  their food unless someone is 
locked up.  Hay is a problem that I continue  to struggle with.
 
Kate



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