Re: only foal comments

2002-01-31 Thread Michele Bigelow
This message is from: "Michele Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

We've had two foals, and I started ponying them on short trail
rides...leading up to longer ones, as soon as they respected the halter and
leading.  I continued to do this until it was time for riding.

I have a very special memory of my first foal (a B&W Paint), at the PtHA
Futurity Show.  My goal was to show the foal in the futurity (as well as
give him experience at a show, trailing, staying over in strange places...),
and maybe do a dressage test with my mare.   The foal was 5 months old and
not weaned yet.  I was warming up in the ring, ponying him as usual, and
didn't the little bugger decide that this nice soft sandy ring was a great
place to lay down for a roll.   practically took me out of the saddle, my
trainer was hysterically laughing, as well as the small following of people
we attracted.  A freelance photographer got a few great shots of us..the
three of us had fun (me the mare and foal) that weekend.



>> > When you went on trail rides - do I understand that you just let the
colt
> > walk along with his mom/rider??  How long did you do this?  Sounds like
> such
> > fun and great experience for the little one:)   At what point did you
> begin
> > ponying?






Re: only foal comments (longwinded beware!)

2002-01-31 Thread Sarah Nagel
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> When you went on trail rides - do I understand that you just let the colt
> walk along with his mom/rider??  How long did you do this?  Sounds like
such
> fun and great experience for the little one:)   At what point did you
begin
> ponying?
>
> I am full of questions :)   With such good information and advice I am
really
> getting excited!!
>
> Linda in MN
>
>
Hi Linda ... yes, I was fortunate, because where I lived at the time, was at
the very end of a lightly travelled road, leading to some very wide open
spaces.   You would never want to take a foal out loose where there is
traffic or other hazards.

The first few rides were when  Kasey (the foal) was about 3-4 weeks old.
They were short, in fact, the very first ride was just on my property.  And
of course, Kasey stuck close to his mother's side.   As we ventured further
each time, always on the road during the daytime, leading out to the open
fields, Kasey became more adventurous.  He would often stop to look at or to
knicker to horses behind a fenceline  one word from Ori and he came back
to her side immediately.   There was no problem for the first 2 weeks or so
with him staying very close to Ori's side.I took him out frequently,
with a halter on him and a spare lead rope in my saddle bag or around my
saddle horn just in case I needed it for some reason.  I also had the
company of a friend riding another horse to help in case I needed it.

Depending on the mother's attitude ... in my case, Ori is an older (18)
mare, seen it all and done it all kinda horse, so she's very calm under
almost all circumstances.  (I found llamas make her a little nuts  lol)
The foal picks up on the mother's attitude very much.   If the mare is calm
(and she will be alot more attentive with a foal by her side and more likely
to react to things ... keep that in mind), then the foal will be calm.In
our case, Kasey was able to experience things, a car passing slowly,
irrigation ditches, barking dogs, flying birds, etc ... and he would look,
but because his mother was calm, so was he.

One ride, on the way home, it became apparent it was time for the lead rope
and ponying ... as Kasey was rambuncious (the first rides would of course
tire him and he would walk calmly home next to Mom) ... but this day, he was
full of himself, and was too far away for either Ori or I to be very happy
about it.  Probably only about 50 feet, but we were uncomfortable.   He also
just looked at us when Ori would call to him, toss his head and saunter in
the other direction with his tail up and out  prancing because he was
such bigstuff.   He laughed at me when I called him.   Well.

Mandy Noonan was riding with me, thankfully, and as I kept Ori heading home
(no problem, she's always more than willing to walk quickly home   lol), her
ears turned back to Kasey and she kept callling him.  Mandy rode back and
turned him back towards home and "followed" him as he rejoined us.Mandy
stayed behind Kasey, he followed Ori, although not next to her side as
usual.

I then taught him how to pony by hooking him with halter and lead to Ori.
Had her saddled and tied the lead rope with a quick release knot to the
saddle horn.   Then I led her around my property.He of course went where
she went, quickly learning it was no use to either lag behind her, nor to
move up around her head. We did this a few days, then I rode Ori, while
ponying Kasey off her, keeping the lead short enough that he couldn't come
around front of her.   When he would do that, I would have to pull him back,
next to her side.   Or turn her until he was alongside again, telling him
'good boy'.  With some time and patience, he was ready to take on trail
rides again, but always being ponied until we were off the road.   It didn't
take long.

Soon, we went to Chips, and joined Jenny Sanders and others for rides.
Kasey would be ponied until we were off the road and out in the woods, then
he was allowed his freedom again.  He experienced deer, a moose crossing in
front of us and we think, a bear moving through the bushes once too.
Again, he took his lead from the mares in the group.  Jennie's horse Serena
and her foal, also were doing the same.   Kasey would often, when he was
loose, try and mount a mare, or act up.   He would be kicked or nipped ...
He was full of himself.He enjoyed the rides, could keep up with the
group and I feel it was great experience for him.

By the time we were at Noonan's for a few months (I spent the summer
playing!)  We were taking out larger groups of mares and foals, so they were
all learning to pony off their moms.   For some reason, Ori was no longer
disciplining Kasey ... he would come around in front of her often and jump
on her neck.  Well,  ponying him off another mare did the trick.  Gracie or
Lara would take care of him by nipping anytime he came up past their
shoulder.  

Re: only foal comments

2002-01-30 Thread Mary Thurman
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--- Sarah Nagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This message is from: "Sarah Nagel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Thank you Mary for this post.  How true and well
> said ... on everything.
> We had our first foal last year ... an only foal at
> the time.   But for the
> first two weeks, he spent time with his mom, Orianna
> (he was her 10th foal)
> and she taught him well.

Hi Sarah,

Ah, yes, Ori - the quintessential Fjord mamma!  Such a
great mother/teacher for her babies.  Give her a pat
for us, please.  

 When Ori was
> taken back to Chip Lamb's early in the summer for
> breeding, Kasey was
> further disciplined by Chips' mares and he was full
> of spit and vinegar, but
> the girls all let him know what was allowed and what
> was not.

Those mares are quite a bunch.  Our Line spent a
summer or two among them, as well.  Chip used to team
her up with Lise for driving while she was there.  We
never did send her there with a foal at foot - pretty
long trip for a foal from out here - but we did bring
a weanling back with her one fall.  The two of them
bonded on the trip home, and it was 'separation
anxiety' all over again when we unloaded them ;)!
 
We will continue to let
> him be a little horse, working on his ground manners
> and enjoying life!

Well said - this truly is the key to a happy, well
developed horse.  Let them be babies for a while.  So
many people push their Fjords to 'grow up'.  They are
young for a long time.  At two they are really not
mentally ready for what people 'put on' other breeds
of horse at the same age.  At three their attention
span(and their bodies) are beginning to be ready - but
there is still LOTS of growing/filling out/maturing
going on.  Two of our Fjords were trained with the
able help of a friend who trains horses to ride.  He
found that they were not mentally ready for a lot of
the stuff he throws at his usual trainees(QH, Appys,
Arabs), even at three. They were not 'dumb' - just
young and immature mentally(short attention spans,
etc.). By taking it slow and tailoring the program to
them we were able to work them into very well mannered
horses who knew the 'basics' well by the time they
were 'coming five'.  Both have gone on into the Pony
Club world - as hunter/jumpers.  They transferred
their learning quite easily from Western to English
riding.  But they sure were 'youngsters' for a LONG
time.  An aside here: we usually did not keep our
young stock beyond their second year.  These were the
first two Fjords we raised from babies to adults -
except for a couple of mares, which we really did not
do a lot of 'formal' training with.  We had heard that
Fjords stay 'young' longer - now we believe it for
sure.  BUT the patience pays off in a great horse.

It's hard to just 'let them be horses' while they are
growing up, but it's worth it.  In my case, I had the
mares to mess with while the babies grew up, which
made it easier to wait for those last two to grow up
enough to ride.

Mary
 

=
Mary Thurman
Raintree Farms
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Re: only foal comments

2002-01-30 Thread HorseLotti
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Sarah,

When you went on trail rides - do I understand that you just let the colt 
walk along with his mom/rider??  How long did you do this?  Sounds like such 
fun and great experience for the little one:)   At what point did you begin 
ponying?  

I am full of questions :)   With such good information and advice I am really 
getting excited!!

Linda in MN