Re: over-selection apples and eval oranges

2005-08-08 Thread Warren Stockwell
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

- Original Message - 
From: "Tamara Rousso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: over-selection apples and eval oranges


.  I'm jumping into
> the fray which means no matter what I say you (Ruthie) will have an
> extremely well thought out, sharp tongued response intended to make me
> look stupid.

I've seen no sharp tounged comments so far just well thought out food for
thought. So I think your safe : ))



  I have not heard anyone say that the purpose
> of evaluating those stallions is to limit the gene pool.  Instead I am
> hearing them say it is to improve a breeders' tools for selection.
> Now, now I already hear you saying that people will only pick the one
> that scores the highest thereby limiting the gene pool.  If that is
> true than what you have proven is that the breeders are stupid.

Is It possiable that people will be blinded by the score or color of ribbion
and not look closely at the qualities that their breeding stock throws, the
stallion throws, or what they are trying to produce?? Are the breeders of
Fjords all as smart as the ones you have here on the list, currently
breeding, how bout in the future???

 there is an inherent
> difference in breeding dogs and horses.  Especially when it comes to
> "show" dogs.  Let me explain.  The gene pool for certain breeds of show
> dogs became decreased because the breeders are going for one attribute
> only - looks.  In looking at other true working breeds such as hunting
> dogs I think you will find a larger, healthier gene pool.

That depends on the breed your talking about, there are lines/breeds  that
are going down hill. I use to refer people to a breeder of hunting dogs but
no more.

Roberta





Re: over-selection apples and eval oranges

2005-08-07 Thread Jean Ernest
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Wow!
  I furiously typed a reply to Ruthie when I first read her post, then 
added stuff, subtracted stuff, sat on it and still have not sent it.  But I 
must thank  both Tamara Rousso and Teresa Kandianis for your calm 
and  excellent posts!  Yes,  the North American evaluations are designed to 
prevent overselection... not to institutionalize it.  And Yes, it is 
comparing over-selection apples to the evaluation oranges.Great posts, 
both of you!  Now let's just all cool down and get off this subject..and I 
am going to delete my unsent reply. (Or maybe I should save it to see how 
stupid it sounds tomorrow.)

Jean in cloudy Fairbanks, Alaska, the smoke has blown away for the 
moment.  65 degrees


At 05:47 PM 8/7/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Somebody stop me.  Pleeaassse.  Nope isn't happening.  I'm jumping into 
>the fray which means no matter what I say you (Ruthie) will have an 
>extremely well thought out, sharp tongued response intended to make me 
>look stupid.  I say save your breath- I do a fine job on my own.
>Besides I am now donning my cyber anti-flaming armor of the most highly 
>developed technology.   (bugle please)  Charge
>
>Here is the way I see it - you are comparing over-selection apples to the 
>evaluation oranges.  I have not heard anyone say that the purpose of 
>evaluating those stallions is to limit the gene pool.  Instead I am 
>hearing them say it is to improve a breeders' tools for selection.