Re: Sarcoid Treatment
This message is from: Eric Kozowski I had good luck with Xxterra (http://www.vetlineequine.com/xxterra.html) on a TB with a large sarcoid on his ear. I followed the vet's directions, and it didn't look like it was doing anything by the end of the treatment, but eventually the sarcoid started falling off in pieces. Within six months, you couldn't tell there had been a sarcoid there. The hair grew back and it looks completely normal. On 1/26/2011 8:19 AM, Karen McCarthy wrote: Steve thanks for posting that interesting information. The only thing that had worked for one of my horse with a big nasty sarcoid over one eye was the topical application of Exterra (sp?) ointment,(after trying the awful Regressin injections) but I think it was very painful for him. Looks like this is a much longer course of treatment, but causes less discomfort. -- "You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse." - Charles M. Russell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Sarcoid Treatment
This message is from: Debbie LeBreton hello and I am sorry for using your email but I am grasping for answer for my old horse. He has brown or light colour water coming out of his bum. My vet thinks that it is oylser but he has been on the medication for over 7 days and no change. I have been thinking of putting him down but if there is hope out there for him, I will try it. He is 27 or that is what I have been told. He looks much younger. He still plays and runs and bucks up a storm. He has a little goat as a friend and he still chases him around when he is feeling frisky (which is every second day). Even with this problem. PLEASE TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS. Debbie > From: weeg...@hotmail.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: RE: Sarcoid Treatment > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:19:45 + > > This message is from: Karen McCarthy > > > Steve thanks for posting that interesting information. > The only thing that had worked for one of my horse with a big nasty sarcoid > over one eye was the topical application of Exterra (sp?) ointment,(after > trying the awful Regressin injections) but I think it was very painful for > him. Looks like this is a much longer course of treatment, but causes less > discomfort. > I always knew there was some other useful purpose for mistletoe than Christmas > kissing! When I lived in Calaveras County in Calif. Mistletoe was very common > and plentiful, growing in the oak trees. > Karen in Oregon > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:51:26 -0600 > > From: st...@carriagehorse.com > > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > Subject: Sarcoid Treatment > > > > This message is from: st...@carriagehorse.com > > > > > > After having the experience of trying a number of unsuccessful > > treatments for a sarcoid in the saddle area on my late Anglo-trakehner > > mare, I found this article interesting: > > http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=17568 > > > > -- > > Steve > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Sarcoid Treatment
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Steve thanks for posting that interesting information. The only thing that had worked for one of my horse with a big nasty sarcoid over one eye was the topical application of Exterra (sp?) ointment,(after trying the awful Regressin injections) but I think it was very painful for him. Looks like this is a much longer course of treatment, but causes less discomfort. I always knew there was some other useful purpose for mistletoe than Christmas kissing! When I lived in Calaveras County in Calif. Mistletoe was very common and plentiful, growing in the oak trees. Karen in Oregon > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:51:26 -0600 > From: st...@carriagehorse.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Sarcoid Treatment > > This message is from: st...@carriagehorse.com > > > After having the experience of trying a number of unsuccessful > treatments for a sarcoid in the saddle area on my late Anglo-trakehner > mare, I found this article interesting: > http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=17568 > > -- > Steve > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: sarcoid suggestion
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thuja is for warts, probably not powerful enough for sarcoids. Blood Root, also called Black Salve, is for sarcoids. Jen On 7/30/08, Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > She's currently using thuja (a homeopathic) on it, and it's gone > through the blistering miserable stage, and I don't think it's doing > anything else. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: sarcoid suggestion
This message is from: Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Gina, for the sarcoid treatment suggestion! I have a boarding client whose little pinto mare has a good sized one at the top of one neck side. She's currently using thuja (a homeopathic) on it, and it's gone through the blistering miserable stage, and I don't think it's doing anything else. I'll pass this helpful experience along! Thank you, Emily Emily Wigley Fish Bowl Farm Vashon Island, Wa www.fishbowlfarm.com ...and Nils, Biscuit (Lite Jenta) and Britta, the Fjords The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: Sarcoid suggestions
This message is from: "Cynthia Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting topic on use of the black salve or bloodroot. This is what I am using a form of to treat my Giant Schnauzer's fibrosarcoma. We are using an oral form with two sets of injections to treat it after most of it was surgically removed. There is a list devoted to using bloodroot (black salve) to treat cancer in animals. The good news is that it appears to be working in Brie's situation - at least the prognosis is good. Anyone interested in reading more about blood root to treat cancer should look in my signature line to go to Brie's Diary & Blog. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NFHR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:/www.nfhr.com http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 Brie's Diary & Blog - http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011/Brie_Diary.html Dogs (and horses, cm) are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. -Roger Caras The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: sarcoid suggestion
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The herb Blood Root is excellent at targeting abnormal cells (i.e. sarcoids and other tumors, warts, etc.) before it will attack normal cells. So it is great at getting rid of Sarcoids. But, after using it to slough the sarcoid off, you will have an open wound on your horse that you need to manage carefully so as not to get any secondary infections. When the wound heals, there may be scar tissue that looks bald. But, that's better than a sarcoid! And yes, to have Blood Root work effectively, the bloodroot should be applied only to the sarcoid, and then covered with a salve to keep it moist. Jen On 7/30/08, jgayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Gina, did you cover the sarcoid after applying meds? And how or what > did you use? A friend has a mini here who was treated by the Vet for a large > sarcoid under her chin and now she has bare spots on her face. Jean Gayle > > > > > > Author of: > 'The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 > Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press > 7403 Blaine Rd > Aberdeen, WA 98520 > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gail thanks for responding. Yes we talked about the various ways but because of the location and size the Vet thought this was the way to go. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen and Jean Now I am stuck as to whether to try the herbal route as these are big and we want to be sure to get them. When the inflammation subsides we can see if these shots worked. Then make the next decision. Thanks Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Steve, thanks for your interest. This horse of mine is very sensitive and has been through quite a bit recently. Aged 19 and Thoroughbred/trakehner at 17 2+ hands I discovered a sticky bunch of stuff in his groin when my Vet was here. He said he thought it was a sarcoid and in a bad place. He broke off a piece that looked, backside like a small peeled onion. He said there were several and one was "quite large." The biopsy confirmed sarcoid. He felt the most successful treatment to date was the regressin, plus it is in such a tender spot. It is in a place you do not check normally. He gave multiple shots directly into the growths last Thurs and Charlie has been in a great deal of pain since with also swollen sheath and edema along the belly. I asked him to come out this afternoon and he said the area was inflamed but no infection. He gave him a shot of bute and one of cortisone and right now he seems much more relaxed. Charley has been eating alright just drags the hind leg where the sarcoids are and moves at a snails pace. The Vet feels he should be better by the end of the second week and I am to continue giving him a bolus, yellow, to help reduce the swelling and about 1 1/2 grams of bute orally twice a day. He intended to give the second series of shots in one month but now says we will wait until six weeks. Charlie, also the name of the Vet has always done a good job so hope we are on the right track. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Mary I had Stillion out today and he gave Charley a shot of bute and of cortisone. Hope this helps as the old boy is rally dragging. He had that founder from the trim, then the splint, then all shots and float, now this. Pretty hard on the old boy. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pam I understand this regressin sp! has been the most successful in getting rid of these ugly things. There seems to always be a reaction and Charley is just a very sensitive creature! There are several sarcoids and big as who bothers to check the groin of a horse? I certainly never and could not get down far enough to look up there. Right where the hind inner leg joins the belly. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, What's the deal with this sarcoid? I think I was out of town when you first had talked about it. Why the big production? Several? One large one? Bad location? Why did your veterinarian choose regressin to treat it? Just curious. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/3/00 10:50:18 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Did you ask the vet if next time he might want to consider freezing them off instead? Hope he's doing better today! >> As I recall, they were described as much too big and involved for that. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, considering all the pain and discomfort your horse is going through, I think I would first try the Herbal route for sarcoids if possible, then consider the other options if I had to treat another Sarcoid. Jean, Maybe instead of more shots of the Regressin, you should try the Ditton Herbs and Thuja Ointment. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 10F degrees at my home, zero at the Airport. Winter is here! >I thought I would bring you up to date on Charley's sarcoid procedure. Last >Thurs the Vet gave him approximately thirty shots in the large sarcoids in >his groin. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I thought I would bring you up to date on Charley's > sarcoid procedure. Sad > boy. Vet is saying we may have to put off the next > shots for two months > instead of one. Really do not like this sarcoid business. > Jean Jean, Sounds like the old boy's immune system is really working overtime!! But then thirty shots is a lot of 'immune stimulant'. Glendar only got about 4 shots at a time, as what he had was much smaller. Made him pretty unhappy(sore eye) for about 3 to 5 days, then he seemed to shake it off and never looked back. Of course, Glendar is a Fjord and I suspect maybe a bit more stoic about things. Also he is much younger than Charley. He was only three when his sarcoid was treated. Probably still 'too young to know he was hurting'. Hang in there - the results will be worth it if the treatment works. I've seen three horses that it did work on and they are all still just fine - no recurrence. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, poor Charley and poor Jean! Did you ask the vet if next time he might want to consider freezing them off instead? Hope he's doing better today! Pamela
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sleeping sickness is transmitted by birds. Actually, it is transmitted by mosquitoes. Birds, horses, people, etc. are the ones who get infected by the mosquito that carries the virus. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, You were asking if anyone knew about a disease transmitted by birds. Sleeping sickness is transmitted by birds. Alison Bakken in Alberta
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/16/00 8:04:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I am curious as my vet says sarcoids are not cancer, why your vet would treat with chemotherapy. >> Good questions. Guess it's just a very strong drug that works on killing cells running wild? (one of our vets will have to answer this one). If the second treatment didn't work (but it did) the vet would have then used the freezing method. After reading about the good results and non-reoccurence with the herbal stuff, I think I'll look into this as a maintenance thing. Pamela
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks alot Karen, I will check the archives too. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had similar good results as Jean E. with the Ditton Mix and Thuja ointment in treating sarcoids. A 5 y.o. gelding of mine had a huge sarcoid over his eye, and we tried the Regressin treatment, 3 x. It caused him to go off feed for 2-3 days after, he was in pain, it swelled and it bled at the site. It never showed any signs of diminishing.We tried for 3 months. So,I did an online search, saw the Hilton Herb site, emailed them w/ questions, and they were very helpful. Took almost 2 months for it to disappear completely after twice daily treatments. I think we had very good results w/ the herbal route. Even my vet agreed (after) that he thought it was a good way to go. Cost wise, the Regressin cost me about $95. per shot. The Ditton /Thuja stuff cost about $90.00 for all. Just wondering, but didn't we have the sarcoid discussion about 3-4 months ago? Also, my vet did not reccomend freezing off, but I can't remember why Good luck with your boy, Jean. Karen _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Jean and I will check out those herbs and Horse mg, I did hear about a virus called "Nile" and just now reading your mail put it together. Wow. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, Surely you have heard of the "West Nile Virus? It's been in the news all summer! They even canceled the World Singles Driving competition to be held at Gladstone in New Jersey because of it! I did wonder if the mini died of something like that. Wonder if they'd had their Eastern and Western Equine Encephalitis shots? my vet advises horse owners up here in Alaska to vaccinates against Eastern and Western EE. Sarcoids: there is an Anti-Tumor Drug called REGRESSIN which is injected into the tumor before other treatment, also some Herbal treatments work, such as Hilton "DITTON" herbal mixture available from CHAMISA RIDGE. THUJA ointment (also available from Chamisa) is used along with the herbs. After I had a Sarcoid removed from Stella's jaw, I ordered a big bucket of the Ditton herbs and the Thuja ointment. She loved the herbs, fed a scoop in her feed every day for a month. They smelled wonderful. So far the sarcoid has not recurred (knock on wood). Does your vet know about the REGRESSIN? Look up sarcoids in the online editeion of "THE HORSE" magazine. Good luck! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska ANother fantastic day b=for October, 43 degrees and sunny ( If only it were April with spring ahead instead of winter!) t >finally said he would guess a sarcoid, a big one. >.. and we discussed a biopsy to be certain and what procedures to take. >He said there were several alternatives if this is what it is. Surgery, >which he is reluctant about because of the location. Xray, which is what my >book suggests, or freezing. My Vet favors the freezing. .. > >I just wonder what others have experienced and I have heard they tend to >return? >Also, my Vet told me there is a very bad disease around New Jersey, Pa. >State and that region which is brought by birds. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jean, First, I "think" the disease your vet is talking about is the West Nile Virus. Something that's definitely going around in New York. A friend of mine from there first had lyme disease, then last year after a flood in her basement, she got very VERY ill. The health department monitored her blood for the longest time, but didn't mention West Nile. Didn't mention ANY disease to her, but she's very suspicious. She's a young, healthy lady so she kicked whatever it was that got her. On sarcoids, I had a scare a couple months ago with Juniper and a sarcoid in her ear. It was a choice between breeding her, and not treating the sarcoid, in which case it would probably grow, or keeping her barren this year and treating the sarcoid. Much as I wanted a foal for next year, I had to take care of her health issues first. Our vet cut the "bulging" part off and injected the area with chemo drugs (Juniper was not very happy about this although she was sedated to the gills). A month later the dashed thing was still there. Retreated it. A month later it was gone. It's only been 2 months. The "rumour" is that sarcoids become prevalent during fly season. Maybe irritate the tissue? I don't know. But the flies WERE more bothersome this year. Next year she'll be liberally annointed with fly spray each day and turned out with fly mask with pointy ears attached. Hope all goes well for you and Charley. Pamela
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Brenda Simonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also have a horse that developed what I thought was a sarcoid (multiple actually). The vet that we use doesn't believe in the injections and tried to freeze the first one off. It didn't work. She then cut it out. That one never came back. Then he got one on by the corner of his mouth. We cut that one out too. It came back. Then he got one on the side of his neck. I got frustrated and found some herbal remedy - thuja ointment and hilton ditton herbs. About 8 months after being on the "therapy" I noticed that both spots were shrinking. They are still shrinking. I don't know if it was the herbs or just time - and he has been off the herbs for quite some time. (Some articles I have read say to leave them alone and they will go away - sort of like warts in humans.) Just my two cents worth. Brenda Yeah Brenda!!! I have been lurking on the sarcoid thread a bit...I too had a gelding who came back to me after a couple of years w/ a well developed sarcoid growth over his eye. I went the route of the injections. VEEERY expensive, and in my case, I think utterly worthless. ( 3 injs. w4-6 wk intervals, I think.)It just dragged on.. I did a search for a homeopathic remedy, and I came upon the Chamisa Ridge catalog,(online). They offered the Ditton mix, man. by Hilton Herbs in conjunction w/ the topical application of Thuja salve.(Yew tree / anti-cancer drug). Arne was in great pain, didn't eat for a day or two after the anti-cancer inj's. (Very bad for a weegee to go off feed!) The thing burst and bled and was generally VERY painful and more disgusting...and did not resolve itself. The Ditton worked like a charm. I sold him after one month into the herbal/homeopathiic treatment, and his new people were very vigilant about his dosing. They called me a month and a half later and told me it had shrunk by half, and 3 mos. later it was ALL GONE! BTW, my vet was very open to trying the homeopahic route, as he was not very satisfied either w/ the anti-cancer inj. Nite! Karen in Carson City, NV (...I am still on a "high" from taking my 3 yo Lillie out for her first trail ride down and into the river this eve. A star! she was Sooo good!) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My horse is getting a rather large sarcoid near the tip on his ear. It started out about the size of a pea and now, it is about the size of a grape. The vet recommends removing it before it gets bigger and more difficult to remove since it can affect the ear leather. He wants to have it removed with a laser, which is a common method now, apparently. Has anyone else had this done? My reluctancy to do this is because the horse will have to be anesthetized and put on an operating table for the laser. However, if it is just cut off, there is no guarantee the ear won't be damaged and he could end up with the tip of the ear gone or worse. I wish the sarcoid was in another spot!
Re: Sarcoid
This message is from: Brenda Simonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also have a horse that developed what I thought was a sarcoid (multiple actually). The vet that we use doesn't believe in the injections and tried to freeze the first one off. It didn't work. She then cut it out. That one never came back. Then he got one on by the corner of his mouth. We cut that one out too. It came back. Then he got one on the side of his neck. I got frustrated and found some herbal remedy - thuja ointment and hilton ditton herbs. About 8 months after being on the "therapy" I noticed that both spots were shrinking. They are still shrinking. I don't know if it was the herbs or just time - and he has been off the herbs for quite some time. (Some articles I have read say to leave them alone and they will go away - sort of like warts in humans.) Just my two cents worth. Brenda
Re: sarcoid
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/17/00 4:56:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I remember that I had one fjord who developed a sarcoid. He was treated with two sets of injections of an immune system stimulant, I believe, and it went away never to return. >> This is good. We gave Juniper her first injection (hopefully her last) today. Glad to hear your horse's never returned! Pamela
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This message is from: "Rebecca Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Pamela, I remember that I had one fjord who developed a sarcoid. He was treated with two sets of injections of an immune system stimulant, I believe, and it went away never to return. Becky