Re: white Fjords
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] very cool David!! congratulations!! Reena - Original Message - From: David McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FjordList fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: white Fjords This message is from: David McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a picture of my pair boldly representing the whole breed (wasn't my idea!). http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=6b=9
Re: white Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David, Your horses are beautiful! I'd like to see even more pictures of them. Did you raise/train them yourself? I looked over the site _www.drivingpairs.com_ (http://www.drivingpairs.com) and voted your horses as the most gorgeous - and those Borzoi horses are the most unusual equines I've ever seen! Charla (looking for my reading glasses so I can see those Borzoi's better.)
Re: white Fjords -- now Borzois
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a hoot! That's me driving those Borzois! I should have a sign that says my other driving critter is a Fjord! These dogs belong to my sister in Florida. She and her husband raise Borzois and are international dog show judges. You can see more of them at http://www.sylvanborzoi.com/driving/driving.html Oh, BTW, that cart comes from Norway! Cheers! Karen (http://www.drivingpairs.com) and voted your horses as the most gorgeous - and those Borzoi horses are the most unusual equines I've ever seen! Charla (looking for my reading glasses so I can see those Borzoi's better.) _ 15,000 Velocity Points Velocity NAB Credit Card http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DNAT030%2E23080%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D34301_t=754983092_r=emailtagline_m=EXT
Re: white Fjords
This message is from: Anne Berit Nyland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe I'm a bit on the picky side, but isn't there the factor of 'lethal white'? Arabs, T-breds, Paints, sometimes Appys all have it, is this what we want? The foal is born, but dies from an autoimmune problem. Those who know, fill us in. Two white duns give 25% white foals with white eyes, two yellow duns as well (the yellow ones give 50% yellow and 25% red dun too). But I've never heard that it's lethal. Anne Berit Nyland - Norway
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a lethal white factor but it has nothing to do with cremellos, perlinos and smoky creams. It can be carried with the overo paint colour pattern (a horse with the overo gene may or may not be paint coloured). A foal that gets a copy of the lethal white overo gene from both parents is born white with an incomplete digestive tract, and always dies. Norwegian Fjords do not carry this gene. I think the White gene she's talking about is the homozygous lethal white - where a horse with one White gene is truly solid white (not a paint). It doesn't have anything to do with the lethal aspect of some of the paint genes, and has nothing to do with the White Dun Fjord (that is caused by the creme gene, not by the white gene). Hope this helps! Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
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This message is from: Monica Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a lethal white factor but it has nothing to do with cremellos, perlinos and smoky creams. It can be carried with the overo paint colour pattern (a horse with the overo gene may or may not be paint coloured). A foal that gets a copy of the lethal white overo gene from both parents is born white with an incomplete digestive tract, and always dies. Norwegian Fjords do not carry this gene. Monica in Nelson, BC - Original Message - From: Robert Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: white Fjords This message is from: Robert Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe I'm a bit on the picky side, but isn't there the factor of 'lethal white'? Arabs, T-breds, Paints, sometimes Appys all have it, is this what we want? The foal is born, but dies from an autoimmune problem. Those who know, fill us in. Bonnie Helena, way too warm, no snow to amount to a hill of beans
Re: white Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found a very interesting and informative article on this topic. Thought it could help detail and explain a little about the lethal white factor. A HREF=http://www.netpets.com/horses/healthspa/lethal.html;Click here: Overo Lethal White Syndrom/A Gretchen Karlson A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/fjordlove/myhomepage/index.html;Karlson Equestrian Portraiture/A
Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, Ky mare Kely, has FLIKKA as grandmother, could that ever be the same horse Griet, Many Fjords have the same name, because of different registries in each country. The way to keep them straight is to include their registration number along with their name - in this case Flikka N-13310. If the Flikka on your mare's pedigree has this same N- number, then it is the same horse. I also found it confusing until I started keeping track of the registration numbers, as well as the names. Mary, who owns Line(who now has three registration numbers, as she has been registered/has lived in three different countries in her 28 years.) = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:11 PM 10/8/99 +0200, you wrote: This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, Ky mare Kely, has FLIKKA as grandmother, could that ever be the same horse?? I think it is very possible. The N-13310 is Flikka's Norwegian Registration number. Here is the pedigree for Flikka: FLIKKA N-13310 DYRE N-1059 BORGEN N-1406 FLORA N-2623 PERFEKT N-1520 OYARBLAKKEN N-819 INGER N-5551 NILSINE N-2419 TRULS N-947 LUN N-1011 LUNA N-3114 BREIDI N-12059 KARESON ERESFJORD N-623 GJOA N-3346 NIPA N-2639 === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, Ky mare Kely, has FLIKKA as grandmother, could that ever be the same horse?? One of her famous sons in Belgium is HODUR.(father of Kely) Griet -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: woensdag 6 oktober 1999 19:37 Onderwerp: Re: White Fjords This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:12 AM 10/6/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe that Modellen's dam, Modella, is sired by Line's full brother Kviten. Am I correct? Yes you are. Here is Modellen's pedigree: MODELLEN N-1919 N-U-040-S Foaled September 30, 1981 Bred by ODD SCHEI, FORDE VALEBU N-1569 REIDULF REE N-1664 D-481 ADA N-10804 REI HALSNAES N-1833 D-542 HORSKJAER EID D-471 GITTE D-5294 PERLE D-5051 OLA GIK N-1703 KVITEN N-1758 FLIKKA N-13310 MODELLA N-14023 MONAR N-1579 MONLAUG N-12834 ELAINE N-10809 === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the photo Mike put on the NFHR web site of Luna, the sixth color, the 'kvitt' Fjord: http://www.nfhr.com/gallery/FG%20LUNA.jpg Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy TN USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Dorina NFR Aagot ~
RE: Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was just wondering, do the white and yellow (diuted) fjords have pink skin and blue eyes like my cremello quarterhorse, or do they have dark skin and eyes? All of the white(uls) dun Fjords I have seen have dark skin and some shade of brown eyes(from dark brown to a golden brown) I don't believe pink skin and blue eyes is exactly acceptable in Fjords - except on very rare occasion. When it happened in Norway at the turn of the century they stopped breeding for Ulsdun(white dun) because they did not understand how it happened. It seems to be a fluke caused by too much cremello factor. In Norway they are called kvit, which means white, while regular white duns are called ulsdun, which means wool colored(creamy). I think there is one kvit - or white- fjord in our Registry, and it is a gelding. If bred to a darker dun fjord, will they always dilute the color? No, not always. However, the accepted way to get an ulsdun foal is to breed an ulsdun mare or stallion (which obviously HAS the cremello gene) to a brown dun partner - preferably one with either an ulsdun ancestor or ulsdun offspring already on the ground. Then you can get either a lighter brown dun foal or an ulsdun foal - usually.. sometimes this results in a VERY DARK brown dun. Why this happens I haven't a clue. I just know it does. My ulsdun mare obviously passes her cremello gene on to her brown dun offspring(as well as her ulsdun ones) at least part of the time, as they tend to produce lighter brown dun(lysbrunblakke) foals. I have recently learned that his can be the result of the foal having a grandparent which is ulsdun - hence, a parent that carries the gene recessively. Confusing, no? I currently own a light brown dun gelding - the grandson of my ulsdun mare - whose parents are both fairly dark brown duns. So far as I know his sire has no ulsdun in his background, so the lightness must come from his dam - who has one ulsdun parent. I have only seen one yellow dun - Faksi(born to my mare Line while she was still in Norway.) From the pictures I have of Faksi, her eyes are definitely dark and her skin appears to be black. Hoofs are dark brown/black, also. This is an EXTREMELY rare color - almost produced by an accidental roll of the genetic dice - there being only two Fjords of this color in all of Norway's Fjord population. Possibly, there are two in North America as well. The Nowegians are disappointed that Faksi has not so far produced another yellow dun to replace herself. I wonder what would have happened had Line remained in Norway and been bred back to the same stallion that produced Faksi. Would the match have produced a yellow dun again? Probably not, but it is interesting to wonder. Hope this helps. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was just wondering, do the white and yellow (diuted) fjords have pink skin and blue eyes like my cremello quarterhorse, or do they have dark skin and eyes? If bred to a darker dun fjord, will they always dilute the color? Thanks Mary Wood --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:12 AM 10/6/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe that Modellen's dam, Modella, is sired by Line's full brother Kviten. Am I correct? Yes you are. Here is Modellen's pedigree: MODELLEN N-1919 N-U-040-S Foaled September 30, 1981 Bred by ODD SCHEI, FORDE VALEBU N-1569 REIDULF REE N-1664 D-481 ADA N-10804 REI HALSNAES N-1833 D-542 HORSKJAER EID D-471 GITTE D-5294 PERLE D-5051 OLA GIK N-1703 KVITEN N-1758 FLIKKA N-13310 MODELLA N-14023 MONAR N-1579 MONLAUG N-12834 ELAINE N-10809 === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some wonderful Modellin pictures if folks want to see them. I'll have to dig them out of a disk. Yes, Dave, I for one would love to see them! I assume the representative picture of a white dun on the Fjord Colors page is also of Modellen - I think I have the same picture around here somewhere. His first owner sent the picture to me years ago when we exchanged pictures of Modellen and Line. We laughed when we received the pictures, as each of us thought we were looking at the same horse at first - we just happened to exchange pictures of them in almost exactly the same pose. They were so much alike in body and carriage that you had to look closely to tell them apart. I believe that Modellen's dam, Modella, is sired by Line's full brother Kviten. Am I correct? Would also like to see pictures of Modellen's son and grandson that you kept. Did they retain the dun stripe, or has it sort of disappeared by the third generation? Some of Line's ulsdun grand- and greatgrand- babies no longer have any black on them, although that characteristic may come from the stallion used. Thanks in advance for the pictures. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one spoke badly about white dun Fjords to me. I have just posted a question to the list concerning my recent feedback that they are a less desireable color. Not that the persons who told me that felt that way by any means themselves. I would LOVE to see the photos of Modella! Please send them along! Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, Virginia -- From: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FjordList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: White Fjords Date: Mon, Oct 5, 1998, 10:46 PM This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHO SPOKE BADLY ABOUT WHITE FJORDS
Re: White Fjords
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:46 AM 10/5/98 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a son of Modellin (who produced white duns only one out four), and a grandson, both white. I am glad not all Fjords are white, as I highly value the other colors, and most of mine are brown duns, but I think the whites have a special place. When they are clean (Modellin and his son didn't go long between rolls in the mud), they have a glow that takes white to a new dimension, which I can't imagine anyone would love. Modellen produced 27 brown dun, 18 white dun 1 cremello or kvit as the Norwegians call it. Modellin, unfortunately died last spring. Montano, his half brother, by Modella, is still alive. He is brown dun. Has he ever produced a white? Anyone know? Montano has 37 foals registered. All 37 of them are brown dun. I have some wonderful Modellin pictures if folks want to see them. I'll have to dig them out of a disk. One is from the cover of the Herald many years ago. As many times as I have seen it, it still makes me miss a breath. I would like a good one for the upcoming stallion page on the web site Dave. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
