"sometimes you have to take sides"
This message is from: "Debby" I too admire Fred for doing what he had to do to get his fjords back to him safely. I guess I don't quite understand what had/has happened. Were your fjords at this "trainers" facility? And she wouldn't let you take them so you had to hire a lawyer, to fight to get them back? And she'd bred her stallion, a reg. fjord, to your reg. fjord mare, without your permission. And then decided that she should have the foal? Well, I'd think even if it were an accident, if anyone has something to complain about is Fred. If he'd not wanted his mare bred and she did it on purpose, she should be held responsible for all vet care for mare and foal. And even though accidents happen, this was her facility, her responsibility to insure the stallion had no way to get to Freds mare, and even with accidents one has to assume responsibility. Sounds as if she was either doing it to get a foal, get money for breeding and when neither worked, she decided to complain to the registry. Is this the case? I remember having my guys at a boarding facility one time. I only had them there as the owner was going to "help" me with two of my horses. But one ended up with an ulcer that we had to treat and not work for 30 days and the other was my younger one, getting her started. But she had problems working with a fjord I could see, so I told her I'd work her until I got her a bit further on in her training. She got miffed at me and although I had 5 horses at her place, we were having a barn built and it was half finished, she'd given me a good price to board 5 at her place. She'd talked me into moving mine from another barn to her place. So when I didn't have her working any of my guys, she left me a bill for boarding for 5 horses, which was double what I was paying. I was also supplying my own hay as she did not have enough for 5 extra horses, that was the deal when I moved them there and I was fine with that as I'm picky about my hay anyway. So when I approached her about the bill, she told me either pay it or she's locking the gate. Scared the bajeebies out of me. Of course I paid it and once my stalls were done even though the barn was not, not even water to the barn yet, I went over there and without letting her know, loaded my horses and hauled them home. She was at Church. I was paid up, but I was afraid. If she'd do that, what else might she do. Anyway, hope I get a better understanding of what actually happened with Freds horses. Guess I must have missed the first postings, the original ones. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Sometimes you have to take sides
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" ma...@boreal.org > > Sorry for your frustration Fred, but it appears you should probably have > retained a different attorney. If it were me, I would have stopped a long > time before the costs reached $30K... Horses are more important than money to some.. I think it's commendable that Fred and Lois cared so much that they went the second mile to retrieve what was rightfully theirs; that they cared to such a great extent for their Fjord's welfare. "Bygones be bygones" is easy if it's not your injustice.. but something wrong can never be made right by indifference. The age old question, "am I my brother's keeper?" is as relevant today as it was many years ago. Our common Fjord bond should be strong enough that we care about one another, care about one another's Fjords, care enough to extend some interest and energy when it is called for. All that is necessary is to do the right thing. Ruth Bushnell, NW MT US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Sometimes you have to take sides
This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" Sorry for your frustration Fred, but it appears you should probably have retained a different attorney. If it were me, I would have stopped a long time before the costs reached $30K, and said "lesson learned" and walked away from the mess and gone on with my life. There are a lot of unregistered Fjords out there that are pure bred and doing just fine. Taking sides usually leads to more conflict - just like starting a war. It cost us over $30,000 in legal fees to recover our horses. We agreed to drop any further claims against her for "missing equipment" and "neglect of our horses". She, supposedly agreed to drop any and all further claims against us...THAT INCLUDED THE HORSES. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7194 (20120604) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Sometimes you have to take sides
This message is from: Frederick Pack Today is the 2nd birthday of our yet unregistered filly, Tova Tu. It was noted in the NFHR BOD minutes that the BOD didn't want to take sides regarding registering our baby. Somehow, I thought the purpose of the NFHR was to promote the Fjord and protect the breed. How does doing nothing, I.E. not taking sides promote the well being of a beautiful little girl? I suggest you re-read the post by our former trainer, posted on this list on Tue 3/6/2012 11:00 AM and my un-answered rebuttal posted Tue 3/6/2012 1:03 PM. In the mediation, the first question asked of us was: "Are any horses involved in any settlement?" Answer was "Absolutely NOT!" Subject closed. Apparently our former trainer had no inkling what an option in an agreement is. Maybe someone should educate her. The only reason we signed an agreement containing that option clause was to get rid of her as we had no intention of paying another dime. What we did pay, as part of the agreement went to HER attorney. I would like to restate something: Lois and I would be willing to take a lie detector test to allay any doubts that what we have written and said IS true. Our mare was bred against our expressed denial of permission. No signed breeding agreement, or oral agreement or permission, ever existed. PERIOD! It cost us over $30,000 in legal fees to recover our horses. We agreed to drop any further claims against her for "missing equipment" and "neglect of our horses". She, supposedly agreed to drop any and all further claims against us...THAT INCLUDED THE HORSES. We have attempted to honor the agreement. She has not. She had disparaged us publicly. She claims in a letter to the registrar (in attempting to register our foal herself) that an agreement exists. That is a lie. She claimed that she is in the process of claiming our foal. Another lie? Our baby is still here, eating treats our of my hand and giving me warm nuzzles. We spent my retirement money to "rescue" our horses. We made a commitment to our horses, and lived up to that commitment. It is time for the NFHR BOD to grant a waiver of the Certificate of Breeding Requirement and take a side for the sake of an innocent horse. I ask each reader to write to each board member and demand their reasons for not allowing such an exemption. The exemption is JUSTIFIED. When our former trainer was trying to raise money to buy her white stallion, we were offered breeding's to that stallion for $500.00. We never signed one or paid her in advance for a breeding. We discarded the forms. In the event that the NFHR BOD still lacks the will power to do something right: I offer her, NOW, $500.00 to sign a Certificate of Breeding. For the sake of our baby! She can NOT become sausage. Ms. Morris, you have ONE WEEK and this OPTION will expire. It will die, midnight PDT June 11th, 2012. The money is NOT negotiable. I can put a check in the hands of President Pedersen, to be released when a COB is received by the NFHR. Tova Tu says: "Don't forget me. I am a pure bred Norwegian Fjord!" -- Fred and Lois Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
