Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


You mean about how mules kick?

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Theresa Christiansen  wrote:

From: Theresa Christiansen 
Subject: Re: Spook etc
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 9:27 PM

This message is from: Theresa Christiansen 


Wow!  I own both mules and fjords and have for years.  I couldn't disagree
more with your farrier.

tc


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rovena Kessinger wrote:

> This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 
>
>
> Yea it seems like a lot of horse people are scared of mules. My trimmer was
> very, very cautious.  She siad mules kick to kill, and they can aim.  They
> think the fjord is so cute and cuddly, but he is actually a lot more
> likely to
> hurt somebody than the mule.  The mule always knows where his feet are,
> never
> tries to kick anybody, and he is very friendly to people, and loves for
> people
> to pet him and talk to him nicely. The fjord is not very friendly and is
> scared by people he doesn't know, plus he's clumsy, so is much more likely
> to
> squash somebody.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:
>
>
> From: Kathleen Spiegel 
> Subject: Re: Spook etc
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:12 PM
>
>
> This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 
>
>
> The comment about the filly being bored is probably very true.  They will
> find ways to amuse themselves.  There is a lot to be said for maturity.  I
> sold two other fjords this spring, both of which were four and five years
> old, barely started under saddle.  I get a call at least once a week from
> the owner, absolutely thrilled to death with them and their progress.  She
> has taken them slowly and now is able to ride both of them out in the
> woods, on roads and her 10 year old daughter will be riding one in the 4th
> of July parade.   I was reluctant to sell the younger filly - a two year
> old - and am glad to have her back.   I tried to have him take one of the
> older horses but he wanted one he could "start his way".  IAll the
> youngsters have similar breeding and the same start.
> Re mules and watching other horses.  I had a farrier that my horses loved
> and respected.  The mule insisted on going first or her feelings were hurt.
> He was trained by the Amish who told him that with the mule, the first
> time you do it, let him watch the other horses, process the fact that they
> were ok and then they will be fine.  I have problems finding farriers who
> are not afraid of the mule- she is a catalonian/thoroughbred and stands
> about 17 hands tall. After the first session, where he did her last, she
> was his buddy forever.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rovena Kessinger  >wrote:
>
> > This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 
> >
> >
> > From the time I've spent with mine, I cannot imagine putting a young
> fjord
> > by
> > itself with a bunch of kids.  That sounds like a disaster waiting to
> > happen,
> > which I guess it was.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Kathleen Spiegel 
> > Subject: Re: Spook etc
> > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> > Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 12:49 PM
> >
> >
> > This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 
> >
> >
> > my mule is nothing if not a long eared fjord.   Self preservation, a
> > certain need to be convinced rather than coerced and a love of food.
> both
> > are extremely lovable and probably closer to the wild type of horse than
> > the domesticated form, although they have been domesticated for ages.
> >
> > I recently sold one of my best fillies, who of all of my fjords showed
> the
> > most pormise as a laid back kids horse. The purchaser returned her after
> > three months.  Although he cited helath reasons, in talking to him, I
> found
> > out she had developed a habit of kicking when cornered, chasing his cows
> > and his dogs, testing his fences and wanting to eat everything. all very
> > mulelike.  Of note, this was his only horse on the place.   The mule is
> > herd protector, taking on any thing that is not in her herd, whether
> > coyote, dog or moose.  He returned her as a suspicious high strung filly,
> > but she is calming down.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Me Kint  wrote:
> >
> > > This message is from: Me Kint 
> > >
> > >
> > > A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in
> > their
> > > behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
> > > someone e

Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Theresa Christiansen
This message is from: Theresa Christiansen 


Wow!  I own both mules and fjords and have for years.  I couldn't disagree
more with your farrier.

tc


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rovena Kessinger wrote:

> This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 
>
>
> Yea it seems like a lot of horse people are scared of mules. My trimmer was
> very, very cautious.  She siad mules kick to kill, and they can aim.  They
> think the fjord is so cute and cuddly, but he is actually a lot more
> likely to
> hurt somebody than the mule.  The mule always knows where his feet are,
> never
> tries to kick anybody, and he is very friendly to people, and loves for
> people
> to pet him and talk to him nicely. The fjord is not very friendly and is
> scared by people he doesn't know, plus he's clumsy, so is much more likely
> to
> squash somebody.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:
>
>
> From: Kathleen Spiegel 
> Subject: Re: Spook etc
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:12 PM
>
>
> This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 
>
>
> The comment about the filly being bored is probably very true.  They will
> find ways to amuse themselves.  There is a lot to be said for maturity.  I
> sold two other fjords this spring, both of which were four and five years
> old, barely started under saddle.  I get a call at least once a week from
> the owner, absolutely thrilled to death with them and their progress.  She
> has taken them slowly and now is able to ride both of them out in the
> woods, on roads and her 10 year old daughter will be riding one in the 4th
> of July parade.   I was reluctant to sell the younger filly - a two year
> old - and am glad to have her back.   I tried to have him take one of the
> older horses but he wanted one he could "start his way".  IAll the
> youngsters have similar breeding and the same start.
> Re mules and watching other horses.  I had a farrier that my horses loved
> and respected.  The mule insisted on going first or her feelings were hurt.
> He was trained by the Amish who told him that with the mule, the first
> time you do it, let him watch the other horses, process the fact that they
> were ok and then they will be fine.  I have problems finding farriers who
> are not afraid of the mule- she is a catalonian/thoroughbred and stands
> about 17 hands tall. After the first session, where he did her last, she
> was his buddy forever.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rovena Kessinger  >wrote:
>
> > This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 
> >
> >
> > From the time I've spent with mine, I cannot imagine putting a young
> fjord
> > by
> > itself with a bunch of kids.  That sounds like a disaster waiting to
> > happen,
> > which I guess it was.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Kathleen Spiegel 
> > Subject: Re: Spook etc
> > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> > Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 12:49 PM
> >
> >
> > This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 
> >
> >
> > my mule is nothing if not a long eared fjord.   Self preservation, a
> > certain need to be convinced rather than coerced and a love of food.
> both
> > are extremely lovable and probably closer to the wild type of horse than
> > the domesticated form, although they have been domesticated for ages.
> >
> > I recently sold one of my best fillies, who of all of my fjords showed
> the
> > most pormise as a laid back kids horse. The purchaser returned her after
> > three months.  Although he cited helath reasons, in talking to him, I
> found
> > out she had developed a habit of kicking when cornered, chasing his cows
> > and his dogs, testing his fences and wanting to eat everything. all very
> > mulelike.  Of note, this was his only horse on the place.   The mule is
> > herd protector, taking on any thing that is not in her herd, whether
> > coyote, dog or moose.  He returned her as a suspicious high strung filly,
> > but she is calming down.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Me Kint  wrote:
> >
> > > This message is from: Me Kint 
> > >
> > >
> > > A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in
> > their
> > > behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
> > > someone explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from
> > the
> > > variety of horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems
> > that I
> > > have to work more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mu

Re: [Bulk] Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Jo Wilgus

This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" 


hmmm? Regn and Duffers have ALWAYS been willing. Guess no mule in them. They 
are awesome ponies!!!

jo

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Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


Yea it seems like a lot of horse people are scared of mules. My trimmer was
very, very cautious.  She siad mules kick to kill, and they can aim.  They
think the fjord is so cute and cuddly, but he is actually a lot more likely to
hurt somebody than the mule.  The mule always knows where his feet are, never
tries to kick anybody, and he is very friendly to people, and loves for people
to pet him and talk to him nicely. The fjord is not very friendly and is
scared by people he doesn't know, plus he's clumsy, so is much more likely to
squash somebody.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:


From: Kathleen Spiegel 
Subject: Re: Spook etc
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:12 PM


This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 


The comment about the filly being bored is probably very true.  They will
find ways to amuse themselves.  There is a lot to be said for maturity.  I
sold two other fjords this spring, both of which were four and five years
old, barely started under saddle.  I get a call at least once a week from
the owner, absolutely thrilled to death with them and their progress.  She
has taken them slowly and now is able to ride both of them out in the
woods, on roads and her 10 year old daughter will be riding one in the 4th
of July parade.   I was reluctant to sell the younger filly - a two year
old - and am glad to have her back.   I tried to have him take one of the
older horses but he wanted one he could "start his way".  IAll the
youngsters have similar breeding and the same start.
Re mules and watching other horses.  I had a farrier that my horses loved
and respected.  The mule insisted on going first or her feelings were hurt.
He was trained by the Amish who told him that with the mule, the first
time you do it, let him watch the other horses, process the fact that they
were ok and then they will be fine.  I have problems finding farriers who
are not afraid of the mule- she is a catalonian/thoroughbred and stands
about 17 hands tall. After the first session, where he did her last, she
was his buddy forever.



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rovena Kessinger wrote:

> This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 
>
>
> From the time I've spent with mine, I cannot imagine putting a young fjord
> by
> itself with a bunch of kids.  That sounds like a disaster waiting to
> happen,
> which I guess it was.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:
>
>
> From: Kathleen Spiegel 
> Subject: Re: Spook etc
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 12:49 PM
>
>
> This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 
>
>
> my mule is nothing if not a long eared fjord.   Self preservation, a
> certain need to be convinced rather than coerced and a love of food.  both
> are extremely lovable and probably closer to the wild type of horse than
> the domesticated form, although they have been domesticated for ages.
>
> I recently sold one of my best fillies, who of all of my fjords showed the
> most pormise as a laid back kids horse. The purchaser returned her after
> three months.  Although he cited helath reasons, in talking to him, I found
> out she had developed a habit of kicking when cornered, chasing his cows
> and his dogs, testing his fences and wanting to eat everything. all very
> mulelike.  Of note, this was his only horse on the place.   The mule is
> herd protector, taking on any thing that is not in her herd, whether
> coyote, dog or moose.  He returned her as a suspicious high strung filly,
> but she is calming down.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Me Kint  wrote:
>
> > This message is from: Me Kint 
> >
> >
> > A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in
> their
> > behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
> > someone explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from
> the
> > variety of horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems
> that I
> > have to work more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mules & fjords?
> What
> > similarities do you observe?
> >
> > From Mary's iPad
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Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Kathleen Spiegel
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 


The comment about the filly being bored is probably very true.  They will
find ways to amuse themselves.  There is a lot to be said for maturity.  I
sold two other fjords this spring, both of which were four and five years
old, barely started under saddle.  I get a call at least once a week from
the owner, absolutely thrilled to death with them and their progress.  She
has taken them slowly and now is able to ride both of them out in the
woods, on roads and her 10 year old daughter will be riding one in the 4th
of July parade.   I was reluctant to sell the younger filly - a two year
old - and am glad to have her back.   I tried to have him take one of the
older horses but he wanted one he could "start his way".  IAll the
youngsters have similar breeding and the same start.
Re mules and watching other horses.  I had a farrier that my horses loved
and respected.  The mule insisted on going first or her feelings were hurt.
 He was trained by the Amish who told him that with the mule, the first
time you do it, let him watch the other horses, process the fact that they
were ok and then they will be fine.  I have problems finding farriers who
are not afraid of the mule- she is a catalonian/thoroughbred and stands
about 17 hands tall. After the first session, where he did her last, she
was his buddy forever.



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rovena Kessinger wrote:

> This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 
>
>
> From the time I've spent with mine, I cannot imagine putting a young fjord
> by
> itself with a bunch of kids.  That sounds like a disaster waiting to
> happen,
> which I guess it was.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:
>
>
> From: Kathleen Spiegel 
> Subject: Re: Spook etc
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 12:49 PM
>
>
> This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 
>
>
> my mule is nothing if not a long eared fjord.   Self preservation, a
> certain need to be convinced rather than coerced and a love of food.  both
> are extremely lovable and probably closer to the wild type of horse than
> the domesticated form, although they have been domesticated for ages.
>
> I recently sold one of my best fillies, who of all of my fjords showed the
> most pormise as a laid back kids horse. The purchaser returned her after
> three months.  Although he cited helath reasons, in talking to him, I found
> out she had developed a habit of kicking when cornered, chasing his cows
> and his dogs, testing his fences and wanting to eat everything. all very
> mulelike.  Of note, this was his only horse on the place.   The mule is
> herd protector, taking on any thing that is not in her herd, whether
> coyote, dog or moose.  He returned her as a suspicious high strung filly,
> but she is calming down.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Me Kint  wrote:
>
> > This message is from: Me Kint 
> >
> >
> > A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in
> their
> > behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
> > someone explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from
> the
> > variety of horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems
> that I
> > have to work more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mules & fjords?
> What
> > similarities do you observe?
> >
> > From Mary's iPad
> >
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Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


>From the time I've spent with mine, I cannot imagine putting a young fjord by
itself with a bunch of kids.  That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen,
which I guess it was.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kathleen Spiegel  wrote:


From: Kathleen Spiegel 
Subject: Re: Spook etc
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 12:49 PM


This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 


my mule is nothing if not a long eared fjord.   Self preservation, a
certain need to be convinced rather than coerced and a love of food.  both
are extremely lovable and probably closer to the wild type of horse than
the domesticated form, although they have been domesticated for ages.

I recently sold one of my best fillies, who of all of my fjords showed the
most pormise as a laid back kids horse. The purchaser returned her after
three months.  Although he cited helath reasons, in talking to him, I found
out she had developed a habit of kicking when cornered, chasing his cows
and his dogs, testing his fences and wanting to eat everything. all very
mulelike.  Of note, this was his only horse on the place.   The mule is
herd protector, taking on any thing that is not in her herd, whether
coyote, dog or moose.  He returned her as a suspicious high strung filly,
but she is calming down.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Me Kint  wrote:

> This message is from: Me Kint 
>
>
> A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in their
> behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
> someone explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from the
> variety of horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems that I
> have to work more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mules & fjords?  What
> similarities do you observe?
>
> From Mary's iPad
>
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


I think that's why mine ended up in a rescue before I got him.  He does not
respond well to any kind of pressure.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, ruth bushnell  wrote:


From: ruth bushnell 
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Spook etc
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 12:28 PM


This message is from: "ruth bushnell" 


> A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in their
> behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
someone
> explain?  > From Mary's iPad
>

I don't have much experience with mule's, but it seems to me that throughout
the years it was said many times that both the mule and the Fjord resist
pressure the same.

Someone mentioned trust, that cannot be emphasized enough.. take time to
establish
a relationship with your Fjord, before trying to move their furniture around.
ha

Ruthie, nw mt US
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Spook etc.

2013-06-20 Thread Me Kint
This message is from: Me Kint 


"The Fjords are very stoic and self-minded.  They look
out for themselves "

I have seen that to be true too...example, a yr. ago I was trotting down a dirt 
road that I had been on for over 25 yrs.  A recent rain had covered over a 
squirrel hole!  Tunix stepped in it a fell & I took a dive (I was also ponying 
Zoe).  Well Tunix did everything possible to prevent himself from flipping over 
which he would have landed on me!  He scraped his nose badly & the front of his 
face.  I knew it must have hurt his teeth.  So I didn't ride him for over a 
month to let the soreness go away.  Well the first time I rode him after the 
fall, i rode on the hilly part of our property where he is turned out,  he had 
his nose almost on the ground checking the ground on that ride & this was his 
own familiar territory!
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Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Kathleen Spiegel
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel 


my mule is nothing if not a long eared fjord.   Self preservation, a
certain need to be convinced rather than coerced and a love of food.  both
are extremely lovable and probably closer to the wild type of horse than
the domesticated form, although they have been domesticated for ages.

I recently sold one of my best fillies, who of all of my fjords showed the
most pormise as a laid back kids horse. The purchaser returned her after
three months.  Although he cited helath reasons, in talking to him, I found
out she had developed a habit of kicking when cornered, chasing his cows
and his dogs, testing his fences and wanting to eat everything. all very
mulelike.  Of note, this was his only horse on the place.   The mule is
herd protector, taking on any thing that is not in her herd, whether
coyote, dog or moose.  He returned her as a suspicious high strung filly,
but she is calming down.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Me Kint  wrote:

> This message is from: Me Kint 
>
>
> A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in their
> behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would
> someone explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from the
> variety of horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems that I
> have to work more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mules & fjords?  What
> similarities do you observe?
>
> From Mary's iPad
>
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread ruth bushnell

This message is from: "ruth bushnell" 



A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in their
behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would 
someone

explain?  > From Mary's iPad



I don't have much experience with mule's, but it seems to me that throughout
the years it was said many times that both the mule and the Fjord resist
pressure the same.

Someone mentioned trust, that cannot be emphasized enough.. take time to 
establish
a relationship with your Fjord, before trying to move their furniture 
around. ha


Ruthie, nw mt US 


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Re: Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


I do but I don't think I know enough about horses in general to know how
fjords are different than others, or how much more fjords are like mules than
other horses.  But I've had other people tell me that they are alike too.  To
me, they seem pretty different.  The mule is a minimalist, the fjord over does
everything.  For example, in teaching to move FQ over, the mule will just tap
with his foot near me on the other side and call it good.  The fjord over does
it to the point where he spins in a complete circle.  It's a struggle to teach
the mule to back.  Even after he does it well in training sessions, he won't
do it during other times.  The fjord will keep backing way past where he
needed to.

--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Me Kint  wrote:


From: Me Kint 
Subject: Spook etc
To: "Fjord List" 
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 10:13 AM


This message is from: Me Kint 


A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in their
behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would someone
explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from the variety of
horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems that I have to work
more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mules & fjords?  What similarities do
you observe?

>From Mary's iPad

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Spook etc

2013-06-20 Thread Me Kint
This message is from: Me Kint 


A while back someone mentioned that fjords can have a little mule in their 
behavior or something like that.  Not being familiar with mules, would someone 
explain?  I have observed that my few fjords are different from the variety of 
horses I have hadmaybe I just know more now but seems that I have to work 
more with the fjord mind.  Anybody have mules & fjords?  What similarities do 
you observe?

>From Mary's iPad
 
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