Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Sarah Clarke sarahmagdalencla...@yahoo.com Equus publishes a report every year. Tbs Quarters and appalooses are always the top of the list with ~100,000 registrations If someone has the time to research current numbers of live horses within the various registries, I would find that interesting. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Steve McIlree wrote: I certainly agree that several breeds have been bred to excess, but I'm not sure it's fair to point a finger at Morgans. Not trying to point fingers (except for the QH industry). Just comparing numbers. I happen to like Morgans (my best Horse of a Lifetime was a Morgan ...though Obie is coming really, really close!) and chose to research their numbers instead of some of the others (plus, they were the other breed brought up in this discussion). I'm sure the Thoroughbred industry has contributed much, much, more to this glut as well. There are animal multiplyers in every breed, not to mention the folks who have tried to make a buck by crossing the latest fad breed with something more common to create something more affordable - perhaps more marketable - than a purebred horse. Oh, oh, I can feel the flames coming now...I'm not saying that a purebred horse is the only kind of horse to have but MOST of the time (note: I said most, not all of the time) quality (by quality, I mean good temperament, good conformation, hardy and intelligent) horses are not the ones being crossed. As for the number of registrations, that also does not take into account the number of registered horses that are actually alive today. However, I still believe it shows that we, as Fjord enthusiasts, still have a relatively rare breed in this country. If someone has the time to research current numbers of live horses within the various registries, I would find that interesting. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com You can add the paint /pinto horse to over breeding.. Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:28:35 -0700 From: starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Steve McIlree wrote: I certainly agree that several breeds have been bred to excess, but I'm not sure it's fair to point a finger at Morgans. Not trying to point fingers (except for the QH industry). Just comparing numbers. I happen to like Morgans (my best Horse of a Lifetime was a Morgan ...though Obie is coming really, really close!) and chose to research their numbers instead of some of the others (plus, they were the other breed brought up in this discussion). I'm sure the Thoroughbred industry has contributed much, much, more to this glut as well. There are animal multiplyers in every breed, not to mention the folks who have tried to make a buck by crossing the latest fad breed with something more common to create something more affordable - perhaps more marketable - than a purebred horse. Oh, oh, I can feel the flames coming now...I'm not saying that a purebred horse is the only kind of horse to have but MOST of the time (note: I said most, not all of the time) quality (by quality, I mean good temperament, good conformation, hardy and intelligent) horses are not the ones being crossed. As for the number of registrations, that also does not take into account the number of registered horses that are actually alive today. However, I still believe it shows that we, as Fjord enthusiasts, still have a relatively rare breed in this country. If someone has the time to research current numbers of live horses within the various registries, I would find that interesting. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Auction reasonable prices on Fjords
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Phil...yes, well said..Linda Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com From: n...@norskwoodworks.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Auction reasonable prices on Fjords Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:07:42 -0600 This message is from: PHILLIP Odden n...@norskwoodworks.com Hello List, This is Phillip Odden in Northwest Wisconsin where it is bright and sunny but cold ( - 7 ) with still plenty snow to drive the sleighs. Patty Jo made some good points and I wish to re-enforce some of them. Don't worry I will be brief. People are looking for fjord horses that are trained. They want horses from breeders who use their horses and many people appreciate horses that are able to both drive and ride. Not everyone is capable of starting horses. Not everyone takes the time to teach their young horses, and older horses as well, good ground manners. Patty takes a hands on approach so does Beth and there are others. If you are training horses day in and day out you come to appreciate Fjord horses that are easily trainable. This has to do with genetics and disposition. Horses with good dispositions, horses that are easily trained, horses with sound conformation should be worth more. It will cost you less to have them trained if you need to hire a trainer and the results will be more pleasing and satisfying. In addition it will be easier to re-sell the horse if need be. It is kind of nice to ride or drive a horse where you can relax and trust the horse will not take advantage of you. Horses like that are worth their weight in gold. Fjord horses with good conformation and performance scores through the NFHR evaluation process are more valuable. Anybody can say anything they want about their horses. The proof is in the pudding. Quality is worth more now and worth more in the future. When I have trained horse that I am willing to part with I have no problem selling them. I work hard at selecting good breeding stock and horses that are easily trained. The NFHR evaluation education process is the foundation of my selection process. It isn't worth my time training a difficult horse for years when it will be fit for only a select few people who can handle a difficult horse. These cheap fjords with trainability and conformation issues are worth less than their low price. If people continue to breed these horses the value of the Fjord Horse Breed in America will decline. When the conformation, temperament and trainability of our breed declines owners, breeders and buyers are less satisfied. Perhaps worst of all, the horses themselves suffer from aching joints, immobility issues and poor health. A secure horse is a happy horse. Let's breed, sell and train horses that can feel secure so they can be happy. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: debi crocker whfjo...@surferie.net I aggree the general public has no idea what we are spending to purchase our brood stock then locate a stallion and manage the mare for 11 months then deliver and raise the foal for another 6 months. Fjords are a very special breed. Look at how hard the NFHR has worked to get evaluations going. Unfortunately with the current economy many people can no longer afford to hold out for a decent price and sell low. People think that breeders should sell at the same price or lower as we have multiple animals. Then there are the PMU animals that rescue for $1500-$2000.( and don't forget to add on the transportation costs and they are going to need some ttraining) And people gobble them up! Just my 2 cents. Debi Crocker - Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Eric Kozowski wrote: Raising horses, especially right now, is not a money making proposition. This is very true, unless you are willing to put a lot of money into marketing and are willing to sell just about any horse to just about anybody, which we are not. These is a glut of horses on the market right now and even well trained horses (not necessarily Fjords) can be had for under $2000. I agree with the not necessarily Fjords statement. The AQHA January 8, 2008 news item states that they registered it's /five/ /millionth/ quarter horse. That's 5,000,000. The Quarter Horse industry has been one of the major contributors to the glut of horses in the market in this country. And I mean INDUSTRY. The AQHA actually /sold/ the rights to the registration number for the 5,000,000th horse! According to Wikipedia, as of Feb 17, 2009, more than 132,000 Morgan Horses have been registered. Compare that to the NFHR recently registering it's 6,000th Fjord and I think that we can reasonably ask more than $500 to $2,000.00 for a well-trained horse. /// / At even the big auctions, like Billings, nicely trained horses were going for $500-$2000. Colts were bringing $50-$250. Hermiston was about the same. Mostly Quarter Horses, I presume. Horses are luxury items (unless you're a professional cowboy) and people are cutting way back on spending on luxury items. Of course. Responsible breeders that I know have been cutting back for a couple of years now, breeding either 1 or 2 (or none -like us) offspring, which is a far cry from the Animal Multipliers (as Wayne Hipsley likes to call them) who don't take quality and the market into consideration when breeding animals. And, we don't sell our horses to just anyone. We try very hard to match the right horse with a proapective client. Therefore, sometimes we DO hang onto them longer than is economical, but do so for the benefit of both horse and new owner. If the initial post had mentioned that younger or (very) green started horses were acceptable, I may not have put fingers to the keyboard. As I read it, the implication was the need for tolerant, trained horses (what I presume to be a suitable horse for a lesson program.) Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Steve McIlree st...@carriagehorse.com Starfire Farm wrote: ...as of Feb 17, 2009, more than 132,000 Morgan Horses have been registered. Compare that to the NFHR recently registering it's 6,000th Fjord... While this is true, you have to remember that the NFHR just celebrated its 25th anniversary, while the Morgan registry was started in 1894. And the Morgan had already become one of the most widespread American breeds; in demand for farm, military and general use for over a century before the formal registry was initiated. I certainly agree that several breeds have been bred to excess, but I'm not sure it's fair to point a finger at Morgans. -- Steve Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com 17+ is getting there:) Hmm, I would call 17 middle age rather than old...? Mid 20s is more what I'd call old. And I've had a?couple that I really didn't consider old even at that age. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net I'm sorry, but I just can't get by the notion that under $2,000.00 for a trained Fjord, especially well trained enough to be a reliable horse for a lesson program, is a reasonable price. At a basic minimum, the financial cost (only the financial cost) of raising a horse is about $1,000.00 per year (plus or minus, depending on the cost of hay, veterinary services, farrier services, etc. and the fluctuation of those expenses). Multiply that by at least 3 or 4 years (depending upon when the owner decides to start the horse under saddle or in harness). Add the time or finances to have the horse trained, or the time to train the horse yourself, to the capablity of being a good lesson horse and you probably have -at the very least- another $1,500.00 (minimum) to $3,000.00, depending upon the quality of the training. So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? A price of less than 50% of that financial cost just doesn't sound reasonable. Desperate, maybe, but not reasonable. Beth gcsolita...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I am looking for a group of solid fjords for a lesson program. I am located in Colorado. Please let me know if anyone has several trained fjords for sale at reasonable prices. Under $2,000. Amy Schnelle, Spirit Lake Farm. -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: fjo...@hughes.net Beth - I happen to agree with you - however, there are people that cannot afford to feed their horses. Here in Oregon there are 100s of well trained horses given away daily. Our rescues farms are full of horses all ages all training levels. No one is buying horses out here. There is a point in some families where it is better to take a loss than to not feed the family. I know of Fjords that the owners are almost starving in order to feed their horses...the owners would love to sell but there are no takers. Even at a discount from $8500 down to $3500 for well trained and behaving Fjords. Almost daily I get calls asking me to buy. If I had the extra cash... I would be buying up all the trained Fjords right now... the future will only get better at this point and all someone has to do is feed and care for them for a few years and wait until the market goes up. Fjords are never at $500 when I am looking to buy... (giggle) We held up on selling our young stock in hopes that the market will get better. We at least can afford to feed them and have vet and farrier work done on them. Not all people can right now. Now more than ever, we need to pick up the spare change and get these Fjords onto farms that can afford to care for them until the market gets better. $1000 + a year is about right for cost in bringing up a horse. That does not even consider your personal time you spend loving on and training on them. Going out to clean stalls and hug our fjords. Thankful that we have a hay barn and there is enough to last the winter. Not thankful that it is snowing today... (ah ha) Catherine Lassesen fjo...@hughes.net 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon www.Hestehaven.com www.NorwegianBuhund.us Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:22 am Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Your figures are quite in line and this supposes nothing for the year in utero and breeding fees to get the foal on the ground. However, in this current environment, there may be people out there who have to downsize. Anyone who gets a horse at this price needs to realize it is a fire sale, not a reasonable price for the owner breeder. I decided not to breed any last year or this year due to the cost of hay which doubled and the shaky economy. However, I do not have any that I would consider parting with for that price that are even green-broke let alone solid mature horses. This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net Beth gcsolita...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I am looking for a group of solid fjords for a lesson program. I am located in Colorado. Please let me know if anyone has several trained fjords for sale at reasonable prices. Under $2,000. Amy Schnelle, Spirit Lake Farm. -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Eric Kozowski e...@kozowski.com Starfire Farm wrote: So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? I have some thoughts based on what I've seen in the horse market in the last year. Raising horses, especially right now, is not a money making proposition. These is a glut of horses on the market right now and even well trained horses (not necessarily Fjords) can be had for under $2000. At even the big auctions, like Billings, nicely trained horses were going for $500-$2000. Colts were bringing $50-$250. Hermiston was about the same. Horses are luxury items (unless you're a professional cowboy) and people are cutting way back on spending on luxury items. If you are trying to sell horses right now, you have a couple of options: 1) Keep firm to your higher price and be willing to wait quite a while for the right buyer to come along 2) Lower your price Anyone that is breeding horses right now, with the intent to sell them, is completely foolish. Especially if you are going to try and sell an untrained colt. -- Eric Kozowski Joseph, OR You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse. - Charles M. Russell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: katesei...@aol.com No, it's not reasonable at all. But these are getting to be pretty desperate times and may be feasible in this environment. My biggest worry with something like this is that people will sell how is the best way to put thisless than well trained fjords to a program that needs really solid horses, and someone is going to end up disappointed, or even worse, seriously hurt. You all know I adore my Joe with heart and soul - but he was my first solid lesson in you get what you pay for. He was a bargain priced Fjord (at $4,000), and while he is the pony of my heart, and actually has some very good training, he would never make a good lesson horse. I paid much more for Miss Della, and she was worth every penny. Kate with Joe and Della (who came galloping up to see me today, but only because it was time to take off the grazing muzzles) ** In a message dated 2/26/2009 12:20:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, starfiref...@usa.net writes: A price of less than 50% of that financial cost just doesn't sound reasonable. Desperate, maybe, but not reasonable. **Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filingncid=emlcntusyelp0004) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I agree with you completely. I have 20 Morgan show horses. the average cost to have a baby trained to the age of three is is $27,000 in the state of colorado with a local trainer, that includes board. However as you stated that does not include farrier services, vet services, breeding fees, or anything else.. However, if we were all to put prices on our horses by the amount of money that we had sunk into them by the age of three we would all own million dollar horses Nothing works that way. A horses value is what you are willing to pay. if one looks at the amount of money that they will drop into their horses over the next year, what is their true worth?. Do you add it to their price? Or do you subtract that price from your bills for the next year? Desperate fine, if you know anyone that is desperate and wants their horse to have an amazing home let me know I have a Morgan Grand National Champion, 15 years old, for sale today for $3,500 he could take you to the world, am I desperate to sell, no I want him to have a great new home where people will enjoy him. Children that want to show. Enjoy the morgan breed, that has out priced itself to those that are less fortunate. Call me crazy! By the way if the horses are started I can finish them.. -Original Message- From: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 9:59 am Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net  I'm sorry, but I just can't get by the notion that under $2,000.00 for a trained Fjord, especially well trained enough to be a reliable horse for a lesson program, is a reasonable price.  At a basic minimum, the financial cost (only the financial cost) of raising a horse is about $1,000.00 per year (plus or minus, depending on the cost of hay, veterinary services, farrier services, etc. and the fluctuation of those expenses). Multiply that by at least 3 or 4 years (depending upon when the owner decides to start the horse under saddle or in harness). Add the time or finances to have the horse trained, or the time to train the horse yourself, to the capablity of being a good lesson horse and you probably have -at the very least- another $1,500.00 (minimum) to $3,000.00, depending upon the quality of the training. So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse.  Anyone else have thoughts on this?  A price of less than 50% of that financial cost just doesn't sound reasonable. Desperate, maybe, but not reasonable.  Beth  gcsolita...@aol.com wrote:  This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com  I am looking for a group of solid fjords for a lesson program. I am located in Colorado. Please let me know if anyone has several trained fjords for sale at reasonable prices. Under $2,000.    Amy Schnelle,  Spirit Lake Farm.        -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com  Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f  Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com Eric thank you, my thoughts exactly. Amy Schnelle -Original Message- From: Eric Kozowski e...@kozowski.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:16 am Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Eric Kozowski e...@kozowski.com Starfire Farm wrote: So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? I have some thoughts based on what I've seen in the horse market in the last year. Raising horses, especially right now, is not a money making proposition. These is a glut of horses on the market right now and even well trained horses (not necessarily Fjords) can be had for under $2000. At even the big auctions, like Billings, nicely trained horses were going for $500-$2000. Colts were bringing $50-$250. Hermiston was about the same. Horses are luxury items (unless you're a professional cowboy) and people are cutting way back on spending on luxury items. If you are trying to sell horses right now, you have a couple of options: 1) Keep firm to your higher price and be willing to wait quite a while for the right buyer to come along 2) Lower your price Anyone that is breeding horses right now, with the intent to sell them, is completely foolish. Especially if you are going to try and sell an untrained colt. -- Eric Kozowski Joseph, OR You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse. - Charles M. Russell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: summers moore moorl...@sopris.net On Feb 26, 2009, at 12:13 PM, gcsolita...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com Eric thank you, my thoughts exactly. Amy Schnelle -Original Message- From: Eric Kozowski e...@kozowski.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:16 am Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Eric Kozowski e...@kozowski.com Starfire Farm wrote: So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? I have some thoughts based on what I've seen in the horse market in the last year. Raising horses, especially right now, is not a money making proposition. These is a glut of horses on the market right now and even well trained horses (not necessarily Fjords) can be had for under $2000. At even the big auctions, like Billings, nicely trained horses were going for $500-$2000. Colts were bringing $50-$250. Hermiston was about the same. Horses are luxury items (unless you're a professional cowboy) and people are cutting way back on spending on luxury items. If you are trying to sell horses right now, you have a couple of options: 1) Keep firm to your higher price and be willing to wait quite a while for the right buyer to come along 2) Lower your price Anyone that is breeding horses right now, with the intent to sell them, is completely foolish. Especially if you are going to try and sell an untrained colt. -- Eric Kozowski Joseph, OR You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse. - Charles M. Russell Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: gcsolita...@aol.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:16 pm Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com You are not crazy. While I am not breeding any right now I am trading two very nice youngsters to my farrier for horsetrimming and help with draft training probably worth far less than the 2000 each that the earlier post was looking for. He is wonderful with horses, has 11 kids in a combined family, from a religious sect similar to the mennonite and amish and who are living and making a living off a tiny rocky farm. His oldest children are all girls and not only love horses but have been working with colts for a few years. They will use these horses well and humanely, and although they wont be going to shows, they will be very much a part of the family for a long time. As long as I can afford the hay and care, I am less worried about selling, than making a match. Even in good times, it is problematci to make a living raising horses. You have to be in it for other reasons too. This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I agree with you completely. I have 20 Morgan show horses. the average cost to Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: spiek...@isu.edu Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:01 pm Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com PS, I am retired, trying to live on a tanked -strike that-gone 401K. I have a small organic plant nursery. I introduce the horses to visitors and customers as the front end of the production line for the plants-they turn the 32 tons of hay and 20 acres of pasture into at least that much manure which heats the coldframes, feeds the worms, which feed the chickens and ultimately the strawberries, raaspberries, bedding plants and mushrooms. The customers get a kick out of it but it is true. I make a whole lot more off the fruits and plants than the horses, but I couldn't grow the plants without the horses. I will work part time teaching jobs to make sure i can buy hay for the winter for them. On a more serious side, I do try to make sure that every horse I have has basic training under saddle and in harness, so there is a better chance of placing them should things not work out.   This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: gcsolita...@aol.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:16 pm Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com You are not crazy.� While I am not breeding any right now I am trading two Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Well, exactly, Beth. No matter what the breed, a well trained horse is not likely to be found at that price unless it is old. Nothing wrong with an old horse.I rather like them, but, age brings it's own issues. Linda Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:59:03 -0700 From: starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net I'm sorry, but I just can't get by the notion that under $2,000.00 for a trained Fjord, especially well trained enough to be a reliable horse for a lesson program, is a reasonable price. At a basic minimum, the financial cost (only the financial cost) of raising a horse is about $1,000.00 per year (plus or minus, depending on the cost of hay, veterinary services, farrier services, etc. and the fluctuation of those expenses). Multiply that by at least 3 or 4 years (depending upon when the owner decides to start the horse under saddle or in harness). Add the time or finances to have the horse trained, or the time to train the horse yourself, to the capablity of being a good lesson horse and you probably have -at the very least- another $1,500.00 (minimum) to $3,000.00, depending upon the quality of the training. So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? A price of less than 50% of that financial cost just doesn't sound reasonable. Desperate, maybe, but not reasonable. Beth gcsolita...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I am looking for a group of solid fjords for a lesson program. I am located in Colorado. Please let me know if anyone has several trained fjords for sale at reasonable prices. Under $2,000. Amy Schnelle, Spirit Lake Farm. -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com What do you consider OLD? -Original Message- From: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 4:21 pm Subject: RE: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Well, exactly, Beth. No matter what the breed, a well trained horse is not likely to be found at that price unless it is old. Nothing wrong with an old horse.I rather like them, but, age brings it's own issues. Linda Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:59:03 -0700 From: starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net I'm sorry, but I just can't get by the notion that under $2,000.00 for a trained Fjord, especially well trained enough to be a reliable horse for a lesson program, is a reasonable price. At a basic minimum, the financial cost (only the financial cost) of raising a horse is about $1,000.00 per year (plus or minus, depending on the cost of hay, veterinary services, farrier services, etc. and the fluctuation of those expenses). Multiply that by at least 3 or 4 years (depending upon when the owner decides to start the horse under saddle or in harness). Add the time or finances to have the horse trained, or the time to train the horse yourself, to the capablity of being a good lesson horse and you probably have -at the very least- another $1,500.00 (minimum) to $3,000.00, depending upon the quality of the training. So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? A price of less than 50% of that financial cost just doesn't sound reasonable. Desperate, maybe, but not reasonable. Beth gcsolita...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I am looking for a group of solid fjords for a lesson program. I am located in Colorado. Please let me know if anyone has several trained fjords for sale at reasonable prices. Under $2,000. Amy Schnelle, Spirit Lake Farm. -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com 17+ is getting there:) Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:23 -0500 From: gcsolita...@aol.com This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com What do you consider OLD? -Original Message- From: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 4:21 pm Subject: RE: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Well, exactly, Beth. No matter what the breed, a well trained horse is not likely to be found at that price unless it is old. Nothing wrong with an old horse.I rather like them, but, age brings it's own issues. Linda Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:59:03 -0700 From: starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: auction - reasonable prices for Fjords This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net I'm sorry, but I just can't get by the notion that under $2,000.00 for a trained Fjord, especially well trained enough to be a reliable horse for a lesson program, is a reasonable price. At a basic minimum, the financial cost (only the financial cost) of raising a horse is about $1,000.00 per year (plus or minus, depending on the cost of hay, veterinary services, farrier services, etc. and the fluctuation of those expenses). Multiply that by at least 3 or 4 years (depending upon when the owner decides to start the horse under saddle or in harness). Add the time or finances to have the horse trained, or the time to train the horse yourself, to the capablity of being a good lesson horse and you probably have -at the very least- another $1,500.00 (minimum) to $3,000.00, depending upon the quality of the training. So, at a minimum for a 4-5 year old horse, you have a financial investment of at least $5,500.00 for a trained horse. Anyone else have thoughts on this? A price of less than 50% of that financial cost just doesn't sound reasonable. Desperate, maybe, but not reasonable. Beth gcsolita...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: gcsolita...@aol.com I am looking for a group of solid fjords for a lesson program. I am located in Colorado. Please let me know if anyone has several trained fjords for sale at reasonable prices. Under $2,000. Amy Schnelle, Spirit Lake Farm. -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
