Re: injury to stifle

2005-05-18 Thread Amy Goodloe

This message is from: Amy Goodloe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 6:14 AM + 5/18/05, Karen McCarthy wrote:

I have a very good vet clinic nearby that has a couple of excellent leg
vets, and brand new state of the art equipment. Even with all of the
bells and whistles, they could not detect the exact problem + location
w/in her stifle and they usedÝa digital xray and then ultrasound. They
concluded that it was back inside behind the (?) Ýligament


I know it's not always that easy, but at least 
with that kind of equipment you greatly increase 
your chances of finding what's wrong.  Before we 
x-rayed my one mare's stifle, we actually did a 
nuclear bone scan on her (up at CSU), which in 
theory shows up any inflammation in the soft 
tissues or bone remodelling, and we learned from 
that test that the mare had a slightly twisted 
pelvis, possibly due to having torn a ligament 
during foaling.  But the stifle problem didn't 
show up on that test, at least not enough for 
anyone to take notice, so either it didn't exist 
then or it just didn't show up.  However, it 
seems likely that whatever injury was traumatic 
enough to injure the stifle may also be related 
to the twist in the pelvis; either both problems 
are the result of the same injury or possibly the 
twist in the pelvis is the result of compensating 
for the stifle injury.  I guess we'll never know 
for sure.


I've had several other horses with mystery hind 
end problems that we never quite diagnosed, so I 
can relate to your frustration!  One mare I 
bought at a sale because she was so nicely put 
together and had a great mind, and I figured I 
could retrain her jog into something 
approximating a dressage trot.  Well, I came to 
find out that she had most likely broken her 
pelvis at some time in her youth and would never 
do more than jog.  The vet could find some 
evidence of the fracture on a nuclear bone scan, 
but he also suspected some significant soft 
tissue damage deep inside the pelvis and that 
didn't show up.  There is no good way, as of yet, 
to see really deep inside the pelvis structures, 
and yet they seem particularly prone to injury in 
horses.  I had another mare who was hyper mobile 
in her pelvis, and the vets felt that was most 
likely due to a ligament injury while delivering 
a foal.  Apparently that's fairly common.



They also sent me home w/
a tube of Surpass to apply topically to the area.


Have you found that to be effective?  The mare I 
have with a bone spur in her stifle (and also a 
chronically irritated suspensory ligament) 
recently twisted her fetlock on the same leg. 
(Is it any surprise that she's part TB?  I think 
they must be the most injury prone horses on 
earth!)  The vet is going to inject her fetlock 
today and then wants me to use Surpass on the 
area. I haven't used it yet and am skeptical of 
its effectiveness, but maybe it works better than 
topical analgesics do in humans.



They reccomended i do a
joint injection only if there was no significant improvement w/in the
next 6 months. They said they would aslo like to 'scope the joint prior
to an injection.


I've had great luck with having the vet I use do 
joint injections (without scoping them first), 
but I think that's his area of expertise.  The 
mare with the bone spur in her stifle was REALLY 
sore in the stifle until he injected it, and the 
stifle pain has not returned.  Now she just has a 
fetlock injury to contend with.  Because she has 
three issues in the same leg, she's going to be a 
difficult one to ever heal.  And yet she's a 
Second Level school master with a wonderful mind, 
so I'll keep trying.


I'm hoping my Fjords are less prone to injury than my other horses!

--Amy





Re: injury to stifle

2005-05-18 Thread Karen McCarthy
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This winter was a doozey, and my mare Alycia fell/slipped on ice sometime
in late February and injured her RH stifle.

I have a very good vet clinic nearby that has a couple of excellent leg
vets, and brand new state of the art equipment. Even with all of the
bells and whistles, they could not detect the exact problem + location
w/in her stifle and they used a digital xray and then ultrasound. They
concluded that it was back inside behind the (?)  ligament, and gave me
the standard prescription of confining her to a 20' x 24'  paddock and
then walking, and light work like Amy outlined.They also sent me home w/
a tube of Surpass to apply topically to the area. They reccomended i do a
joint injection only if there was no significant improvement w/in the
next 6 months. They said they would aslo like to 'scope the joint prior
to an injection.

Well, 3.5 months later I am now just starting her in very light work;
some days she looks great w/ hardly a miss-step, other days I see her off
steps, so i back off. I am not buteing her at all, but she does get a
regular dose of joint supplement.she is definitely feeling good though,
and make sure she takes it easy when i turn her out in pasture, by
bringing her in early before I round up the others, so she can avoid the
great stampede.

I kind of have a feeling I am going to be dealing with this forever,
which is kind of  a drag, as her younger sibling, idelle is getting much
better on her lame RH foot, recovering almost 90% sound from a streetnail
operation last June. It is bizarre to say the least that this has
happened to them both. Both mares were doing so well as a pair last year;
I am still x-ing my fingers i can drive them again in the future. In the
meantime I am brining along some nice young horses, and competing my
non-fjord, Tom the Trakehener. He's getting his chance to shine this
year, finally, as I have been driving him since he was 3, he's 15 now,
and in his prime (and sound! she says knocking on wood)   KMac

Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, 
Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees





Re: injury to stifle

2005-05-17 Thread Susan Harrison
This message is from: Susan Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello all...thought I would attempt to write the list again.  The last
time, my posts did not go through (for some reason). I need some advice.
I have a friend with a three year old quarter horse gelding that got kicked
in the area of his stifle. He is lame by times and the injury occured at
least two months ago...maybe longer.  What could have happened in there and
has anyone had any experience in treating this injury?  From what I can
gather in an online search, it is very difficult for even a vet to decipher
just what the injury might be.  Suggestions anyone?  She has tried to ride
him and he pulls up lame, he seems to be ok for awhile and then gimpy for
awhile.
Randy and I have been riding Storm and Peppin and are having a great time on
them. The trails are muddy from all the rain but the boys go thru anything
they are pointed atawsome ponies!!!but you all know that Fjords are
awsome! (:  By the way, Peppin's gassy problem that he had, cleared up
when we quit feeding grain. They just get hay and Sunshine plus now.
Whew...what a relief...a clean butt at last. *grin
Well happy trails everyone from Sue in N.B.  (Storm and Peppin's mom)