Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/5/99 1:01:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Brigid, A trainer is a Godsend. They can spot things from the ground that we are doing unknowingly, also ontop the horse. Mine has help a hundredfold. Keep up the trainer work and find a friendlier stable. Denise in Moke. Hill, No. Cal. Thanks, Denise : ) It's hard to admit when you don't know what you're doing and get professional help. But, here goes, *GULP* (swallowing that pride) I admit it! LOL. I'm glad I took the time to get to know my horses and not ask too much of them these first 2 months. But, now it's time to get serious about the training. Brigid
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Brigid, A trainer is a Godsend. They can spot things from the ground that we are doing unknowingly, also ontop the horse. Mine has help a hundredfold. Keep up the trainer work and find a friendlier stable. Denise in Moke. Hill, No. Cal. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: Re: remedial riding, part 2... This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/3/99 8:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brigid, regarding arena work. I would suggest you are as bored as the horses with the arena. Always have something you are working on, leg yields. turn on the fore or haunches, do the latter on a square, etc. It keeps the horse interested and yourself working toward something. Amen. I need help, and have found a trainer I am really pleased with. Unfortunately, my stable owner does not allow outside persons to train. I am having many other problems with this stable, and have decided to move. With a trainer's help I may actually know what I'm doing : ) Brigid
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it really does help if you know what you are doing girl!!! :) :) Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: remedial riding, part 2... This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amen. I need help, and have found a trainer I am really pleased with. Unfortunately, my stable owner does not allow outside persons to train. I am having many other problems with this stable, and have decided to move. With a trainer's help I may actually know what I'm doing : ) Brigid
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/3/99 8:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brigid, regarding arena work. I would suggest you are as bored as the horses with the arena. Always have something you are working on, leg yields. turn on the fore or haunches, do the latter on a square, etc. It keeps the horse interested and yourself working toward something. Amen. I need help, and have found a trainer I am really pleased with. Unfortunately, my stable owner does not allow outside persons to train. I am having many other problems with this stable, and have decided to move. With a trainer's help I may actually know what I'm doing : ) Brigid
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If all your horses were reacting right after shoeing by not going forward, I think it was the right thing to do and stop riding. If you know your horse well and he's usually honest and going, I would trust your hunch on the shoeing. Elaine Olsen Thanks Elaine! This is what I suspected. Their hooves are fine for carrying their own weight, but perhaps my additional weight caused discomfort. If so, I'm glad that (typically Fjord) they stopped rather than trying to throw me : ) Brigid @Mailing-List.net br/pre/td/tr
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid, regarding arena work. I would suggest you are as bored as the horses with the arena. Always have something you are working on, leg yields. turn on the fore or haunches, do the latter on a square, etc. It keeps the horse interested and yourself working toward something. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: remedial riding, part 2... This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy Fjording to All! Anvil's Tommes Rafael are doing very well. They just had new shoes and their sheaths cleaned (yuck!) yesterday. I have ridden both bareback, with a loose ring snaffle. We have walked around the arena, done a few circles/figure-8's, fast/slow pace, and of course whoas : ) Today they both decided to walk halfway around, then stop and refuse to move. I decided it was best to dismount and end for the day, rather than get upset and confuse all three of us. Could their feet be sore from the new shoes, or are they just pulling a fast one on me? In either case, what should I do? Brigid in CA
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bridged, I have had horses get sore after shoeing when they were either cut too short, or too much sole was removed. Sometimes, they are not lame, but foot sore and sore with hoof testers. They might not be sore on the nails, but sore right under the shoe. I find that this breed does not have a lot of sole and it is important that farriers do not carve it away. If all your horses were reacting right after shoeing by not going forward, I think it was the right thing to do and stop riding. If you know your horse well and he's usually honest and going, I would trust your hunch on the shoeing. Elaine Olsen
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Jenn Hammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. Next time take each horse in the ring by it's self. It might help them listen to you better. Welcome. Kay. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/2/99 3:24:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all never just stop when A horse stops. And if thay are sore from the shoe get a new blacksmith. Hi Kay- I realize I reinforced their wrong behavior, that is, stopping when they feel like it. But I chose it over getting frustrated/upset and confusing all 3 of us. I figured it was best to consult the list and others more knowledgeable before moving on. They show no lameness at all from the shoes. It was just a thought -- I always like to rule out physical problems before assuming it's behavioral. Brigid _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/2/99 3:24:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all never just stop when A horse stops. And if thay are sore from the shoe get a new blacksmith. Hi Kay- I realize I reinforced their wrong behavior, that is, stopping when they feel like it. But I chose it over getting frustrated/upset and confusing all 3 of us. I figured it was best to consult the list and others more knowledgeable before moving on. They show no lameness at all from the shoes. It was just a thought -- I always like to rule out physical problems before assuming it's behavioral. Brigid
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Jenn Hammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi this is Kay. First of all never just stop when A horse stops. And if thay are sore from the shoe get a new blacksmith. thanks Kay --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy Fjording to All! Anvil's Tommes Rafael are doing very well. They just had new shoes and their sheaths cleaned (yuck!) yesterday. I have ridden both bareback, with a loose ring snaffle. We have walked around the arena, done a few circles/figure-8's, fast/slow pace, and of course whoas : ) Today they both decided to walk halfway around, then stop and refuse to move. I decided it was best to dismount and end for the day, rather than get upset and confuse all three of us. Could their feet be sore from the new shoes, or are they just pulling a fast one on me? In either case, what should I do? Brigid in CA _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great advice, Jean! I figured getting off their backs and on the ground, back to basics, was the answer. Smart fellows, they have likely figured out that when mounted I can't drive them with gestures and the whip as I do on the ground. I totally agree with not kicking them. I have known horses whose riders and even trainers literally kicked the s*** out of them to get them to move. It makes me sick to see this, and of course they had no success! I will try a riding whip next time. When longing ground driving, I use a 5 foot whip. I seldom have to touch them, usually just pointing and moving it around does the trick. When I do touch, it's just that, touch. I really want them to stay responsive to light touches and pressures. Thanks Again, Brigid
Re: remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid, Maybe thy're bored? Or I suppose their feet could be sore, except my horse never have sore feet after shoeing with my farrier...but it IS a possibility. Have they learned to go forward when ground driving with a touch of the whip on the side where the leg would go? go back to basics and reinforce your leg, with a touch of the whip if they don't respond. They should think of the whip as a signal and correction but not be afraid of it (I carry one on trail rides and Bjorken knows that he's supposed to keep his head out of the grass...but I can brush mosquitoes off of him with it and he know I'm using for that..not to signal him!) You maybe should ground drive them to see how they move, and reinforce your command to go forward, Then if they seem ok (not foot sore, and moving forward,) ride them and use the riding whip to reinforce the go forward command from your leg. (Squeeze your legs..if no response tap with the whip, no response tap harder till he moves, then go back to the leg...don't just kick and kick..They get dull to the leg..don't use the whip all the time either..Don't tap all the time. and go back to the lightest tap that will bring a response. Leave them alone when they are moving forward..Maybe your balance was telling them to stop. Hope this helps, Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another gorgeous (hot) day! 85 degrees Today they both decided to walk halfway around, then stop and refuse to move. I decided it was best to dismount and end for the day, rather than get upset and confuse all three of us. Could their feet be sore from the new shoes, or are they just pulling a fast one on me? In either case, what should I do? Brigid in CA Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
remedial riding, part 2...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy Fjording to All! Anvil's Tommes Rafael are doing very well. They just had new shoes and their sheaths cleaned (yuck!) yesterday. I have ridden both bareback, with a loose ring snaffle. We have walked around the arena, done a few circles/figure-8's, fast/slow pace, and of course whoas : ) Today they both decided to walk halfway around, then stop and refuse to move. I decided it was best to dismount and end for the day, rather than get upset and confuse all three of us. Could their feet be sore from the new shoes, or are they just pulling a fast one on me? In either case, what should I do? Brigid in CA
