Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
Hi there, I think they've already said that although Apollo is going to support HTML pages, it will not support anything but PDFs, Flash and HTML. I mean, no Quicktime, wmf or stuff like that. On 4/19/07, thotskee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @ben: excellent point! i hadnt thought about the HTML embed route, that's def. something to think about. i want to try it actually just to see what happens. @jon: i'm not familiar with libavec but that is def something to think about and look into as well. it seems like apollo is going to have to support the other video formats at some point to really compete with other desktop authoring environments. also what about artemis right? seems like there may be a way to do something similar for video... (all of this total speculation here too btw, just thinking out loud with you guys.) a little off the original subject, i think it's very cool that this is the first app by adobe in apollo. my suspicion is that this is going to help get the runtime out there. thanks again for the replies guys, awesome input!! - Original Message - From: Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..?? On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:49 PM, ben gomez farrell wrote: I'd say it stands a decent chance of supporting a bunch of formats eventually. Remember this thing is built on Apollo, and you can build your Apollo app with HTML. Maybe Apollo won't support HTML pages with plugins (except for Flash) at launch, but it would be in their best interest to render webpages as they appear in your browser, which means bringing in Quicktime support and others. Just speculation though! Initially there is not going to be any support for any motion video format other than FLV. In the 1.0 release, Adobe 'might' include the ability to run external applications to handle a file of a certain type, but it definitely won't be integrated into the application any time soon. Although WebKit includes support for plugin libraries, Adobe might be getting itself into a legal quagmire if it tried to 'pipe' the video data through any other player plugin (WMP, Quicktime, Real) into it's own interface. That remains to be seen though. All they'd really need to do to kill other media players would be to add support for the libavec libraries (FFMpeg and MPlayer) and they'd be able to playback a few hundred different formats. Definitely going to be interesting though ... - jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- Juan Delgado - Zárate http://zarate.tv http://dandolachapa.com http://loqueyosede.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:49 PM, ben gomez farrell wrote: I'd say it stands a decent chance of supporting a bunch of formats eventually. Remember this thing is built on Apollo, and you can build your Apollo app with HTML. Maybe Apollo won't support HTML pages with plugins (except for Flash) at launch, but it would be in their best interest to render webpages as they appear in your browser, which means bringing in Quicktime support and others. Just speculation though! Initially there is not going to be any support for any motion video format other than FLV. In the 1.0 release, Adobe 'might' include the ability to run external applications to handle a file of a certain type, but it definitely won't be integrated into the application any time soon. Although WebKit includes support for plugin libraries, Adobe might be getting itself into a legal quagmire if it tried to 'pipe' the video data through any other player plugin (WMP, Quicktime, Real) into it's own interface. That remains to be seen though. All they'd really need to do to kill other media players would be to add support for the libavec libraries (FFMpeg and MPlayer) and they'd be able to playback a few hundred different formats. Definitely going to be interesting though ... - jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
@ben: excellent point! i hadnt thought about the HTML embed route, that's def. something to think about. i want to try it actually just to see what happens. @jon: i'm not familiar with libavec but that is def something to think about and look into as well. it seems like apollo is going to have to support the other video formats at some point to really compete with other desktop authoring environments. also what about artemis right? seems like there may be a way to do something similar for video... (all of this total speculation here too btw, just thinking out loud with you guys.) a little off the original subject, i think it's very cool that this is the first app by adobe in apollo. my suspicion is that this is going to help get the runtime out there. thanks again for the replies guys, awesome input!! - Original Message - From: Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..?? On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:49 PM, ben gomez farrell wrote: I'd say it stands a decent chance of supporting a bunch of formats eventually. Remember this thing is built on Apollo, and you can build your Apollo app with HTML. Maybe Apollo won't support HTML pages with plugins (except for Flash) at launch, but it would be in their best interest to render webpages as they appear in your browser, which means bringing in Quicktime support and others. Just speculation though! Initially there is not going to be any support for any motion video format other than FLV. In the 1.0 release, Adobe 'might' include the ability to run external applications to handle a file of a certain type, but it definitely won't be integrated into the application any time soon. Although WebKit includes support for plugin libraries, Adobe might be getting itself into a legal quagmire if it tried to 'pipe' the video data through any other player plugin (WMP, Quicktime, Real) into it's own interface. That remains to be seen though. All they'd really need to do to kill other media players would be to add support for the libavec libraries (FFMpeg and MPlayer) and they'd be able to playback a few hundred different formats. Definitely going to be interesting though ... - jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
Flashcoders, Anyone have any thoughts on what the Adobe Media Player means for Youtube/Brightcove/Veoh/Google Video/etc. ? Thanks, ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:09 PM, thotskee wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on what the Adobe Media Player means for Youtube/Brightcove/Veoh/Google Video/etc. ? My guess is ... not too much. My take on it: It's just a glorified FLV player that talks to various video services and can be branded. It obviously can only deal with services that share up FLV files. If it were a full Media Player in the sense of being platform and format agnostic, then Adobe would have something to shake a stick at. I'm not quite sure what the big deal is really supposed to be. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes, but it looks to me like something a few advanced flex/flash developers could knock out in a couple weeks, or less. my 0.02. jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
@jon, thanks for the reply. i appreciate your feedback. what if adobe does offer support for other video formats though? (pure speculation btw) anyone else care to share? thanks again jon. - Original Message - From: Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..?? On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:09 PM, thotskee wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on what the Adobe Media Player means for Youtube/Brightcove/Veoh/Google Video/etc. ? My guess is ... not too much. My take on it: It's just a glorified FLV player that talks to various video services and can be branded. It obviously can only deal with services that share up FLV files. If it were a full Media Player in the sense of being platform and format agnostic, then Adobe would have something to shake a stick at. I'm not quite sure what the big deal is really supposed to be. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes, but it looks to me like something a few advanced flex/flash developers could knock out in a couple weeks, or less. my 0.02. jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..??
I'd say it stands a decent chance of supporting a bunch of formats eventually. Remember this thing is built on Apollo, and you can build your Apollo app with HTML. Maybe Apollo won't support HTML pages with plugins (except for Flash) at launch, but it would be in their best interest to render webpages as they appear in your browser, which means bringing in Quicktime support and others. Just speculation though! ben thotskee wrote: @jon, thanks for the reply. i appreciate your feedback. what if adobe does offer support for other video formats though? (pure speculation btw) anyone else care to share? thanks again jon. - Original Message - From: Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Media Player vs. the competition..?? On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:09 PM, thotskee wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on what the Adobe Media Player means for Youtube/Brightcove/Veoh/Google Video/etc. ? My guess is ... not too much. My take on it: It's just a glorified FLV player that talks to various video services and can be branded. It obviously can only deal with services that share up FLV files. If it were a full Media Player in the sense of being platform and format agnostic, then Adobe would have something to shake a stick at. I'm not quite sure what the big deal is really supposed to be. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes, but it looks to me like something a few advanced flex/flash developers could knock out in a couple weeks, or less. my 0.02. jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
