Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-02-02 Thread beno - 
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Steven Sacks wrote:

> Quite frankly, it boggles my mind anyone ever answers beno's posts with any
> level of seriousness. He's the love child of a troll and a help vampire.
>
> "How hard would [building a MySQL equivalent db in AS3] be? Tell me..."
>

Well I don't know. You know because you have more experience than I.

>
> I think beno is a 4channer and is secretly laughing at how many people
> provide serious responses to such inanity.


Don't be a fool. Don't call me names. Be mature in your responses.
beno

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-02-01 Thread Steven Sacks 
Quite frankly, it boggles my mind anyone ever answers beno's posts with any 
level of seriousness. He's the love child of a troll and a help vampire.


"How hard would [building a MySQL equivalent db in AS3] be? Tell me..."

I think beno is a 4channer and is secretly laughing at how many people provide 
serious responses to such inanity.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-02-01 Thread Gustavo Duenas 
Hi glen, sorry I catch Beno request before the ugh php, personally  
I've never used python, I've never had to. But would you mind to tell  
me of a website or tutorial where I can learn to make an app using  
amfphp with flash rather than the one is on the amfphp website...it  
seems too obscure for me,. I'd appreciate any enlightenment about ti.


Gustavo

;)

seems that I might need that kind of approach because I'd like to put  
all the text of my site on a mysql rather than .txt files





On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Glen Pike wrote:

FYI - Beno expressed a preference for Python, I think he does not  
like PHP, he said "oh...ugh...php".


Me - used to PHP, but liking some of Python's powerful list stuff,  
(not using it for web and thoroughly enjoying that fact :)


Beno - BTW, if you can write classes in Python you can write classes  
in PHP too.  Not sure about the comparison between functional PHP &  
functional Python though.  If you want to leverage your AS3 to  
Python backend stuff.  Have a look at PyAMF or some of the other  
systems that may be out there.  AMFPHP & PyAMF supports passing SQL  
recordsets straight back to Flash which is really powerful - you can  
just pass the SQL query result straight back to Flash and set it as  
the dataprovider for data-grids.  I have never used PyAMF, but the  
PHP version is nice and AMF remoting is worth looking at if you plan  
to do a lot of Flash->Server communication, why?


http://www.jamesward.com/census/

HTH

Glen

Gustavo Duenas wrote:

Hi Beno, you can try this one:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/brimelow_lee/php_mysql/video-tutorial.php

here is a tutorial how to use php + mysql and flash, but is as Glen  
wrote, it is servce side, you have to have a server in order to  
prove it, or at least use mamp on your mac or whatever the kind is  
for windows.


Regards,

Gus
On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Glen Pike wrote:

I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client  
side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your  
webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work.


Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect  
directly to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3- 
MySQL engine but they are usually not "complete" or mature like  
libs for PHP, Python, etc. etc.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=as3+mysql

beno - wrote:

Hi;
It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very  
sophisticated AS3
language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any  
database
engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will  
there be?

beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-02-01 Thread Glen Pike 
FYI - Beno expressed a preference for Python, I think he does not like 
PHP, he said "oh...ugh...php".


Me - used to PHP, but liking some of Python's powerful list stuff, (not 
using it for web and thoroughly enjoying that fact :)


Beno - BTW, if you can write classes in Python you can write classes in 
PHP too.  Not sure about the comparison between functional PHP & 
functional Python though.  If you want to leverage your AS3 to Python 
backend stuff.  Have a look at PyAMF or some of the other systems that 
may be out there.  AMFPHP & PyAMF supports passing SQL recordsets 
straight back to Flash which is really powerful - you can just pass the 
SQL query result straight back to Flash and set it as the dataprovider 
for data-grids.  I have never used PyAMF, but the PHP version is nice 
and AMF remoting is worth looking at if you plan to do a lot of 
Flash->Server communication, why?


http://www.jamesward.com/census/

HTH

Glen

Gustavo Duenas wrote:

Hi Beno, you can try this one:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/brimelow_lee/php_mysql/video-tutorial.php 



here is a tutorial how to use php + mysql and flash, but is as Glen 
wrote, it is servce side, you have to have a server in order to prove 
it, or at least use mamp on your mac or whatever the kind is for windows.


Regards,

Gus
On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Glen Pike wrote:

I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side 
and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver 
with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work.


Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect 
directly to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3-MySQL 
engine but they are usually not "complete" or mature like libs for 
PHP, Python, etc. etc.
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=as3+mysql 



beno - wrote:

Hi;
It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated 
AS3

language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-02-01 Thread Gustavo Duenas 

Hi Beno, here is other to try:

http://www.amfphp.org/

Regards,

gus

I totally agree with the rest of the guys, if you want to communicate  
mysql with flash you would have to use a php or coldfusion page first,  
make this page as xml and then retrieve the info into flash...it seems  
that there is not other way.



On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Glen Pike wrote:

I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client  
side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your  
webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work.


Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect  
directly to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3-MySQL  
engine but they are usually not "complete" or mature like libs for  
PHP, Python, etc. etc.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=as3+mysql

beno - wrote:

Hi;
It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very  
sophisticated AS3
language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any  
database
engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there  
be?

beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-02-01 Thread Gustavo Duenas 

Hi Beno, you can try this one:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/brimelow_lee/php_mysql/video-tutorial.php

here is a tutorial how to use php + mysql and flash, but is as Glen  
wrote, it is servce side, you have to have a server in order to prove  
it, or at least use mamp on your mac or whatever the kind is for  
windows.


Regards,

Gus
On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Glen Pike wrote:

I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client  
side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your  
webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work.


Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect  
directly to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3-MySQL  
engine but they are usually not "complete" or mature like libs for  
PHP, Python, etc. etc.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=as3+mysql

beno - wrote:

Hi;
It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very  
sophisticated AS3
language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any  
database
engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there  
be?

beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread beno - 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Micky Hulse wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Glen Pike 
> wrote:
> > I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and
> > MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with
> Flash
> > and get server side code to do the MySQL work.
>
> What Glen says makes a lot of sense to me. :)
>
> Original poster: Check out PHP or Python frameworks, such as:
>
> * CodeIgniter: 
> * Django 
>
> Once you learn the basics, both make it really easy to connect to your
> db and such.
>

I've already written my shopping cart in python, so I'll stick with that. I
was just thinking it would be cool to write the TTW pages in AS3, but
obviously not for the security risk.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Micky Hulse 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Glen Pike  wrote:
> I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and
> MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with Flash
> and get server side code to do the MySQL work.

What Glen says makes a lot of sense to me. :)

Original poster: Check out PHP or Python frameworks, such as:

* CodeIgniter: 
* Django 

Once you learn the basics, both make it really easy to connect to your
db and such.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Dave Watts 
>> The disadvantage of having your SQL engine in Flash is that someone can
>> decompile your Flash code and pretty much know all your stuff about your
>> databases by reading the SQL.  Plus, if you have your database username and
>> password in the Flash application, you are fairly f***ed and most system
>> administrators would be laughing you off the park.
>
> Gotcha. So that's the practical necessity of having python (or...ugh...php)
> between Flash and the server.

Even worse than described, you'd have to have your database directly
open to internet clients. This is a big no-no for security reasons.
And, even if you did have it directly open, many clients would be
blocked from making connections to arbitrary ports on remote servers
for security reasons of their own.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Glen Pike 

In the style of George Formby (Jr)

Matt S. wrote:

I think "beno" needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts.

.m

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Merrill, Jason
 wrote:
  

LOL, oh beno, I love your posts, you crack me up!




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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Kerry Thompson 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Matt S.  wrote:
> I think "beno" needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts.

How about the theme from "Gilligan's Island"?

Cordially,

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Sören Meyer-Eppler 
> I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side
> and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver
> with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work.

I for one would have loved to have a SQLite based server-less
database on the client. That would allow you to do cool stuff like
download all your configuration and client data as a compressed
binary SQLite database and use proper SQL to query it. I believe AIR
applications already have this luxury, but I'd like it for browser
based flash as well. Would be very useful to me indeed.

cheers,

Sören
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread beno - 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Matt S.  wrote:

> I think "beno" needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts.
>

I'm actually a singer/songwriter. Don't go there, Matt LOL!
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread beno - 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Glen Pike wrote:

> The disadvantage of having your SQL engine in Flash is that someone can
> decompile your Flash code and pretty much know all your stuff about your
> databases by reading the SQL.  Plus, if you have your database username and
> password in the Flash application, you are fairly f***ed and most system
> administrators would be laughing you off the park.


Gotcha. So that's the practical necessity of having python (or...ugh...php)
between Flash and the server.
Thanks,
beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Matt S. 
I think "beno" needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts.

.m

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Merrill, Jason
 wrote:
> LOL, oh beno, I love your posts, you crack me up!
>
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Merrill, Jason 
>> Does Flash *have* to be client side or is this just a built-in
prejudice
>>from a history of having been such? That is, what's the harm of
redefining
>>Flash's purpose?


LOL, oh beno, I love your posts, you crack me up! 



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Glen Pike 
Flash has to run client side because once it's served from a server, the 
server can't run the code on it's own processor anymore, unless you want 
something like X-Windows. It's not prejudice, it's due to the the way 
computers started to work round-about the 80's when people could afford 
home computers and did not have to use giant mainframes with remote 
terminals (screen + keyboard).




Does Flash *have* to be client side or is this just a built-in prejudice
from a history of having been such? That is, what's the harm of redefining
Flash's purpose?

  
The disadvantage of having your SQL engine in Flash is that someone can 
decompile your Flash code and pretty much know all your stuff about your 
databases by reading the SQL.  Plus, if you have your database username 
and password in the Flash application, you are fairly f***ed and most 
system administrators would be laughing you off the park.

Yeah, I'm not ready to do that just now. I was just thinking about my
shopping cart and how cool it would be to rewrite at least the pages that
the end user sees in AS3. But that would require a MySQL engine. Well, how
hard would it be? Tell me...
beno
  
MySQL engine - how hard?  How long is a piece of string? I mean you just 
have to talk to the server on port 3306 and handle all communications 
with it, personally, I would leave that to the teams of people who right 
these things for other languages rather than re-invent the wheel all the 
time.  Unless someone is paying you to do it, or you are a bored, 
masochistic, trustafarian.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Nathan Mynarcik 
Beno, you are going to have to use PHP. AS3->PHP->MySQL

There is a lot of stuff out on the net about this. 
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> AS3 language,there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database 
> engine)

I am just looking at AS3 documentation right now; there are 19 classes
begin with the word "SQL". I wonder if they are something to do with
database... (OK, they are AIR only but they are still AS3 :)

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On 29 January 2010 13:37, beno -  wrote:
> Hi;
> It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3
> language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
> engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
> beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread tom rhodes 
"Does Flash *have* to be client side"

in the sense that it is a plugin loaded into the browser of ther client's
computer.

yes.

On 29 January 2010 15:29, kennethkawam...@gmail.com <
kennethkawam...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > AS3 language,there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any
> database engine)
>
> I am just looking at AS3 documentation right now; there are 19 classes
> begin with the word "SQL". I wonder if they are something to do with
> database... (OK, they are AIR only but they are still AS3 :)
>
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>
> On 29 January 2010 13:37, beno -  wrote:
> > Hi;
> > It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3
> > language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
> > engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
> > beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread kennethkawam...@gmail.com 
> AS3 language,there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database 
> engine)

I am just looking at AS3 documentation right now; there are 19 classes
begin with the word "SQL". I wonder if they are something to do with
database... (OK, they are AIR only but they are still AS3 :)

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On 29 January 2010 13:37, beno -  wrote:
> Hi;
> It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3
> language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
> engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
> beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread beno - 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Glen Pike wrote:

> I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and
> MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with Flash
> and get server side code to do the MySQL work.
>

Does Flash *have* to be client side or is this just a built-in prejudice
from a history of having been such? That is, what's the harm of redefining
Flash's purpose?

>
> Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect directly
> to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3-MySQL engine but they
> are usually not "complete" or mature like libs for PHP, Python, etc. etc.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=as3+mysql


Yeah, I'm not ready to do that just now. I was just thinking about my
shopping cart and how cool it would be to rewrite at least the pages that
the end user sees in AS3. But that would require a MySQL engine. Well, how
hard would it be? Tell me...
beno

>
>
> beno - wrote:
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>> Hi;
>> It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3
>> language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
>> engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread Glen Pike 
I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side 
and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver 
with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work.


Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect 
directly to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3-MySQL 
engine but they are usually not "complete" or mature like libs for PHP, 
Python, etc. etc.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=as3+mysql

beno - wrote:

Hi;
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language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread tom rhodes 
beno, just 2 minutes and google will bring you thousands of results of
mysql>php>flash communication. not to mention asp, or sockets, or java, or
neko, or flash remoting...


On 29 January 2010 14:37, beno -  wrote:

> Hi;
> It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3
> language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
> engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
> beno
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[Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL

2010-01-29 Thread beno - 
Hi;
It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3
language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database
engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be?
beno
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