RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
AFAIK PPC and WIN CE aren't the same architecture? Surely Win Ce stuff has to be compiled specifically for a porcessor? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Watts Sent: 21 April 2006 00:09 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al. Yep :) It works fine with version 6 player for the PPC. They just released version 7 for PPC, actually: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer_pocketpc/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
There's already a Windows CE ActiveX Control, so I'm not sure about the compiling ourselves angle...? Where can I get this? Could this be the issue? This week, I discovered that there were some backend changes as part of our transition that affected the player distribution licensing process. For anyone that submitted a request for the SWF spec or an information request through our online license forms after January 14th, your information was not lost but is currently inaccessible because it landed in a different queue. We are working to resolve this asap, and we apologize for these delays and any inconvenience. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2006/02/lost_in_tr ansit.cfm Sounds probable... The Player SDK License Request Form does provide guidance at the bottom that a reply should be expected within seven business days, so if the gap is longer than that then we've got something to fix. It's been about 3 weeks now...so yes definitely some fixing needed. Thanks for chasing this up John, but it hasn't really changed our situation any. M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
We've finally been contacted - thanks for any time invested in this John, although I think the contact was due to some persistant phone calls from our project manager. I'm still interested in where I can get the ActiveX control for Win CE from as that could be a quick fix for us Cheers Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mountain Sent: 20 April 2006 09:08 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell,Mike Chambers et al. There's already a Windows CE ActiveX Control, so I'm not sure about the compiling ourselves angle...? Where can I get this? Could this be the issue? This week, I discovered that there were some backend changes as part of our transition that affected the player distribution licensing process. For anyone that submitted a request for the SWF spec or an information request through our online license forms after January 14th, your information was not lost but is currently inaccessible because it landed in a different queue. We are working to resolve this asap, and we apologize for these delays and any inconvenience. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2006/02/lost_in_tr ansit.cfm Sounds probable... The Player SDK License Request Form does provide guidance at the bottom that a reply should be expected within seven business days, so if the gap is longer than that then we've got something to fix. It's been about 3 weeks now...so yes definitely some fixing needed. Thanks for chasing this up John, but it hasn't really changed our situation any. M ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
We're trying to get hold of the source to compile the flash player for our win CE device, we're testing a number of different processors, but mainly ARM and XSCALE I followed this link: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer_sdk/ And filled in this form: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?event=mmformname=fla shplayer Thanks Mike Mountain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dowdell Sent: 18 April 2006 19:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell,Mike Chambers et al. Mike Mountain wrote: Well we're getting very despondent now. We really want to use flash on our Win CE device - but it would seem the suits in charge of licensing are far too busy to get in touch with us. We've been in contact with Adobe UK, who said they'd 'ping' America for us - We've been in touch with Adobe US who said they'd 'nudge' the EU licensing peeps. But nothing, we're still waiting to hear. Were you trying to get the Flash Player source code for porting yourself elsewhere? Which website address is the relevant page? (This would allow me to target internal queries, thanks.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
If that's anything like the desktop Flash player SDK, you'll be in for a dissappoinment. That SDK is merely a bytecode description for building SWF compilers. That I know of, there is absolutely no way to attain the Flash player source. That's Macromedia's closely guarded secret, which, along with their license depicting that no-one may create their own, makes Flash theres alone! Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mountain Sent: 19 April 2006 09:27 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell,Mike Chambers et al. We're trying to get hold of the source to compile the flash player for our win CE device, we're testing a number of different processors, but mainly ARM and XSCALE I followed this link: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer_sdk/ And filled in this form: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?event=mmformname=fla shplayer Thanks Mike Mountain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dowdell Sent: 18 April 2006 19:35 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell,Mike Chambers et al. Mike Mountain wrote: Well we're getting very despondent now. We really want to use flash on our Win CE device - but it would seem the suits in charge of licensing are far too busy to get in touch with us. We've been in contact with Adobe UK, who said they'd 'ping' America for us - We've been in touch with Adobe US who said they'd 'nudge' the EU licensing peeps. But nothing, we're still waiting to hear. Were you trying to get the Flash Player source code for porting yourself elsewhere? Which website address is the relevant page? (This would allow me to target internal queries, thanks.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
That's not true. You can license the Flash Player source code. PS, Mike, last time i researched Flash Player source licensing, Macromedia redirected me to Vibren Technologies: http://www.vibren.com/Eng_Solutions/macromedia_engineering.htm Maybe that helps, cheers, claus. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
Still, I imagine a subscriber would require a very good excuse as to why they required the source :-) Not really.. A subscriber requires to afford the licensing fee. ;) cheers, claus. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
As a thought, though. Is there anyone out there who even thinks they have the skills to develop there own Flash player? The way I see it, so long as it doesn't directly read the SWF format, there would be no license infringement! And one could always create a third party file converter ;) http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ As long as you don't accept Adobes license for the Flash Player File Format docs, you should be free to develop a Flash Player clone that reads SWF. But then again, i'm not a lawyer, but i would guess the GNU foundation consults lawyers to secure their projects. cheers, claus. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
Y'mean like Gnash? http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnash/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee McColl-Sylvester Sent: 19 April 2006 10:19 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell,Mike Chambers et al. Ahhh, I knew a catch would show somewhere. Oh well, that's the way it goes, I suppose. As a thought, though. Is there anyone out there who even thinks they have the skills to develop there own Flash player? The way I see it, so long as it doesn't directly read the SWF format, there would be no license infringement! And one could always create a third party file converter ;) Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Claus Wahlers Sent: 19 April 2006 10:05 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell,Mike Chambers et al. Still, I imagine a subscriber would require a very good excuse as to why they required the source :-) Not really.. A subscriber requires to afford the licensing fee. ;) cheers, claus. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
Mike Mountain wrote: We're trying to get hold of the source to compile the flash player for our win CE device, we're testing a number of different processors, but mainly ARM and XSCALE I followed this link: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer_sdk/ And filled in this form: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?event=mmformname=fla shplayer There's already a Windows CE ActiveX Control, so I'm not sure about the compiling ourselves angle...? Could this be the issue? This week, I discovered that there were some backend changes as part of our transition that affected the player distribution licensing process. For anyone that submitted a request for the SWF spec or an information request through our online license forms after January 14th, your information was not lost but is currently inaccessible because it landed in a different queue. We are working to resolve this asap, and we apologize for these delays and any inconvenience. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2006/02/lost_in_transit.cfm The Player SDK License Request Form does provide guidance at the bottom that a reply should be expected within seven business days, so if the gap is longer than that then we've got something to fix. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Mike Mountain wrote: Well we're getting very despondent now. We really want to use flash on our Win CE device - but it would seem the suits in charge of licensing are far too busy to get in touch with us. We've been in contact with Adobe UK, who said they'd 'ping' America for us - We've been in touch with Adobe US who said they'd 'nudge' the EU licensing peeps. But nothing, we're still waiting to hear. I don't have any problem with you bringing this up here. Seems close enough to On-Topic for me. But, can you tell us what exactly you are trying to negotiate? I'm curious because we have a product in prototype stages which will deliver on PDA as well. Maybe you need the ability to distribute the player... or?? -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Adobe Licensing - FAO John Dowdell, Mike Chambers et al.
Mike Mountain wrote: Well we're getting very despondent now. We really want to use flash on our Win CE device - but it would seem the suits in charge of licensing are far too busy to get in touch with us. We've been in contact with Adobe UK, who said they'd 'ping' America for us - We've been in touch with Adobe US who said they'd 'nudge' the EU licensing peeps. But nothing, we're still waiting to hear. Were you trying to get the Flash Player source code for porting yourself elsewhere? Which website address is the relevant page? (This would allow me to target internal queries, thanks.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
