Re: [Flashcoders] Mac CD Autorunning - slightly OT
Don't know how it applies to auto-run on Mac from a cd, but I was told some
time ago that the best delivery method of projectors to a mac user was to
win-zip the app folder and contents - Mac can natively un-zip and run zipped
files. Might be something to try.
hth,
jimbo
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On 4/25/2008 at 2:42 PM Glen Pike wrote:
Hi,
Slightly OT question, but someone may have an answer.
I have made a Mac projector using Flash CS3 - so have a
projector.app folder.
This shows up like a windows exe icon if I look at the folder on a Mac.
The question is, I am trying to make an ISO image using CDEverywhere,
following some old Hybrid CD instructions that will autorun the Mac
projector.
CD Everywhere lets me specify a file to autorun for the Mac, but
won't let me choose the app folder, so I just typed projector in the
box in the hope it may work:
if(true == Mact.itJustWorks()) {
8-)
}
Not sure if this will work as I don't have access to a Mac at the
moment, does anyone have any tips?
Thanks
Glen
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Re: [Flashcoders] Mac CD Autorunning - slightly OT
Hi,
Thanks for that - I think the HQX file was something similar - it
was a compressed archive, but not sure if you could WinZip, I also
vaguely remembering some articles saying that you had to be careful
doing this because it was not guaranteed to work, but I am not 100% on this.
By the look of it Macs OSX could autorun if you had autoplay
facilities - requires QuickTime 2.0, but they disabled any autorunning
with OSX, a bit dumb from some perspectives, but for the paranoid /
security conscious, it's probably a good thing...
Glen
Jimbo wrote:
Don't know how it applies to auto-run on Mac from a cd, but I was told some
time ago that the best delivery method of projectors to a mac user was to
win-zip the app folder and contents - Mac can natively un-zip and run zipped
files. Might be something to try.
hth,
jimbo
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On 4/25/2008 at 2:42 PM Glen Pike wrote:
Hi,
Slightly OT question, but someone may have an answer.
I have made a Mac projector using Flash CS3 - so have a
projector.app folder.
This shows up like a windows exe icon if I look at the folder on a Mac.
The question is, I am trying to make an ISO image using CDEverywhere,
following some old Hybrid CD instructions that will autorun the Mac
projector.
CD Everywhere lets me specify a file to autorun for the Mac, but
won't let me choose the app folder, so I just typed projector in the
box in the hope it may work:
if(true == Mact.itJustWorks()) {
8-)
}
Not sure if this will work as I don't have access to a Mac at the
moment, does anyone have any tips?
Thanks
Glen
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Re: [Flashcoders] Mac CD Autorunning - slightly OT
There is no autorun on OS X, and disabling it is advisable on OS 9.
Mac users generally know how to launce an app from a CD-ROM - this
statement usually follows the statement above, and it's so true. But I'd
bake the CD with the folder open revealing the app.
Hybrid CD-ROM is usually (if not always) created on Mac using Toast.
Kenneth Kawamoto
http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/
Glen Pike wrote:
Hi,
Slightly OT question, but someone may have an answer.
I have made a Mac projector using Flash CS3 - so have a
projector.app folder.
This shows up like a windows exe icon if I look at the folder on a Mac.
The question is, I am trying to make an ISO image using CDEverywhere,
following some old Hybrid CD instructions that will autorun the Mac
projector.
CD Everywhere lets me specify a file to autorun for the Mac, but won't
let me choose the app folder, so I just typed projector in the box in
the hope it may work:
if(true == Mact.itJustWorks()) {
8-)
}
Not sure if this will work as I don't have access to a Mac at the
moment, does anyone have any tips?
Thanks
Glen
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Re: [Flashcoders] Mac CD Autorunning - slightly OT
Glen, Autorun on the Mac virtually does not exist. Even when it was a QuickTime feature (a long time ago) it was never embraced by the Mac community. As far as I know, it's not possible on contemporary systems. That doesn't mean that there's not a workaround, such as a third-party app that somehow detects that the CD has been inserted and launches something from the CD, etc., but I hedge out of ignorance. I personally think autorun is terrible and significantly intrusive and disable it on all my machines. I do an enormous amount of educational CDs, and producers favor autorun for Windows about half the time. To each his own. In any case, autorun for the Mac is not a reality. Re: how-to, the app and exe files are distinct. When making a hybrid, you can hide each from the other platform. Considering the lifetime of hybrid CDs to date, Win creation of hybrids is relatively recent. Typically, they are usually created using Toast on a Mac. However, these are gross generalities. I've been enthused by Win apps that can make hybrids over the past several years, but have no experience with them. To answer your other questions, any OS X installation can unzip, and supporting OS 9 is an extreme degree of support these days. I say that as a lifetime Mac user that wants Mac support to continue. Even in the educational markets I work in (higher ed) OS 9 is no longer supported. In fact, I've moved away from Stuffit formats because zipping/unzipping is built into the Mac OS and you need to have Stuffit Expander to decompress a BinHex. (The expander is free, but you have to get it if you don't have it, and the way it's distributed these days is massive--no longer a tiny download.) However, that's not a very useful hybrid and is 180 degrees from autorun. This is because you can't just double-click the app. You must first decompress to your hard drive and then double click. The better way to create the hybrid is to have all shared data on one volume (on the Mac, it's the HFS volume), have the Windows-specific files on an ISO partition, and the Mac-specific files on an HFS (HFS+, etc.) partition. I inferred from your email that you had those instructions, but it further implies that you should offer the app, not the zip, so the user can double-click from the CD. I wish I could direct your more specifically on the Win creation of hybrids, but it's not my platform. Rich http://www.LearningActionScript3.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Mac CD Autorunning - slightly OT
Hi, Cool, thanks for the info, that's really useful. CD Everywhere does the hiding element so I have a CD with an app folder for Mac's and an exe + autorun.inf for Windoze - it's easy to use too. The program creates an ISO image, so you can burn with your software of choice... ... so now I feel much more confident that I can offer a tested solution, rather than sending swf's exe's and app folders off untested... I remember the zipped / compressed issue from a previous project - so it looks like Adobe did a good thing with the app replacement - although this threw me a bit when I first published my projector for the Mac - I was able to get hold of a mate to test, but he is not around today, so I am hunting for other people with Mac's in the vicinity. May have to pester the art college across the road... Thanks again for your time for the printing tips too. Will have to do a big blog write up I think because this has been an interesting project covering a lot of challenges and potential issues - may have to do a bit more refactoring first though :) And I don't have to worry too much about bandwidth issues either, although the CD drive in my laptop is particularly noisy when running the app, but then my desktop is whisper quiet, so I guess it's the cheap laptop hardware thing there. At least my CD runs on Vista, which is the new problem child... Glen Rich Shupe wrote: Glen, Autorun on the Mac virtually does not exist. Even when it was a QuickTime feature (a long time ago) it was never embraced by the Mac community. As far as I know, it's not possible on contemporary systems. That doesn't mean that there's not a workaround, such as a third-party app that somehow detects that the CD has been inserted and launches something from the CD, etc., but I hedge out of ignorance. I personally think autorun is terrible and significantly intrusive and disable it on all my machines. I do an enormous amount of educational CDs, and producers favor autorun for Windows about half the time. To each his own. In any case, autorun for the Mac is not a reality. Re: how-to, the app and exe files are distinct. When making a hybrid, you can hide each from the other platform. Considering the lifetime of hybrid CDs to date, Win creation of hybrids is relatively recent. Typically, they are usually created using Toast on a Mac. However, these are gross generalities. I've been enthused by Win apps that can make hybrids over the past several years, but have no experience with them. To answer your other questions, any OS X installation can unzip, and supporting OS 9 is an extreme degree of support these days. I say that as a lifetime Mac user that wants Mac support to continue. Even in the educational markets I work in (higher ed) OS 9 is no longer supported. In fact, I've moved away from Stuffit formats because zipping/unzipping is built into the Mac OS and you need to have Stuffit Expander to decompress a BinHex. (The expander is free, but you have to get it if you don't have it, and the way it's distributed these days is massive--no longer a tiny download.) However, that's not a very useful hybrid and is 180 degrees from autorun. This is because you can't just double-click the app. You must first decompress to your hard drive and then double click. The better way to create the hybrid is to have all shared data on one volume (on the Mac, it's the HFS volume), have the Windows-specific files on an ISO partition, and the Mac-specific files on an HFS (HFS+, etc.) partition. I inferred from your email that you had those instructions, but it further implies that you should offer the app, not the zip, so the user can double-click from the CD. I wish I could direct your more specifically on the Win creation of hybrids, but it's not my platform. Rich http://www.LearningActionScript3.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Glen Pike 01326 218440 www.glenpike.co.uk http://www.glenpike.co.uk ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
