date:20050719











I think the critical factor is the first
flex project. Thats what will make or break the perception of bean
counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all
come into play. That very first project needs to make a statementor you
may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash.



-Stace











From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?





Agree with you. But 125K for a
system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission critical
would seem tiny  probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or
two. I also agree with your choice of wording in
seemingly free alternatives. J



- Rick









From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?







Depends what you're comparing. If I was
atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open
source solutions and then seeing what ourapplication requirements were;
I'd be asking why we were spendingANY thousands of pounds on proprietary
software over seemingly free alternatives. Especiallysince...











We were going to buy something like
8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and
the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.











...I'd be asking why you need more
licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet?











To be fair, we're making judgements on one
piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here
waxing lyrical about his companies policies?











T.











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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Carson Hager






We resell quite a bit of software in our US and European 
offices and that's almost always tariffs and VAT. It's true of just about 
every US software product that exists.


Carson

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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sjors 
PalsSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:46 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I don't think that's true, even at bigger organisations you see a 
shift to use of free (opensource) software.Even when 225k is not a lot of 
money for a company, if you can safe it, its easy money.Its also a 
strange thing that you pay 30% more for a flex license in europe, and please, 
don't say those are the shippingcosts :-P 
Greets,SjorsRick Bullotta 
wrote: 

  
  
  
  
  You would have a 
  hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits 
  and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an 
  issue
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] 
  On Behalf Of Anthony 
  MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, 
  July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
  flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
  license?
  
  
  Just because a 
  company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up 
  in IT...
  
  
  
  
  
  T.
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

Your multibillion 
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a 
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume 
price?
I find that hard to 
believe




From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan 
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, 
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

On a slightly different 
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar 
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown 
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, 
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we 
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses 
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and 
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg 
onour faces.I think we have come 
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally 
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Sauro, Nick






score 5: Informative

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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valy 
SivecSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?



It's 
kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in 
Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people 
ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer ) 
and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure. 


Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this 
Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not 
forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a 
large project and run into trouble 

So, 
don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the 
licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the 
product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to 
improve

ValyRick Bullotta 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  
  You would have a 
  hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits 
  and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an 
  issue
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] 
  On Behalf Of Anthony 
  MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, 
  July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
  flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
  license?
  
  
  Just because a 
  company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up 
  in IT...
  
  
  
  
  
  T.
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

Your multibillion 
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a 
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume 
price?
I find that hard to 
believe




From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, 
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

On a slightly different 
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar 
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown 
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, 
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we 
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses 
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and 
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg 
onour faces.I think we have come 
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally 
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Philippe Maegerman






Let's add a FlashComm license on top of that 
;)

Philippe 
Maegerman




From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valy 
SivecSent: mardi 19 juillet 2005 16:51To: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?



It's 
kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in 
Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people 
ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer ) 
and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure. 


Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this 
Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not 
forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a 
large project and run into trouble 

So, 
don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the 
licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the 
product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to 
improve

ValyRick Bullotta 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  
  You would have a 
  hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits 
  and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an 
  issue
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] 
  On Behalf Of Anthony 
  MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, 
  July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
  flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
  license?
  
  
  Just because a 
  company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up 
  in IT...
  
  
  
  
  
  T.
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

Your multibillion 
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a 
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume 
price?
I find that hard to 
believe




From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, 
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

On a slightly different 
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar 
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown 
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, 
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we 
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses 
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and 
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg 
onour faces.I think we have come 
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally 
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Carson Hager






These are excellent points. The thing that I would 
ask is why would anyone need that many licenses? I guess I could see this 
when you're using RemoteObjects or possibly the proxy. Given that 
RemoteObjects use a binary protocol, they have limited use. And the proxy 
services are only necessary if you have web services on other boxes...and if you 
do, you can always cleverly redirect these to get around sandbox restrictions. 
What we have seen is that after deploy time, the flex engine just sits there and 
does nothing but of course we made an architectural choice to use web services 
as our communications protocol cutting out the need for the 
RemoteObjects.


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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valy 
SivecSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:50 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?



It's 
kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in 
Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people 
ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer ) 
and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure. 


Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this 
Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not 
forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a 
large project and run into trouble 

So, 
don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the 
licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the 
product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to 
improve

ValyRick Bullotta 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  
  You would have a 
  hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits 
  and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an 
  issue
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] 
  On Behalf Of Anthony 
  MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, 
  July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a 
  flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
  license?
  
  
  Just because a 
  company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up 
  in IT...
  
  
  
  
  
  T.
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

Your multibillion 
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a 
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume 
price?
I find that hard to 
believe




From: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, 
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy 
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the 
license?

On a slightly different 
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar 
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown 
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, 
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we 
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses 
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and 
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg 
onour faces.I think we have come 
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally 
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?











It also depends upon the type of
information in the RIA that your team builds. For example, if you are
spending a ton of money for a 3-5 tier setup where everything is load balanced,
but the app is only going to be used a few thousand times a week, you are
probably not going to be saving that much. If you are building an
application where you can show that seconds saved off of a single transaction
saves the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a day you can probably get
away with a bit more  probably.



Just one of those things where a company
may not be wiling to spend $10 to save $1000.





Jeff

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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:27
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?





You would have a hard time convincing me
that, if there are application development benefits and sunk
costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue









From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?







Just because a company is worth multiples
of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...

















T.





-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick
 Bullotta
Sent: 19 July 2005 15:21
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?



Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K???
And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a
volume price?

I find that hard to believe











From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bezuidenhout
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?





On a slightly different note.

I can tell
you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is
most likely
about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something
like 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and
the pricing
is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.

Management
is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something
non-proprietary
and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on
our faces.

I think we
have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out
of the
market.

Jonathan





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[flexcoders] ERROR MESSAGE : Branch between 7543 and 40329 around line 0 exceeds 32K span. If possible, please refactor this component

2005-07-19 Thread david_gal-reyniez

Hi
everyboby!

Can anybody explain
to me the reason of this regularly error message I have

***
Branch between 7543
and 40329 around line 0 exceeds 32K span. If possible, please refactor this
component
***

It seems like a
problem of memory but.. I don't know what to do.
Yours suggeestions
will be appreciated!
Thanks

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Clint Modien

Thought I'd kick in a story... I'm on a project @ one of the largest IT
company's in the world and was talking with the lead on diff project in
the same office (for one of the biggest clients here). They were
really tyring to get the client to go down the flex road on the
project. (It was initially a flash design.) However the
deployment was to a rather large server farm. The licensing quote
from MM for the deployment worked out to be around $750K U.S. (or
more... i forget... i was too busy trying to re-hinge my
jaw) The client said no to flex for this particular project
and decided to go with flash because of the licensing price tag.

that was equal to or more 750K . To which the company promptly said k ya no... 2 much doughOn 7/19/05, Anthony Merryfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just
because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is
tied up in IT...

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BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To:
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flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?

Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And don't you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard to
believe…

From:
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On Behalf Of Jonathan
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?

On a slightly different
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is
most likely about to be thrown out.
We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and we
(the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg onour
faces.I think we have come to the point where MM has priced
Flex totally outof the
market.Jonathan

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Valy Sivec





Many times companies have a portfolio of apps that are sold to their clients. Due to some usability things, if you have a client that likes Flex interfaces or accepted an application written in Flex because it looks cool or is just different... going back to straight HTML/JSP/ASPapp will be a though sell... So that's why many times even if Flex is not the best solution, cost wise, you have to stick with it in case you want to keep the client happy... It's a though situation and because of the higher costs of software, the end product is becoming more expensive and implicit hard to sell So one one part, the client seems happy with the app but he cannot climb the cost barrier... and you get the "No, thank you" message

I think that is a matter of time for people to realize that accepting Flex adds a some significant costs to the existing architecture. In case you manage to sell the product than you're happy, but it depends for how long you can do that, when management first move all the time is cut the IT costs I recommend you the book"World is flat" - for anyone that still believe that IT cost is not a problem 


ValyJeff Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









It also depends upon the type of information in the RIA that your team builds. For example, if you are spending a ton of money for a 3-5 tier setup where everything is load balanced, but the app is only going to be used a few thousand times a week, you are probably not going to be saving that much. If you are building an application where you can show that seconds saved off of a single transaction saves the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a day you can probably get away with a bit more  probably.

Just one of those things where a company may not be wiling to spend $10 to save $1000.


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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:27 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

You would have a hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue




From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?


Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...





T.

-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price?
I find that hard to believe




From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

On a slightly different note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg onour faces.I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to another TitleWindow

2005-07-19 Thread Sauro, Nick






you should look into data binding.

Nick 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim 
ReddingtonSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:33 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing 
vars back to another TitleWindow

I have created a 
TitleWindow that opens another TitleWindow. The 2nd window contains a 
form. I would like the data entered in the form to be passed back to the 
1st titlewindow.

If I make the first 
TitleWindow be an application, then I can use 
parentDocument.name.text = name.text

to pass the name 
back to the original screen, but if I try to use this same line of code to pass 
the data from the 2nd TitleWindow to a 1st TitleWindow, then the text control 
shows up blank.

Does this make 
sense? Is it possible to pass data back to an open 
TitleWindow?

Thanks,Kim 

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[flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread kaibabsowats

My question about this story is your take on the cost of development
of Flash compared to Flex.  Figure in development cost (Design Time,
Training, Maintenance, etc ) for one 1 year or more.  Is there a
big
enough difference in Staff Costs to warrant a $750k licensing of Flex
over a longer period of time.

I experience between working on a Flash project with a team of 2
people can be hard to do unless you use all ActionScript files and 3rd
Party Flash compilers.  But to be able to use traditional Enterprise
development strategies with Flex development has saved lots of time
and Staff costs.  But I can see where some applications will not work
with the way Flex is licensing their servers because of the high price
tag.

I do agree that Flex prices hinder proper server farming when
designing an application.

Do most people believe there is a real money benefit with Developer
salary/time costs when comparing Flex development to Flash
development?



--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thought I'd kick in a story... I'm on a project @ one of the
largest IT 
 company's in the world and was talking with the lead on diff project
in the 
 same office (for one of the biggest clients here). They were
really tyring 
 to get the client to go down the flex road on the project. (It was
initially 
 a flash design.) However the deployment was to a rather large server
farm. 
 The licensing quote from MM for the deployment worked out to be
around $750K 
 U.S. (or more... i forget... i was too busy trying to re-hinge my
jaw) The 
 client said no to flex for this particular project and decided to go
with 
 flash because of the licensing price tag.
 
 
 
 that was equal to or more 750K . To which the company promptly said
k ya 
 no... 2 much dough
 




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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Jonathan Bezuidenhout

Hi,

If you have ever worked for a large corp, you will know that in the
end, things are made up of small depts with maybe small pots of
budgets.  Only difference is that there are people that make
decisionson how the pot of money is spent.

And then there are committees that make decisions (e.g. corporate
architecture) - unless you have buy-in from all of those, they will
not go to bat for you.  Each of those have a voice in the end.  The
people that negotiate pricing is one of those groups.  If you end up
with several groups against you, then you are in trouble.

In our case, our app is considered important, but not critical by all
means. It was however the first one to use Flex and would have been an
example of what can be done.  Since we started working on it, the
corporate IT has taken a very different direction and large parts of
work is being sourced out to outside vendors.

We need many licenses because we have so many environments - we have
clustered weblogic instances over many different geographic regions -
for each of those, we have development, testing, staging and
production systems - they very quickly add up.  Unfortunately due to
the nature of what we do, you cannot just share a bunch of systems on
a single unix box or watever to save on licenses.

The fact that MM has just been taken over by Adobe is also not helping
the situation as it is creating more uncertainty.  They are not sure
if Flex is going to disappear or what the commitment is to it.  In our
case, other than selling us something, I do not believe anyone from MM
has ever contacted us again to try and maintain an ongoing
relationship (from what I know).

So all these things start to add up.  The fact that we can make
changes very quickly and create a very good quality product is not
necessarily the determining factor at the end of the day.

I think a big part of the problem is that we have a 'I told you so'
situation now.  We went for something proprietary, and now that we
need to expand, we are basically held to ransom.  That kind of thing
scares companies.  Flex did not go through the same amout of scrutiny
as other products to be officially approved and considered a strategic
direction.

We can sit here and postulate for hours and hours about how stupid all
of this is and how this is a drop in the bucket - and I agree. 
Unfortunately we are not the ones writing the cheque at the end of the
day.

Apparantly the sales person we are dealing with now is new to us -
maybe he will come up with something creative.

Jonathan


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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread naden



Hi Stace,I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at Flex for one of our software projects.I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in general, whether it is worth the money etcUsability improvements and reduced development costs are always a huge benefit :)Cheers,NadenOn 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote:I think the critical factor is the first flex project. That’s what will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project needs to make a statement…or you may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash. -Stace From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Agree with you.  But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be “mission critical” would seem tiny – probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two.    I also agree with your choice of wording in “seemingly free alternatives…”.  J - RickFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Depends what you're comparing. If I was a technical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what our application requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spending ANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especially since... "We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for." ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies? T.--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web.  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.





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[flexcoders] Extended ComboBox can't use mx:dataProvider /

2005-07-19 Thread Darron J. Schall

I've run into an interesting situation.  I needed to extend the 
combobox, and in doing so, I'm not longer able to nest the 
mx:dataProvider tag.

For example, the following code doesn't work.

controls:MyCustomComboBox
mx:dataProvider
mx:Array
mx:StringItem 1/mx:String
mx:StringItem 2/mx:String
mx:StringItem 3/mx:String
/mx:Array
/mx:dataProvider
/controls:MyCustomComboBox

If I replace my custom combobox with mx:ComboBox, the above code works 
fine.

However, the following code *does* work as expected:

mx:Array id=dp
mx:StringItem 1/mx:String
mx:StringItem 2/mx:String
mx:StringItem 3/mx:String
/mx:Array
controls:MyCustomComboBox dataProvider={dp} /

So, the data provider isn't broken at all, but rather the compiler just 
can't process the nested dataProvider tag.  The error message is:  
Error: Don't know how to parse element 
http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml:dataProvider;.  It is not a known 
type or a property.

... which is odd, because as a subclass of ComboBox, it shoudl be one in 
the same.  I tried extending via an ActionScript file and an MXML file, 
and both yielded the same results.

Is this something that I would need to modify the schema for to be able 
to nest the mx:dataProvider tag in my extended combobox component?  
Anyone have any ideas?  It looks like a bug to me, but I don't think I 
know enough about it to say that it is for sure.

On a related topic, the regular combobox doesn't seem to respect 
Stage.height when loaded into another Flex .swf.  I thought this was 
fixed?  I have a ComboBox opening below the Stage, and no amount of 
_lockroot seems to solve it.

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[flexcoders] Tree DataGrid

2005-07-19 Thread Eric Guesdon


Hi to all,

In join file i make a Tree DataGrid that can expand / collapse.

The join file isn't complete, it doesn't care about sort for moment. In fact
sort must be captured by headerRelease to rewrite sort/group by
functionality.

I would really please to read you about my little solution

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ï»¿?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application
	xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml;
	initialize=initApp()

	mx:Script
	![CDATA[
		import mx.utils.ObjectCopy ;
		
		private var mainProvider : Array ;
		private var hommeProvider : Array ;
		private var UPAAdressProvider : Array ;
		private var EGUAdressProvider : Array ;
		private var EFLAdressProvider : Array ;
		private var MBAAdressProvider : Array ;
		private var femmeProvider : Array ;
		// ---
		private var currentSelectedIndex : Number ;
		// ---
		private function initApp () : Void {
			// provider level 2
			UPAAdressProvider = [{address : 13523, rue Jean Baptiste Charcot , zipcode : 96000 , country : Courbevoie}] ;
			EGUAdressProvider = [{address : 1102, rue George Sand , zipcode : 97000 , country : Verneuil sur Seine}] ;
			EFLAdressProvider = [{address : 4309, rue Henri Tariel , zipcode : 98000 , country : Issy les Moulineaux}] ;
			MBAAdressProvider = [{address : 55, avenue de Paris , zipcode : 99000 , country : Villejuif}] ;
			// provider level 1
			hommeProvider = new Array () ;
			hommeProvider[0] = {firstName : Ugo, lastName : Parlan, provider : UPAAdressProvider, expanded : false} ;
			hommeProvider[1] = {firstName : Eric, lastName : Fland,provider : EFLAdressProvider, expanded : false} ;
			hommeProvider[2] = {firstName : MichaÃ«l, lastName : Maden,provider : MBAAdressProvider, expanded : false} ;
			hommeProvider[3] = {firstName : Eric, lastName : Cahe,provider : EGUAdressProvider, expanded : false} ;
			// provider level 0
			mainProvider = new Array () ;
			mainProvider[0] = {sexe : Male, provider : hommeProvider, expanded : false, expandedId : male} ;
			mainProvider[1] = {sexe : Female, provider : femmeProvider, expanded : false, expandedId : female} ;
		}
		// ---
		private function doSomething( anEvent : Object ) : Void {
			if(anEvent.target.selectedItem.provider != undefined){
var additionalData : Array = anEvent.target.selectedItem.provider ;
var expandedId : String = anEvent.target.selectedItem.expandedId ;
var l : Number = additionalData.length ;
// -- j'ouvre le groupement
if(!anEvent.target.selectedItem.expanded){
	for(var i : Number = 0 ; i  l ; i++){
		additionalData[i].expandedId = expandedId ;
		mainProvider.splice(anEvent.itemIndex+i+1,0,additionalData[i]) ;
	}// end for i
	anEvent.target.selectedItem.expanded = true ;
	anEvent.target.executeBindings() ;
	anEvent.target.selectedIndex = anEvent.itemIndex + 1 ;
}else{ // je ferme le groupement
	collapseRows(anEvent, expandedId) ;
	myGrid.executeBindings() ;
	anEvent.target.selectedIndex = anEvent.itemIndex ;
}
			}
		}
		// collapse rows repeatedly
		private function collapseRows( anEvent : Object, anExpandedId : String ) : Void {
			anEvent.target.selectedItem.expanded = false ;
			var additionalData : Array = anEvent.target.selectedItem.provider ;
			var l : Number = additionalData.length ;
			
			for(var i : Number = 0 ; i  l ; i++){
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[flexcoders] Flex License(s) Performance

To All:

I have asked MM and have not gotten what I see as a reasonable
answer.  Their own website says that the typical application
would need 6-8 licenses.

Let's take this example server:

Dell Server @ 3.8 GHz with 1 GB RAM
JRUN4
Win 2000 Server
1 Flex license
MySQL database on same server

Assume sufficient internet bandwidth.

Using RemoteObjects for data access.

Do I need any other software?

With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can adequately
access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
better to ask how many per hour?

Would going to 2 GB RAM make any difference?

If I moved MySQL to another server, would that cause any major
issues?

Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
signficant increase?

Thanks in advance,

Jack




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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?











Just my opinion but to get it right the
first time and make that positive impact, its going to cost you time and
money. Not just in licensing costs but in developer ramp-up time and so forth.
Secondly, you really need a fresh perspective from a design standpoint. Every
single developer Ive seen start with this technology takes an existing
UI implementation (html, jps, cfml etc) and attempts to convert this in
identical form in flex. While thats probably a great learning process,
Im sure there are teams out there that approach their entire first
project in this manner. The results can be less than impressiveYour end
users are looking at the same presentation of data and workflow combined with
some new quirks and minor limitations that can drive folks bonkers if they dont
see additional benefits. (Hey! How come I lose everything when I hit
reload on my browser ?!)



What Im babbling about here is you
need to make real effort in the design phase to leverage the advantages of this
rich platform. Youve now got an arsenal of tools for building sexy
looking applications that fit your organizations workflow like a glove. You
need to use em. In the end I believe the best chance of success lies
with the level of satisfaction derived by the end users of an application. Constantly look for ways to refine your app towards making
their lives faster, better, cheaper. Task oriented design
rolled up into a smooth sexy package!



Is it worth the cost? Im biased
here but I believe so without a doubtalthough you wont see much cost
savings until youre on your third project or so



Just my soap box opinion hereits
not always an easy path but I assure you its quite enjoyable. I had been
so unbelievable bored with web app development over the past few yearsand
flex has made things a helluva lot more interesting to say the least.



Cheers!

Stace











From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of naden
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:03
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?













Hi Stace,











I am over here at a university in Perth,
 Australia and
are looking at Flex for one of our software projects.











I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in
general, whether it is worth the money etc











Usability improvements and reduced development costs are always a huge
benefit :)











Cheers,











Naden









On 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote:









I think
the critical factor is the first flex project. Thats what will make or
break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced
development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project
needs to make a statementor you may be up the creek the next time you go
to the till for licensing cash.





-Stace











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On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?





Agree with you.
But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission
critical would seem tiny  probably the same as the janitorial
budget for a day or two. I also agree with your choice of
wording in seemingly free alternatives. J



- Rick









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On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?







Depends what you're
comparing. If I was atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex,
comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what ourapplication
requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spendingANY thousands of
pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives.
Especiallysince...











We were going to
buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already
have, and
the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.











...I'd be asking why you
need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet?











To be fair, we're making
judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement
before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies?











T.






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[flexcoders] Business Delegate, command class, service locator, etc, etc

2005-07-19 Thread a8i364io

hello everyone,

this is my first post to the group.  I am a long-time CF guy and have 
bought (5 copies!) and read the RIA book and had Figleaf come inhouse 
to give Flex beginning training.  We want to start really getting some 
applications out the door, but I want to make sure I understand the 
framework and best practices before we get too far.  They didn't teach 
us that stuff in class.

Since the code for the credit card application in the book isn't 
available, does someone have a graphical representation of the various 
architectural best practices and how they interact with each other?  I 
downloaded the cairngorm files - which I assume somewhat follow 
architectural suggestions set forth in the book - but I haven't yet 
been able to make much sense of them.

many thanks.




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[flexcoders] Re: Flex license - ASP hosting? (Long)

2005-07-19 Thread davidm888

I too have been wondering what in the world 3(c) in the EULA means,
and even as an IP attorney / developer, I've read it over and over and
have been left scratching my head as to what it could possibly mean.
Below are some of my observations and speculations and are not legal
advice. If you are unsure about something, get it in writing from MM!

Paragraph 3(c), states that ...you may not rent, lease, or sublicense
the Software.  Interestingly, the ColdFusion and JRun EULAs also have
a paragraph 3(c), and in those, it is only that one sentence.  Even
Dreamweaver has that 3(c) sentence, which is a very strong argument
that that *particular* sentence is not applicable to hosting.  In the
Flex EULA, read with the sentences above it, that seems to mean that
you can't share your copy of Flex on a rental basis to allow third
parties to create any content.  

That said, however, given the addition to 3(c) in the Flex EULA, I
think it is clear that letting third-parties use your Flex license to
create their own applications that they have developed would violate
the EULA.  It states that, ...you may not host, on a subscription
basis or otherwise, the Software (1) to permit a third party to use
the Software to CREATE any content... (Emphasis added.) The rest of
that sentence seems as if it might contemplate that ASP apps used (but
not created by) by third-parties are generally acceptable, by stating
what could possibly be read as an exception or counter-example:
...you may not host...the Software...(2) to conduct conferences or
on-line meeting services for a third party.

That is only ONE reading, however, and the EULA is extremely
ambiguous.  Could it instead mean that even if YOU created the
content, you can't host it on an ASP basis, as some have speculated? 
3(c) refers to third party and create, but could
other parts of
the license agreement be construed more broadly?

Generally, the legal rules of construction are as such that the
specific controls the general, and, moreover, insofar as the EULA
might give rise to any contractual liability, ambiguities in such a
document are generally construed against the party who drafts it.  I
find it quite surprising and sad that MM has failed to be more clear
on the matter.

What's worse is that the even if someone from MM says that it's okay
or not, that is not necessarily legally binding or enforceable (though
depending on the circumstance it might be).  If someone does
interpret clause 3(c), make sure you get it in writing. The actual
license agreement is what governs, and it seems as if someone were to
rely on a reasonable interpretation of the EULA and MM later said the
end user was mistaken, that such a material mistake as a substantial
misinterpretation of the scope of the EULA could possibly be grounds
for demanding a refund.  If they alter the agreement in such a way as
to attempt to retroactively impose restrictions that weren't apparent
in the current EULA, I could see where that might expose them to other
liability as well. MM would better serve its customers by choosing a
less restrictive interpretation of the EULA and making it clear.

Unfortunately, there is little to compare this to, in order to get a
better idea of what it could possibly mean.  Flex seems to be unique
in a number of ways, and its ridiculously high price tag coupled with
a more restrictive licensing scheme of unknown degree makes it
extremely hard to gauge whether it is a wise investment. If the more
restrictive view, e.g., no ASP hosting, is the right one, then MM is
likely further impeding Flex's growth in what will prove to be a
competitive race for dominance in RIA's.

I would like to reiterate the question and invite Macromedia to
respond:  Are ASP services provided to, but not created by,
third-parties within the scope of the Flex license agreement?




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Re: [flexcoders] Flex License(s) Performance

2005-07-19 Thread Dave Carabetta

I'll take a stab at a high level.

Comments inline below

On 7/19/05, jwc_wensan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To All:
 
 I have asked MM and have not gotten what I see as a reasonable
 answer.  Their own website says that the typical application
 would need 6-8 licenses.
 
 Let's take this example server:
 
 Dell Server @ 3.8 GHz with 1 GB RAM
 JRUN4
 Win 2000 Server
 1 Flex license
 MySQL database on same server
 
 Assume sufficient internet bandwidth.
 
 Using RemoteObjects for data access.
 
 Do I need any other software?

Well, you have Flex for your presentation tier and MySQL as your
database tier, but you need a middleware tier (ColdFusion, Java, .NET,
etc.) to communicate between the two. You don't write queries and
place them in your ActionScript/MXML code.


 With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can adequately
 access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
 better to ask how many per hour?

It's an annoying answer, but: It Depends. Seriously. How many users
will be accessing the application? What are they going to be doing? Is
it a public or internal site? There are so many project-specific
questions that are unique to your environment, that I defy anybody
external to your company and not familiar with what you're doing to
accurately give you performance statistics. And yes, that even goes
for Macromedia's own 6-8 licenses remark.

 
 Would going to 2 GB RAM make any difference?

If you insist on keeping the database on the same box as your
Flex/J2EE server, then absolutely, I would recommend going to 2 GB
RAM. I would not deploy a production-level Flex application with
anything less than 1 GB or RAM for the Flex instance itself. Again,
see above where I say that it depends on your requirements, but this
has been my experience.

 
 If I moved MySQL to another server, would that cause any major
 issues?

It shouldn't, and it's something I would recommend if you have the
infrastructure to accomodate the separation. Physical separation of
tiers is a good thing, as it can help eliminate critical points of
failure if a server dies.

 Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
 signficant increase?

I would read this blog entry and the Flex Server Performance article
it references, as there are some benefits to using ROs, but also some
gotchas:

http://tomlink.net/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DE53AA15-7E97-A3B0-E08327BED0699516

Regards,
Dave.


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Re: [flexcoders] Flex License(s) Performance

2005-07-19 Thread Darron J. Schall

jwc_wensan wrote:

With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can adequately
access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
better to ask how many per hour?
  

See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php

I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex running on the 
server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and place it on a 
typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered as a .swf 
and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing at all.  
I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send out .swf files 
fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license for every 
server the .swf file sits on.

You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as well, but 
you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you can use 
ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little shim 
script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash Player 
(loading data across domains), depending on what server the web services 
are located on.

Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
signficant increase?

In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which is a 
binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's hard to give 
a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go both ways...

-d




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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Tarik Ahmed

At Flex's old price making the case was do-able. Where I'm at now...
One of our sub-companies wanted us to build a new intranet for them
based on the apps we've built; and they were looking at about 16 CPUs
in Web Servers and once they saw the price... They decided they'll skip
on the Flex aspect of it.

We're also a multi-billion dollar a year company. But they got that way
because they're very careful about how they spend their cash. If
there's a technology that gives them 50% less functionality, but costs
90% less...they'll opt for that instead.

Yesterday I was presenting a proof of concept I made in Flex to a VP
who reports to the CTO - and one of the first things he started asking
about is was that made in Laszlo, and why I didn't make it in Laszlo.
Fortunately the easy answer was... we already have a Flex license, so
obviously we'll use it.

But...definitely a very challenging sell at $15K/cpu.

Rick Bullotta wrote:

Your
multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K???
And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a
volume
price?
I find that
hard to believe

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Bezuidenhout
Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:05
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

On a slightly different note.

I
can tell
you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is
most
likely
about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something
like
8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and
the
pricing
is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.

Management
is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something
non-proprietary
and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on
our
faces.

I
think we
have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out
of
the
market.

Jonathan

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Tarik Ahmed







I've seen it happen where I work. I.T typically gets the remains of
whatever budget is left over. Product Development gets first dibs at
the budget.



Rick Bullotta wrote:

  
  

  
  
  

  
  
  You would
have a hard time convincing me
that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs
in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue
  
  
  
  From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
  Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:26
AM
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
  
  
  
  Just because
a company is worth multiples
of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  T.
  
  
-Original
Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: 19 July 2005
15:21
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

Your
multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K???
And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a
volume price?
I find that
hard to believe




From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Bezuidenhout
Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:05
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?


On a
slightly different note.

I
can tell
you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is
most
likely
about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something
like
8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and
the
pricing
is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.

Management
is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something
non-proprietary
and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on
our
faces.

I
think we
have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out
of
the
market.

Jonathan


  
  
  
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[flexcoders] MXML / Remoting Calls on WebLogic plugin

2005-07-19 Thread Kevin Towes $New Toronto Group$











Quick question on a Flex install on
WebLogic.



Hypothetical
Install situation:



[PUBLIC
FACING SERVER]

WebLogic plugin on Windows IIS



[INTERNAL
SERVER]

FLEX running on WebLogic

* Remote Objects are being used.



QUESTION
1 : Can a Flex Application invoke a Remote
Service Object located on a private WebLogic Server through a public IIS server
with the WebLogic plugin?



QUESTION
2: Can the browser even call an MXML file on
the internal WebSphere install through IIS (with the WebLogic plugin)?



Any help would be super!



Kevin Towes.











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[flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

Darron:

Thanks for your input.

I read Ted's post. His production server does not have Flex.  Where
is the SWF being served from?

Forgive my ignorance, but if you need a flex license for every server
the SWF sits on, what's the difference?

Can you elaborate further?

Thanks again,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 jwc_wensan wrote:
 
 With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can adequately
 access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
 better to ask how many per hour?
   
 
 See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
 http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
 
 I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex running on 
the 
 server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and place it 
on a 
 typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered as 
a .swf 
 and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing at 
all.  
 I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send out .swf 
files 
 fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license for 
every 
 server the .swf file sits on.
 
 You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as well, 
but 
 you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you can 
use 
 ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little shim 
 script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash Player 
 (loading data across domains), depending on what server the web 
services 
 are located on.
 
 Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
 signficant increase?
 
 In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which is 
a 
 binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's hard 
to give 
 a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go 
both ways...
 
 -d





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[flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

Dave:

First, thanks for your input.

The site will be public and I do not know how many users will be
accessing at this time.

I realize there is no specific user number, but I was trying to
get a round number, if that's possible.

From a due deligence standpoint, how do you determine the server
needs, if you can not determine the load each server can handle.

Let's take the Flexstore example as a sample application.  Can
we determine using this scenario how many users?  Roughly?

Is it a general server issue or a Flex issue, regarding load
performance?

Thanks again,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I'll take a stab at a high level.
 
 Comments inline below
 
 On 7/19/05, jwc_wensan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To All:
  
  I have asked MM and have not gotten what I see as a reasonable
  answer.  Their own website says that the typical application
  would need 6-8 licenses.
  
  Let's take this example server:
  
  Dell Server @ 3.8 GHz with 1 GB RAM
  JRUN4
  Win 2000 Server
  1 Flex license
  MySQL database on same server
  
  Assume sufficient internet bandwidth.
  
  Using RemoteObjects for data access.
  
  Do I need any other software?
 
 Well, you have Flex for your presentation tier and MySQL as your
 database tier, but you need a middleware tier (ColdFusion, 
Java, .NET,
 etc.) to communicate between the two. You don't write queries and
 place them in your ActionScript/MXML code.
 
 
  With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can 
adequately
  access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
  better to ask how many per hour?
 
 It's an annoying answer, but: It Depends. Seriously. How many users
 will be accessing the application? What are they going to be 
doing? Is
 it a public or internal site? There are so many project-specific
 questions that are unique to your environment, that I defy anybody
 external to your company and not familiar with what you're doing to
 accurately give you performance statistics. And yes, that even goes
 for Macromedia's own 6-8 licenses remark.
 
  
  Would going to 2 GB RAM make any difference?
 
 If you insist on keeping the database on the same box as your
 Flex/J2EE server, then absolutely, I would recommend going to 2 GB
 RAM. I would not deploy a production-level Flex application with
 anything less than 1 GB or RAM for the Flex instance itself. Again,
 see above where I say that it depends on your requirements, but 
this
 has been my experience.
 
  
  If I moved MySQL to another server, would that cause any major
  issues?
 
 It shouldn't, and it's something I would recommend if you have the
 infrastructure to accomodate the separation. Physical separation of
 tiers is a good thing, as it can help eliminate critical points of
 failure if a server dies.
 
  Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
  signficant increase?
 
 I would read this blog entry and the Flex Server Performance 
article
 it references, as there are some benefits to using ROs, but also 
some
 gotchas:
 
 http://tomlink.net/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DE53AA15-7E97-
A3B0-E08327BED0699516
 
 Regards,
 Dave.




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[flexcoders] Chain webservices

2005-07-19 Thread Rajesh Jayabalan

Hi,

 I am unable to call a webservice which has as a parameter Object A
which containts a list of Object B

 I am planning to call a chain of webservice.

CreateObjA(Obj A)
CreateObjBs(Obj[] b)

but before I can call createObjBs I need the result of the first call
(which return an ID) so that I can set it in all Obj Bs.. 

something like 

marketRequest = new MarketRequest();
var id = mRequestWS.createRequest(marketRequest);
var mris = new Array();
for (var i=0; i  dataObject.items.length; i++)
{
var mrItem = new MRItem();
mrItem.setMRItemId(dataObject.items[i].id)
mrItem.setMRItemName(dataObject.items[i].name)
mrItem.setMRItemDesc(dataObject.items[i].description)
mrItem.setMRItemSpec(dataObject.items[i].spec)
mrItem.setMRItemQty(dataObject.items[i].qty)
mrItem.setMRItemImage(dataObject.items[i].image)
mrItem.setMRItemPrice(dataObject.items[i].price)

mrItem.setMRId(id);

mris.push(mrItem);

}
mRequestWS.createMrItems(mris);

Can this be done?

Regards
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RE: [flexcoders] Business Delegate, command class, service locator, etc, etc

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Rusher

You need to view the following breezo:
http://macromedia-v5.emea.breezecentral.com/architectingflexapplications/

It demonstrates the .95 version.


Regards,
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Behalf Of a8i364io
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Subject: [flexcoders] Business Delegate, command class, service locator,
etc, etc

hello everyone,

this is my first post to the group.  I am a long-time CF guy and have 
bought (5 copies!) and read the RIA book and had Figleaf come inhouse 
to give Flex beginning training.  We want to start really getting some 
applications out the door, but I want to make sure I understand the 
framework and best practices before we get too far.  They didn't teach 
us that stuff in class.

Since the code for the credit card application in the book isn't 
available, does someone have a graphical representation of the various 
architectural best practices and how they interact with each other?  I 
downloaded the cairngorm files - which I assume somewhat follow 
architectural suggestions set forth in the book - but I haven't yet 
been able to make much sense of them.

many thanks.




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RE: [flexcoders] MXML / Remoting Calls on WebLogic plugin












 Using
 Apache, yes so Id assume IIS as well although I havent
 personally configured that
 Using
 Apache, yesApache receives the request and based on the context,
 routes the request to the appropriate plugin. In our case weve got
 WL and JRun plugin configured on our Apache boxes.




Im sure the same thing is achievable
in IIS in both casessorry I dont have the specifics



Stace











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Subject: [flexcoders] MXML /
Remoting Calls on WebLogic plugin





Quick question on a Flex install on
WebLogic.



Hypothetical
Install situation:



[PUBLIC
FACING SERVER]

WebLogic plugin on Windows IIS



[INTERNAL
SERVER]

FLEX running on WebLogic

* Remote Objects are being used.



QUESTION
1 : Can a Flex Application invoke a Remote
Service Object located on a private WebLogic Server through a public IIS server
with the WebLogic plugin?



QUESTION
2: Can the browser even call an MXML file on
the internal WebSphere install through IIS (with the WebLogic plugin)?



Any help would be super!



Kevin Towes.











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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Rusher

Jack,

You compile the SWF on a server with Flex install. Then copy the generated
SWF over to your web server and embed it in a web page.

The difference is that you don't need a Java Application Server running.
i.e. more system resources

I'm not positive, but I think you need special licensing permission from MM
to deploy a Flex app without the server.

Regards,
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Behalf Of jwc_wensan
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:59 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s)  Performance

Darron:

Thanks for your input.

I read Ted's post. His production server does not have Flex.  Where
is the SWF being served from?

Forgive my ignorance, but if you need a flex license for every server
the SWF sits on, what's the difference?

Can you elaborate further?

Thanks again,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 jwc_wensan wrote:
 
 With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can adequately
 access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
 better to ask how many per hour?
   
 
 See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
 http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
 
 I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex running on 
the 
 server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and place it 
on a 
 typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered as 
a .swf 
 and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing at 
all.  
 I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send out .swf 
files 
 fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license for 
every 
 server the .swf file sits on.
 
 You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as well, 
but 
 you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you can 
use 
 ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little shim 
 script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash Player 
 (loading data across domains), depending on what server the web 
services 
 are located on.
 
 Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
 signficant increase?
 
 In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which is 
a 
 binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's hard 
to give 
 a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go 
both ways...
 
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Re: [flexcoders] Chain webservices

2005-07-19 Thread Alex Cruikshank




Hi Rajesh,
You can execute synchronous web service calls by making the second call
from within the result handler of the first. I believe the above
code should look something like this:

import mx.utils.Delegate;

public function createMarketRequest()
{
 marketRequest = new MarketRequest(); var call = mRequestWS.createRequest(marketRequest);
 call. handleCreateMarketRequest );}

public function handleCreateMarketRequest( id )
{
 var mris = new Array();
 for (var i=0; i  dataObject.items.length; i++)
 {
 var mrItem = new MRItem();
 mrItem.setMRItemId(dataObject.items[i].id)
 mrItem.setMRItemName(dataObject.items[i].name)
 mrItem.setMRItemDesc(dataObject.items[i].description)
 mrItem.setMRItemSpec(dataObject.items[i].spec)
 mrItem.setMRItemQty(dataObject.items[i].qty)
 mrItem.setMRItemImage(dataObject.items[i].image)
 mrItem.setMRItemPrice(dataObject.items[i].price)

 mrItem.setMRId(id);

 mris.push(mrItem);
}

 mRequestWS.createMrItems(mris);
}

Hope this helps,
Alex
On 7/19/05, Rajesh Jayabalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

marketRequest = new MarketRequest();
var id = mRequestWS.createRequest(marketRequest);
 var mris = new Array();
 for (var i=0; i  dataObject.items.length; i++)
 {
  var mrItem = new MRItem();
  mrItem.setMRItemId(dataObject.items[i].id)
  mrItem.setMRItemName(dataObject.items[i].name)
  mrItem.setMRItemDesc(dataObject.items[i].description)
  mrItem.setMRItemSpec(dataObject.items[i].spec)
  mrItem.setMRItemQty(dataObject.items[i].qty)
  mrItem.setMRItemImage(dataObject.items[i].image)
  mrItem.setMRItemPrice(dataObject.items[i].price)

 mrItem.setMRId(id);

  mris.push(mrItem);

 }
 mRequestWS.createMrItems(mris);






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[flexcoders]

2005-07-19 Thread RAMSEY,MARK

HI,

I came across a problem in using effects in Flex. The 
parameters used to control custom effects are integers, 
and won't parse percentage strings. This is not a problem 
if you're building an application that has a locked size. 
If your app needs to resize, custom effects will give you 
problems.

If you use effects in-line (like this: 
showEffect=WipeRight) the effect will move as a function 
of percentage. That is, first the item (Box, Canvas etc.) 
does the effect, THEN when you resize your application the 
item with the effect will resize correctly. You aren't 
given a way to set these effects with parameters, so maybe 
that's why they work correctly.

If you use a custom effect to move, resize or whatever, 
THEN try to resize your application, the item that had the 
effect run will not resize correctly.

I admit that I have not tested for this problem in all 
situations. Has anyone else run across this behavior? Is 
there a workaround, like temporarily setting the effect 
source on the effected object to ?

THX


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[flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

Tarik:

Why so many CPUs?  What was the expected number of users?

Thanks,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tarik Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At Flex's old price making the case was do-able. Where I'm at 
now... One 
 of our sub-companies wanted us to build a new intranet for them 
based on 
 the apps we've built; and they were looking at about 16 CPUs in 
Web 
 Servers and once they saw the price... They decided they'll skip 
on the 
 Flex aspect of it.
 
 We're also a multi-billion dollar a year company. But they got 
that way 
 because they're very careful about how they spend their cash. If 
there's 
 a technology that gives them 50% less functionality, but costs 90% 
 less...they'll opt for that instead.
 
 Yesterday I was presenting a proof of concept I made in Flex to a 
VP who 
 reports to the CTO - and one of the first things he started asking 
about 
 is was that made in Laszlo, and why I didn't make it in Laszlo. 
 Fortunately the easy answer was... we already have a Flex license, 
so 
 obviously we'll use it.
 
 But...definitely a very challenging sell at $15K/cpu.
 
 
 
 
 Rick Bullotta wrote:
 
  Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K???  
And 
  don't you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a 
volume 
  price?
 
  I find that hard to believe...
 
  -
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  *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I 
host 
  other peoples apps on the license?
 
   
 
  On a slightly different note.
 
  I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex 
is
  most likely about to be thrown out.  We were going to buy 
something
  like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already 
have, and
  the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.
 
  Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with 
something
  non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have 
egg on
  our faces.
 
  I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex 
totally out
  of the market.
 
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[flexcoders] extra 2-cpu license

2005-07-19 Thread charged2885

Our company has obtained an extra 2-CPU flex license from an
aquisition.  With the recent changes in flex's pricing, we thought 
there may be a market to sell it. If you are interested, please 
contact me.

2 CPU license + 5 flex builder licenses.

Todd




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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread James

I've been reading on this post for a bit and I find it funny, that anybody
could consider the initial cost of any software development environment the
ONLY cost. As it has been said before and alluded to in other posts, while
Flex is a wonderful piece of software, version 2 is coming, and I would
expect that version 3, 4, 5 are already in the works, to work out the bugs
and enhancements (unless somebody changed the software model). With each I
have to assume would be upgrade costs with new training etc... The bean
counters have to look at the reality of the situation, that next year the
costs could double or triple the cost of any project, per the software
vendor, and since Flex is only one part any software project, it's making
harder and harder to justify the costs of licensing. So unless MM is not
going to charge for upgrades, or there going to put out a product that
works, the first time out, then there are going to be residual costs to have
to justify.

Just a thought
JT  

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Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples
apps on the license?

My question about this story is your take on the cost of development
of Flash compared to Flex.  Figure in development cost (Design Time,
Training, Maintenance, etc. ) for one 1 year or more.  Is there a
big
enough difference in Staff Costs to warrant a $750k licensing of Flex
over a longer period of time.

I experience between working on a Flash project with a team of 2
people can be hard to do unless you use all ActionScript files and 3rd
Party Flash compilers.  But to be able to use traditional Enterprise
development strategies with Flex development has saved lots of time
and Staff costs.  But I can see where some applications will not work
with the way Flex is licensing their servers because of the high price
tag.

I do agree that Flex prices hinder proper server farming when
designing an application.

Do most people believe there is a real money benefit with Developer
salary/time costs when comparing Flex development to Flash
development?



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 Thought I'd kick in a story... I'm on a project @ one of the
largest IT 
 company's in the world and was talking with the lead on diff project
in the 
 same office (for one of the biggest clients here). They were
really tyring 
 to get the client to go down the flex road on the project. (It was
initially 
 a flash design.) However the deployment was to a rather large server
farm. 
 The licensing quote from MM for the deployment worked out to be
around $750K 
 U.S. (or more... i forget... i was too busy trying to re-hinge my
jaw) The 
 client said no to flex for this particular project and decided to go
with 
 flash because of the licensing price tag.
 
 
 
 that was equal to or more 750K . To which the company promptly said
k ya 
 no... 2 much dough
 




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[flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

2005-07-19 Thread davidm888

This brings up another ambiguity in the Flex EULA.  Paragraph 3(n): 

(n) If and only if the Software is Macromedia Flex software. Any 
application or content created using Macromedia Flex must be 
deployed with an authorized and validly licensed copy of the 
Macromedia Flex presentation server. 

It seems to say that you must deploy it *on* a server running Flex. 
Or does it mean you can deploy it with the Flex server onto any 
server, even one not running Flex?  Paragraph (h) states that you 
may not ...use the Developer Version of Macromedia Flex to 
compile .swf files for deployment outside of a validly licensed copy 
of the Macromedia Flex presentation server.  Okay, that covers the 
Developer Version, but what about the full version?

The EULA provides no such specificity with regard to the full 
version, but if, hypothetically, you are allowed to compile .swf 
files for deployment outside of a validly licensed copy of the 
Macromedia Flex presentation server using the full version, then 
how is the licensing determined? Where does it say you must have a 
Flex license for every server the .swf file sits on, even if it's 
not on a server running Flex? How do CPU's factor into the 
equation?  Would that mean you'd need corresponding Flex licenses 
for every CPU on the production server, even if it is not running 
Flex?

If so, it would be very unusual... Flex would be used only as an 
authoring tool, but the license for it would be tied to the hardware 
configuration of the system on which the compiled programs run.

In reality, I doubt Macromedia would complain as long as, as you 
have stated, you paid for the licenses as if you were running Flex 
on the production server.

But it still begs the question, however, of what is permissible 
under the license agreement...and the best ways to maximize 
performance without incurring unneccessary expenses from exhorbitant 
license fees for additional CPU's.

They really do need to revamp their licensing structure.  Cost is 
one matter, but another is the overall lack of clarity in the EULA. 
Of course, people can negotiate licenses with Macromedia directly, 
but the numerous ambiguities and inconsistencies in the EULA really 
should not be there and, more importantly, if you accept the 
license agreement as is, without negotiation, it would be helpful to 
know what it is exactly you are purportedly accepting.


--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 jwc_wensan wrote:
 
 With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can adequately
 access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
 better to ask how many per hour?
   
 
 See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
 http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
 
 I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex running on 
the 
 server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and place it 
on a 
 typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered as 
a .swf 
 and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing at 
all.  
 I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send out .swf 
files 
 fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license for 
every 
 server the .swf file sits on.
 
 You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as well, 
but 
 you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you can 
use 
 ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little shim 
 script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash Player 
 (loading data across domains), depending on what server the web 
services 
 are located on.
 
 Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
 signficant increase?
 
 In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which is 
a 
 binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's hard 
to give 
 a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go 
both ways...
 
 -d




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[flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

Rob:

Does the SWF have to be embedded in the web page or can it be
standalone?

Thanks,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Jack,
 
 You compile the SWF on a server with Flex install. Then copy the 
generated
 SWF over to your web server and embed it in a web page.
 
 The difference is that you don't need a Java Application Server 
running.
 i.e. more system resources
 
 I'm not positive, but I think you need special licensing 
permission from MM
 to deploy a Flex app without the server.
 
 Regards,
 Rob Rusher
 
 Macromedia Certified Flex Instructor
 e:[EMAIL PROTECTED] c:303.885.7044 im:robrusher
 
 -Original Message-
 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of jwc_wensan
 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:59 PM
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s)  Performance
 
 Darron:
 
 Thanks for your input.
 
 I read Ted's post. His production server does not have Flex.  Where
 is the SWF being served from?
 
 Forgive my ignorance, but if you need a flex license for every 
server
 the SWF sits on, what's the difference?
 
 Can you elaborate further?
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Jack
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Darron J. Schall 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  jwc_wensan wrote:
  
  With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can 
adequately
  access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is it
  better to ask how many per hour?

  
  See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
  http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
  
  I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex running 
on 
 the 
  server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and place 
it 
 on a 
  typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered 
as 
 a .swf 
  and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing at 
 all.  
  I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send out .swf 
 files 
  fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license 
for 
 every 
  server the .swf file sits on.
  
  You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as well, 
 but 
  you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you 
can 
 use 
  ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little 
shim 
  script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash 
Player 
  (loading data across domains), depending on what server the web 
 services 
  are located on.
  
  Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
  signficant increase?
  
  In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which 
is 
 a 
  binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's hard 
 to give 
  a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go 
 both ways...
  
  -d
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

2005-07-19 Thread Dennis











Embed with the object tag and reference
filename.mxml.swf

Create as a html page in a browser not embedded
by referencing filename.mxml











From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jwc_wensan
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:07
PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex
License(s)  Performance





Rob:

Does the SWF have to be embedded in the web page
or can it be
standalone?

Thanks,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com,
Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Jack,
 
 You compile the SWF on a server with Flex
install. Then copy the 
generated
 SWF over to your web server and embed it in a
web page.
 
 The difference is that you don't need a Java
Application Server 
running.
 i.e. more system resources
 
 I'm not positive, but I think you need
special licensing 
permission from MM
 to deploy a Flex app without the server.
 
 Regards,
 Rob Rusher
 
 Macromedia Certified Flex Instructor
 e:[EMAIL PROTECTED] c:303.885.7044 im:robrusher
 
 -Original Message-
 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On
 Behalf Of jwc_wensan
 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:59 PM
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s)
 Performance
 
 Darron:
 
 Thanks for your input.
 
 I read Ted's post. His production server does
not have Flex. Where
 is the SWF being served from?
 
 Forgive my ignorance, but if you need a flex
license for every 
server
 the SWF sits on, what's the difference?
 
 Can you elaborate further?
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Jack
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com,
Darron J. Schall 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  jwc_wensan wrote:
  
  With the above scenario how many
simultaneous users can 
adequately
  access the server before I would
need a second server? Or is it
  better to ask how many per hour?
   
  
  See Ted's entry here about scaling
Flex: 
  http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
  
  I completely agree with him as
well. I don't have Flex running 
on 
 the 
  server at all. Instead, I take my
Flex-compiled .swf and place 
it 
 on a 
  typical web server.
Then, the Flex application is delivered 
as 
 a .swf 
  and there's no need for the server to do
any extra processing at 
 all. 
  I've never had a server crash because it
couldn't send out .swf 
 files 
  fast enough. Keep in mind though,
you'll need a Flex license 
for 
 every 
  server the .swf file sits on.
  
  You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex
server running as well, 
 but 
  you'll need to use another AMF gateway
such as OpenAMF (or you 
can 
 use 
  ColdFusion). If you use
WebServices, you might need a little 
shim 
  script to get around the security
restrictions of the Flash 
Player 
  (loading data across domains), depending
on what server the web 
 services 
  are located on.
  
  Also, I read somewhere that
RemoteObjects is faster. Is it a
  signficant increase?
  
  In general RemoteObjects are faster
because it uses AMF, which 
is 
 a 
  binary format and much less verbose than
WebServices. It's hard 
 to give 
  a definite yes/no answer because I've
actually seen results go 
 both ways...
  
  -d
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [flexcoders] extra 2-cpu license

2005-07-19 Thread Dennis Hamilton











What is the price?











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Our company has obtained an extra 2-CPU flex license from an
aquisition. With the recent changes in
flex's pricing, we thought 
there may be a market to sell it. If you are
interested, please 
contact me.

2 CPU license + 5 flex builder licenses.

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[flexcoders] Macromedia people please answer

2005-07-19 Thread Dennis











http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/flex/articles/client_perf.html



how would I go about getting the mention of my companies
name on this page corrected? Who do I send an email about what the company
should appear as a name?









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[flexcoders] Longhorn Impact

To All:

Just interested to hear your opinions.

Regardless of when Microsoft's Longhorn ships, either mid/late 2006
or even 2007, what are your thoughts on its impact to the RIA
development area?

Will it force MM's hand on pricing?

Other thoughts?

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Re: [flexcoders] Longhorn Impact

2005-07-19 Thread JesterXL

Straigh bangin' thread!!!

XAML is an XML definition that is very low level and no one in their right 
mind will hand code.  Therefore, there will be good editors to write that 
for you.  Catch that?  An editor to write XMAL for you.

XML is... what?  XML.

MXML is... what?  XML.

Compiling Flex apps to run in Avalon instead of SWF is awesome... but, I'd 
put my dough (whatever I can scrounge away from the IRS) on Macromedia's 
ability to capitalize on Longhorns features, thus, I'd rather have Flex 
output the XAML that is a SWF hybrid; meaning, something like Central that 
is desktop orientated, like Microsoft's SmartClient, and utilizes the best 
of both worlds.

If only I could accelerate time... or help Microsoft find their arse...

As far as pricing, no clue what your talking about; elaborate.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] Longhorn Impact


To All:

Just interested to hear your opinions.

Regardless of when Microsoft's Longhorn ships, either mid/late 2006
or even 2007, what are your thoughts on its impact to the RIA
development area?

Will it force MM's hand on pricing?

Other thoughts?

Thanks,

Jack




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Fwd: RE: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to another TitleWindow

2005-07-19 Thread kreddington1

Using data binding, I run into the same problem.  The 2nd window 
doesn't seem to be able to talk to the first window. Is there 
another method I could try?

Thanks

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Nick Sauro + R O U N D A R C H + bus 212.909.2335 + mob 914.882.3687
 



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Behalf Of Kim Reddington
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Subject: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to another
TitleWindow


I have created a TitleWindow that opens another TitleWindow.  The 2nd
window contains a form.  I would like the data entered in the form 
to be
passed back to the 1st titlewindow.
 
If I make the first TitleWindow be an application, then I can use 
parentDocument.name.text = name.text
 
to pass the name back to the original screen, but if I try to use 
this
same line of code to pass the data from the 2nd TitleWindow to a 1st
TitleWindow, then the text control shows up blank.
 
Does this make sense?  Is it possible to pass data back to an open
TitleWindow?
 
Thanks,
Kim
 

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RE: [flexcoders] extra 2-cpu license

2005-07-19 Thread Carson Hager






That's against the license agreement. Check the fine 
print. This is the case with just about every development tool, server, 
etc. on the market.


Carson
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license


What is the 
price?





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PMTo: 
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Our company has obtained an extra 2-CPU flex license 
from anaquisition. With the recent changes in flex's pricing, 
we thought there may be a market to 
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RE: RE: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to another TitleWindow

2005-07-19 Thread Sauro, Nick






i'm not fully understanding the problem here, a code 
excerpt might help clarify

Nick 
Sauro+R 
O U N D 
A R C H + 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
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flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Fwd: RE: [flexcoders] TitleWindow 
passing vars back to another TitleWindow
Using data binding, I run into the same problem. The 2nd 
window doesn't seem to be able to talk to the first window. Is there 
another method I could try?Thanks--- In 
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should look into data binding.Nick Sauro + R O U N D A R C H + bus 
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Of Kim ReddingtonSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:33 AMTo: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars 
back to anotherTitleWindowI have created a TitleWindow that 
opens another TitleWindow. The 2ndwindow contains a form. I 
would like the data entered in the form to bepassed back to the 1st 
titlewindow.If I make the first TitleWindow be an application, then I 
can use parentDocument.name.text = name.textto pass the name back to 
the original screen, but if I try to use thissame line of code to pass 
the data from the 2nd TitleWindow to a 1stTitleWindow, then the text control 
shows up blank.Does this make sense? Is it possible to pass data 
back to an openTitleWindow?Thanks,Kim 
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[flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread ejames8124

Take a look at http://www.openlaszlo.org/ this is an open source
version of a server side flash code generator that in the latest 3.x
version is matched very closely in features as Flex. It doesn't have
as fully featured a development environment as Flex Builder but the
current Open Source IDE for Laszlo is produced by IBM for the Eclipse
IDE environment and unlike Flex it is cross platform in the
development side and best of all it is free. Don't get me wrong I
think that Flex is great but the server cost just isn't in most
organizations budget.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, naden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Stace,
 
 I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at  
 Flex for one of our software projects.
 
 I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in  
 general, whether it is worth the money etc
 
 Usability improvements and reduced development costs are always a  
 huge benefit :)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Naden
 
 On 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote:
 
  I think the critical factor is the first flex project. That's what  
  will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability  
  improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come  
  into play. That very first project needs to make a statementor you  
  may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing  
  cash.
 
 
 
  -Stace
 
 
 
  From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com  
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
  Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AM
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host  
  other peoples apps on the license?
 
 
 
  Agree with you.  But 125K for a system that would be deployed  
  broadly and may be mission critical would seem tiny  probably  
  the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two.I also agree  
  with your choice of wording in seemingly free alternatives.  J
 
 
 
  - Rick
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
  Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host  
  other peoples apps on the license?
 
 
 
  Depends what you're comparing. If I was a technical beancounter  
  looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions  
  and then seeing what our application requirements were; I'd be  
  asking why we were spending ANY thousands of pounds on proprietary  
  software over seemingly free alternatives. Especially since...
 
 
 
  We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to  
  the multitude we already have, and
  the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.
 
 
 
  ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it  
  to it's fullest potential yet?
 
 
 
  To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle -  
  maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing  
  lyrical about his companies policies?
 
 
 
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[flexcoders] Re: firefox set variable

2005-07-19 Thread nextadvantage

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: firefox set variable











Have you checked out the Flash _javascript_ Integration
Kit? http://www.osflash.org/doku.php?id=flashjsDokuWiki=130da08e95389715134ef60400ddb09f



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[flexcoders] we're back

Please re-post messages waiting for Macromedia answers.

And then wait a while, we're in a big set of meetings anyway :-)

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[flexcoders] test message

2005-07-19 Thread nostra72




Sorry for the test message but I sent two messages to the list and neither of them went through I want to see if this one does.





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RE: [flexcoders] Extended ComboBox can't use mx:dataProvider /

2005-07-19 Thread Alistair McLeod

Hi Darron,

Change mx:dataProvider to controls:dataProvider

Because dataProvider is a property of the ComboBox, it should use the same
namespace as its parent.

Cheers,

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Subject: [flexcoders] Extended ComboBox can't use mx:dataProvider /

I've run into an interesting situation.  I needed to extend the 
combobox, and in doing so, I'm not longer able to nest the 
mx:dataProvider tag.

For example, the following code doesn't work.

controls:MyCustomComboBox
mx:dataProvider
mx:Array
mx:StringItem 1/mx:String
mx:StringItem 2/mx:String
mx:StringItem 3/mx:String
/mx:Array
/mx:dataProvider
/controls:MyCustomComboBox

If I replace my custom combobox with mx:ComboBox, the above code works 
fine.

However, the following code *does* work as expected:

mx:Array id=dp
mx:StringItem 1/mx:String
mx:StringItem 2/mx:String
mx:StringItem 3/mx:String
/mx:Array
controls:MyCustomComboBox dataProvider={dp} /

So, the data provider isn't broken at all, but rather the compiler just 
can't process the nested dataProvider tag.  The error message is:  
Error: Don't know how to parse element 
http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml:dataProvider;.  It is not a known 
type or a property.

... which is odd, because as a subclass of ComboBox, it shoudl be one in 
the same.  I tried extending via an ActionScript file and an MXML file, 
and both yielded the same results.

Is this something that I would need to modify the schema for to be able 
to nest the mx:dataProvider tag in my extended combobox component?  
Anyone have any ideas?  It looks like a bug to me, but I don't think I 
know enough about it to say that it is for sure.

On a related topic, the regular combobox doesn't seem to respect 
Stage.height when loaded into another Flex .swf.  I thought this was 
fixed?  I have a ComboBox opening below the Stage, and no amount of 
_lockroot seems to solve it.

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[flexcoders] Re: Macromedia people please answer

2005-07-19 Thread m_chotin

There's a feedback link below the table of contents on the left-hand
side of the page.  That's probably the easiest way to get things in.

Matt

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 how would I go about getting the mention of my companies name on
this page
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[flexcoders] Re: Business Delegate, command class, service locator, etc, etc

2005-07-19 Thread a8i364io

great!  thanks so much - that made it a lot clearer - I also just 
found the HTML help docs installed from the cairngorm extract which 
look to be good stuff.  I really appreciate the pointer.

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 http://macromedia-
v5.emea.breezecentral.com/architectingflexapplications/
 
 It demonstrates the .95 version.
 
 
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 Subject: [flexcoders] Business Delegate, command class, service 
locator,
 etc, etc
 
 hello everyone,
 
 this is my first post to the group.  I am a long-time CF guy and 
have 
 bought (5 copies!) and read the RIA book and had Figleaf come 
inhouse 
 to give Flex beginning training.  We want to start really getting 
some 
 applications out the door, but I want to make sure I understand the 
 framework and best practices before we get too far.  They didn't 
teach 
 us that stuff in class.
 
 Since the code for the credit card application in the book isn't 
 available, does someone have a graphical representation of the 
various 
 architectural best practices and how they interact with each 
other?  I 
 downloaded the cairngorm files - which I assume somewhat follow 
 architectural suggestions set forth in the book - but I haven't yet 
 been able to make much sense of them.
 
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[flexcoders] extended tree class with improved drag and drop feedback available

2005-07-19 Thread edeustace

hello,
i was working on a project recently where the client wanted the drag
and drop behaviour of the tree to be improved as the tree they were
using only had folders in it and they felt the black line wasn't very
intuitive.

so i extended the tree class for them, and now i've extended it again
to handle folders and items. so it should be of use to somebody.

the source code and a tutorial is at:
http://ed.eustace.net/index.php?id=15itemId=5sectionId=1

i'd welcome feedback on both as this is my first foray into flex.
thanks 
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[flexcoders] Re: Longhorn Impact

Jester:

I didn't mean how Flex could run on or with Longhorn, but rather
from the development side with .NET and other development platforms
that work with Longhorn/Avalon.

And don't have the same high server cost.

By pricing, I meant do you think with the release of Longhorn that
MM might lower their license price.

Thanks,

Jack


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 Straigh bangin' thread!!!
 
 XAML is an XML definition that is very low level and no one in 
their right 
 mind will hand code.  Therefore, there will be good editors to 
write that 
 for you.  Catch that?  An editor to write XMAL for you.
 
 XML is... what?  XML.
 
 MXML is... what?  XML.
 
 Compiling Flex apps to run in Avalon instead of SWF is awesome... 
but, I'd 
 put my dough (whatever I can scrounge away from the IRS) on 
Macromedia's 
 ability to capitalize on Longhorns features, thus, I'd rather have 
Flex 
 output the XAML that is a SWF hybrid; meaning, something like 
Central that 
 is desktop orientated, like Microsoft's SmartClient, and utilizes 
the best 
 of both worlds.
 
 If only I could accelerate time... or help Microsoft find their 
arse...
 
 As far as pricing, no clue what your talking about; elaborate.
 
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:38 PM
 Subject: [flexcoders] Longhorn Impact
 
 
 To All:
 
 Just interested to hear your opinions.
 
 Regardless of when Microsoft's Longhorn ships, either mid/late 2006
 or even 2007, what are your thoughts on its impact to the RIA
 development area?
 
 Will it force MM's hand on pricing?
 
 Other thoughts?
 
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[flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

Dennis:

Thanks,

Jack


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 Embed with the object tag and reference filename.mxml.swf
 
 Create as a html page in a browser not embedded by referencing 
filename.mxml
 
  
 
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 Rob:
 
 Does the SWF have to be embedded in the web page or can it be
 standalone?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jack
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Jack,
  
  You compile the SWF on a server with Flex install. Then copy the 
 generated
  SWF over to your web server and embed it in a web page.
  
  The difference is that you don't need a Java Application Server 
 running.
  i.e. more system resources
  
  I'm not positive, but I think you need special licensing 
 permission from MM
  to deploy a Flex app without the server.
  
  Regards,
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  Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s)  Performance
  
  Darron:
  
  Thanks for your input.
  
  I read Ted's post. His production server does not have Flex.  
Where
  is the SWF being served from?
  
  Forgive my ignorance, but if you need a flex license for every 
 server
  the SWF sits on, what's the difference?
  
  Can you elaborate further?
  
  Thanks again,
  
  Jack
  
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   With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can 
 adequately
   access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is 
it
   better to ask how many per hour?
 
   
   See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
   http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
   
   I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex 
running 
 on 
  the 
   server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and 
place 
 it 
  on a 
   typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered 
 as 
  a .swf 
   and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing 
at 
  all.  
   I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send 
out .swf 
  files 
   fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license 
 for 
  every 
   server the .swf file sits on.
   
   You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as 
well, 
  but 
   you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you 
 can 
  use 
   ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little 
 shim 
   script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash 
 Player 
   (loading data across domains), depending on what server the 
web 
  services 
   are located on.
   
   Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
   signficant increase?
   
   In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which 
 is 
  a 
   binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's 
hard 
  to give 
   a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go 
  both ways...
   
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[flexcoders] Is there such a test

2005-07-19 Thread nostra72




To become a certifiedFlex Programmer, if so how hard is the test? I mean I was just wondering?





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[flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s) Performance

Rob:

Thanks,

Jack

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Jack,
 
 You need the Flash Player to run a SWF standalone, so in most 
cases you will
 embed it in a web page.
 
 You can get an idea of what the HTML looks like by viewing the 
source of the
 page on your development machine.
 
 Regards,
 Rob Rusher
 
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 e:[EMAIL PROTECTED] c:303.885.7044 im:robrusher
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:07 PM
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s)  Performance
 
 Rob:
 
 Does the SWF have to be embedded in the web page or can it be
 standalone?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jack
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Jack,
  
  You compile the SWF on a server with Flex install. Then copy the 
 generated
  SWF over to your web server and embed it in a web page.
  
  The difference is that you don't need a Java Application Server 
 running.
  i.e. more system resources
  
  I'm not positive, but I think you need special licensing 
 permission from MM
  to deploy a Flex app without the server.
  
  Regards,
  Rob Rusher
  
  Macromedia Certified Flex Instructor
  e:[EMAIL PROTECTED] c:303.885.7044 im:robrusher
  
  -Original Message-
  From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of jwc_wensan
  Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:59 PM
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex License(s)  Performance
  
  Darron:
  
  Thanks for your input.
  
  I read Ted's post. His production server does not have Flex.  
Where
  is the SWF being served from?
  
  Forgive my ignorance, but if you need a flex license for every 
 server
  the SWF sits on, what's the difference?
  
  Can you elaborate further?
  
  Thanks again,
  
  Jack
  
  --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Darron J. Schall 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   jwc_wensan wrote:
   
   With the above scenario how many simultaneous users can 
 adequately
   access the server before I would need a second server?  Or is 
it
   better to ask how many per hour?
 
   
   See Ted's entry here about scaling Flex:  
   http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/05/scaling-flex.php
   
   I completely agree with him as well.  I don't have Flex 
running 
 on 
  the 
   server at all.  Instead, I take my Flex-compiled .swf and 
place 
 it 
  on a 
   typical web server.  Then, the Flex application is delivered 
 as 
  a .swf 
   and there's no need for the server to do any extra processing 
at 
  all.  
   I've never had a server crash because it couldn't send 
out .swf 
  files 
   fast enough.  Keep in mind though, you'll need a Flex license 
 for 
  every 
   server the .swf file sits on.
   
   You can use RemoteObjects without a Flex server running as 
well, 
  but 
   you'll need to use another AMF gateway such as OpenAMF (or you 
 can 
  use 
   ColdFusion).  If you use WebServices, you might need a little 
 shim 
   script to get around the security restrictions of the Flash 
 Player 
   (loading data across domains), depending on what server the 
web 
  services 
   are located on.
   
   Also, I read somewhere that RemoteObjects is faster.  Is it a
   signficant increase?
   
   In general RemoteObjects are faster because it uses AMF, which 
 is 
  a 
   binary format and much less verbose than WebServices.  It's 
hard 
  to give 
   a definite yes/no answer because I've actually seen results go 
  both ways...
   
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RE: [flexcoders] Is there such a test

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Rusher











No such test as of yet.





Regards,

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?

2005-07-19 Thread Clint Modien

Hey Matt... can host another persons flex app on my license? *i would charge them for it*On 7/19/05, ejames8124
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Take a look at
http://www.openlaszlo.org/ this is an open sourceversion of a server side flash code generator that in the latest 3.xversion is matched very closely in features as Flex. It doesn't haveas fully featured a development environment as Flex Builder but the
current Open Source IDE for Laszlo is produced by IBM for the EclipseIDE environment and unlike Flex it is cross platform in thedevelopment side and best of all it is free. Don't get me wrong Ithink that Flex is great but the server cost just isn't in most
organizations budget.--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, naden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stace, I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at
Flex for one of our software projects. I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in general, whether it is worth the money etc Usability improvements and reduced development costs are always a
huge benefit :) Cheers, Naden On 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote: I think the critical factor is the first flex project. That's what
will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project needs to make a statement…or you
may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash. -Stace From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AM To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Agree with you.But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission critical would seem tiny – probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two.I also agree
with your choice of wording in seemingly free alternatives….J - Rick From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Depends what you're comparing. If I was a technical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what our application requirements were; I'd be
asking why we were spending ANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especially since... We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to
the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it
to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Longhorn Impact

2005-07-19 Thread JesterXL

No, there is tons of people putting 95+ million dollars a year in MM's 
pockets for Flash, and fixin' to put more for Flash Lite all collectively 
screaming for Flex' capabilities.  There are many smaller software shops 
that share the same sentiments, only don't take it as personally as I do and 
others of my ilk do.  Macromedia isn't deaf; they'll listen and most likely 
act.

By the time Longhorn is out, we'll make it look stupid.

- Original Message - 
From: jwc_wensan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Longhorn Impact


Jester:

I didn't mean how Flex could run on or with Longhorn, but rather
from the development side with .NET and other development platforms
that work with Longhorn/Avalon.

And don't have the same high server cost.

By pricing, I meant do you think with the release of Longhorn that
MM might lower their license price.

Thanks,

Jack


--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Straigh bangin' thread!!!

 XAML is an XML definition that is very low level and no one in
their right
 mind will hand code.  Therefore, there will be good editors to
write that
 for you.  Catch that?  An editor to write XMAL for you.

 XML is... what?  XML.

 MXML is... what?  XML.

 Compiling Flex apps to run in Avalon instead of SWF is awesome...
but, I'd
 put my dough (whatever I can scrounge away from the IRS) on
Macromedia's
 ability to capitalize on Longhorns features, thus, I'd rather have
Flex
 output the XAML that is a SWF hybrid; meaning, something like
Central that
 is desktop orientated, like Microsoft's SmartClient, and utilizes
the best
 of both worlds.

 If only I could accelerate time... or help Microsoft find their
arse...

 As far as pricing, no clue what your talking about; elaborate.


 - Original Message - 
 From: jwc_wensan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:38 PM
 Subject: [flexcoders] Longhorn Impact


 To All:

 Just interested to hear your opinions.

 Regardless of when Microsoft's Longhorn ships, either mid/late 2006
 or even 2007, what are your thoughts on its impact to the RIA
 development area?

 Will it force MM's hand on pricing?

 Other thoughts?

 Thanks,

 Jack




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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Longhorn Impact

2005-07-19 Thread Scott Barnes

I've played around in both, and in truth, FLEX by far seems the more
suitable pick. I guess Microsoft in many ways learnt a lot about
.NET and Browser-ware applications. It probably didn't really occur to
them until late in the piece that folks would prefer to have remote
applications that are accessible world-wide.

The language base is one thing if it takes too long to code then it
could also be a bitter pill to swallow, none the less if we based
technology on coding capabilities alone, then coldfusion should have
the entire market wrapped up in a nice neat bow, as its CFML is by far
less verbose then some of its competiting languages.


I think what will either make or break Longhorn is its user
development uptake, what I mean by that is we FLEX devs could have
the superior technoloy, but in the end we are still a relatively small
breed of people.

I get countless MSN's, Skype msgs, emails etc all asking Scott, whats
your thoughts on Laszlo or insert other technology here. I give my
opinion, and then ask why not flex? typical response. Price.

Won't debate the merits of the price tag, but essentially if people on
the street do think in that way and Longhorn offers a cheaper
alternative (ie excluding the Visual IDE tools) then people power may
win the battle, despite the technology benchmarks.

I'm sceptical in truth of it getting much initial traction, and if
Flash Player continues to gian in performance, it could very well
rival the traditional thickware applications.

Who knows what FLEX 2.0 will bring to the table, i mean it could go up
in price? how will we all handle that? or it could decrease in price
and centre itself around bundled packaging. No idea on whats real and
just simply what if point is until I see the end result of FLEX 2.0
or FLEX 2.5/3.0 I think its way too premature to speculate on Longhorn
vs FLEX.

As for Jesse's comment, Macromedia isn't deaf. They do listen, and
well (even though we the customer may not agree on direction at times,
they still listen to us the customer)


On 7/20/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, there is tons of people putting 95+ million dollars a year in MM's
 pockets for Flash, and fixin' to put more for Flash Lite all collectively
 screaming for Flex' capabilities.  There are many smaller software shops
 that share the same sentiments, only don't take it as personally as I do and
 others of my ilk do.  Macromedia isn't deaf; they'll listen and most likely
 act.
 
 By the time Longhorn is out, we'll make it look stupid.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: jwc_wensan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:07 PM
 Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Longhorn Impact
 
 
 Jester:
 
 I didn't mean how Flex could run on or with Longhorn, but rather
 from the development side with .NET and other development platforms
 that work with Longhorn/Avalon.
 
 And don't have the same high server cost.
 
 By pricing, I meant do you think with the release of Longhorn that
 MM might lower their license price.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jack
 
 
 --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Straigh bangin' thread!!!
 
  XAML is an XML definition that is very low level and no one in
 their right
  mind will hand code.  Therefore, there will be good editors to
 write that
  for you.  Catch that?  An editor to write XMAL for you.
 
  XML is... what?  XML.
 
  MXML is... what?  XML.
 
  Compiling Flex apps to run in Avalon instead of SWF is awesome...
 but, I'd
  put my dough (whatever I can scrounge away from the IRS) on
 Macromedia's
  ability to capitalize on Longhorns features, thus, I'd rather have
 Flex
  output the XAML that is a SWF hybrid; meaning, something like
 Central that
  is desktop orientated, like Microsoft's SmartClient, and utilizes
 the best
  of both worlds.
 
  If only I could accelerate time... or help Microsoft find their
 arse...
 
  As far as pricing, no clue what your talking about; elaborate.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: jwc_wensan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:38 PM
  Subject: [flexcoders] Longhorn Impact
 
 
  To All:
 
  Just interested to hear your opinions.
 
  Regardless of when Microsoft's Longhorn ships, either mid/late 2006
  or even 2007, what are your thoughts on its impact to the RIA
  development area?
 
  Will it force MM's hand on pricing?
 
  Other thoughts?
 
  Thanks,
 
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[flexcoders] RE: Flex Jusitification (Was: if I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?)

2005-07-19 Thread Scott Barnes

Firstly, moved this to a separate thread (no use hijacking an existing
one - hope no1 minds much)

I've moaned and groaned about the price tag since it was first
announced. I've been on both ends in trying to implement the
technology.

The thing is, it is selling, and since I last heard - selling well. If
you only have 1x Application that needs building and can't afford the
price tag, again seek the OEM edition(s) as they can be more
approachable.

As for recouping costs? We have approx 5-6 developers dedicated to
FLEX/CFMX development here, all costing around $70k+ AUD a year. Now,
if you broke down their output capabilities it would be safe to argue
that they could probably churn out about 9-15 Enterprise level
applications that suite the business a year.

Now, at this point use products like Laszlo (I mean especially now
with Flash Player 8's capabilties...again, yet another reason to keep
close to Macromedia) or DHTML in reality how many applications could
be made per year?

My point, is that it certainly can be justified in terms of why you
should buy it, but you have to target the right people with the right
information which underpins my comments I guess, as for me it was a
dramatic awakening here locally.

In a nutshell, we bought FLEX, it was great - except - I'm the only
developer here who knows the language, the rest look to me for
guidance how do i center the titlewindow popup etc.

I once broke down the pricing in reality terms, via my blog. I think I
guesstimated it would cost around 50k AUD in the first year, just to
implement it.

http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/235.cfm - Flex the Hidden Costs.

Now, looking back on it, so far it hasn't cost us as much. Mainly as
we are kind dodge in the way we implemented our FLEX environment (ie
using Single CPU servers for a start). Development machine is more of
a staging machine and we use the developers edition locally on pc's
to dev with.

We bypassed training costs, as in truth management were reluctant to
send all developers to Sydney so they can train.

The development team are taking baby steps into the product, at
present I've been the only one working on larger applications (which
isn't that bad i guess) while the others are easing into the product.

One thing I personally overlooked was the fact we also needed a J2EE
server. I had assumed that FLEX Commercial was much like Flex
Developer, in that it comes bundled with a standalone server. ..ok I'm
a moron and should of read the System Requirements a bit more closely.

So we had to upgrade Coldfusion 7 Prof to Coldfusion 7 Ent.

My point? at this stage if I were to be hauled into an office and
justify on why we should pursue with FLEX, I'd reluctantly  have to
take a sobering step back and ponder if it does hold merit? For me as
a developer personally, I've done more work in the last few months
then i would of if were forced to use DHTML or FLASH MX 2004. That's
for sure.

As for the other developers? hard to say on whether they gained
traction in terms of development speed. Part of me See's that they
were able to churn through the basic UI framework, yet I have to sadly
say they are still in the easing stage were the learning curve is
still there (so one could argue a reduction in output)

In truth, I probably could not accurately answer on whether we gained
or lost more in our FLEX investment. As for future investment? well
that goes without saying, simply put: we already have invested in it
and its too late to turn back now. Just means our shareholders will
have to buy a Honda next year instead of that BMW they had their eye
on ehehehe.

Hopefully the FLEX clientele will pick up as now I'm a committed FLEX
developer, and would love to continue a career in the product - yet,
Australia for one doesn't have much in the way of Job Offers with FLEX
(I've see/gotten more US based offers)

-- 
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com



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From: ejames8124 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jul 20, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other
peoples apps on the license?
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com


Take a look at http://www.openlaszlo.org/ this is an open source
version of a server side flash code generator that in the latest 3.x
version is matched very closely in features as Flex. It doesn't have
as fully featured a development environment as Flex Builder but the
current Open Source IDE for Laszlo is produced by IBM for the Eclipse
IDE environment and unlike Flex it is cross platform in the
development side and best of all it is free. Don't get me wrong I
think that Flex is great but the server cost just isn't in most
organizations budget.

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, naden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Stace,

 I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at
 Flex for one of our software projects.

 I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in
 general, whether it is worth the money

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Longhorn Impact

2005-07-19 Thread Clint Modien




I have to agree with Scott with MM's foothold this early in the game
they're pretty much assured dominance in the RIA marketplace M$ or not.
MSN search still pale's when compared to Google, and the XBox has to be
sold at a loss to compete with the PS2. When it comes to catch-up
I think M$ should leave that to Heinz. (Oh i can hear the groans
already on the last one) Laszlo is hot but Flex is more intuitive and
lets face it... MM writes the player. They build the sandbox flex plays
in. When you look at the number of small to medium sized business that
can not or will not adopt flex because of the price tag though I'm left
with only one question. What kind of flood would MM experience if
they lowered the price? I know from my own personal experience if
you have too many clients to service It's a lot like not enough butter
spread over too much bread. (to paraphrase tolkien)

I wonder if they're afraid of making too much money too quickly? 
It's the ONLY logical explanation that I can imagine for the flex price tag.
Would they be absolutely swamped with business if they lowered the price?
Is this an ingenious attempt at controlled growth?

If MM is trying to build a solid base first before they let flex
explode then my hat would be off to them... except i don't wear
one. But if i did it would most certainly be off.

On 7/19/05, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pe msgs, emails etc all asking Scott, whatsyour thoughts on Laszlo or inse






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RE: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to another TitleWindow

2005-07-19 Thread kreddington1

OK, here's a sample of what I'm trying to do.  I want Window2 to 
populate recpName.text which can be found in Window1 when the input 
field in Window2 is changed. 

If I change Window1 to be mx:Application, then recpName.text gets 
populated correctly, but once I change it back to TitleWindow, it 
breaks.

Thank you for your help,
Kim


Window1:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:TitleWindow xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; 
width=400 height=400 xmlns=* 
mx:Script
![CDATA[
import mx.containers.TitleWindow;
import mx.managers.PopUpManager;


function newWindow() {
   var addressPop:TitleWindow = TitleWindow
(PopUpManager.createPopUp(this, Window2));

}
]]
/mx:Script

mx:Text id=recpName /
mx:Button label=Cancel click=deletePopUp() /
mx:Button label=New Window click=newWindow() /
/mx:TitleWindow




Window2:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:TitleWindow xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; 
width=400 height=400 xmlns=* 
mx:Script
![CDATA[
function cancelPopUp() {
parentDocument.recpName.text = test.text;
deletePopUp();
}
]]
/mx:Script
mx:HBox 
mx:TextInput id=test /
/mx:HBox
mx:Button label=Cancel click=cancelPopUp() /
/mx:TitleWindow



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i'm not fully understanding the problem here, a code excerpt might 
help
clarify
 
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On
Behalf Of kreddington1
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:03 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: RE: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to 
another
TitleWindow


Using data binding, I run into the same problem.  The 2nd window 
doesn't seem to be able to talk to the first window. Is there 
another method I could try?

Thanks

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Sauro, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you should look into data binding.

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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On
Behalf Of Kim Reddington
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:33 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] TitleWindow passing vars back to another
TitleWindow


I have created a TitleWindow that opens another TitleWindow.  The 2nd
window contains a form.  I would like the data entered in the form 
to be
passed back to the 1st titlewindow.

If I make the first TitleWindow be an application, then I can use 
parentDocument.name.text = name.text

to pass the name back to the original screen, but if I try to use 
this
same line of code to pass the data from the 2nd TitleWindow to a 1st
TitleWindow, then the text control shows up blank.

Does this make sense?  Is it possible to pass data back to an open
TitleWindow?

Thanks,
Kim


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Deluxe Technologies
http://www.deluxetechnologies.com 
http://www.deluxetechnologies.com/ 
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[flexcoders] Re: TitleWindow passing vars back to another TitleWindow

2005-07-19 Thread mrvinedit

I hope this helps... First, yes it is possible. For brevity here's
some code snippets:

First Popup TitleWindow (code snippet) -
__
mx:Script
  function call2ndPopup() {
var initObj:Object = new Object();
var oUserInfo:Object = new Object();
// prepare optional data for popup
initObj = {oUserInfo: oUser};
// NOTE: var popup allows appending the listener and x, y
var popup:Object = mx.managers.PopUpManager.createPopUp(_root,
components.RFQRemove, true, initObj);
popup.x = ((mx.managers.SystemManager.screen.width - 720) / 2);
popup.y = 5;
popup.addEventListener(SomePassedBackData, this);
  }

function handleEvent(evt:Object):Void {
  if (evt.type == SomePassedBackData) {
// do something with the data returned from 2nd popup
  }
}
/mx:Script

Second Popup TitleWindow (code snippet) -
__
mx:Metadata
  [Event(SomePassedBackData)]
/mx:Metadata

mx:Script
  var blnSomeData:Boolean;

  function PreCloseHandler() {
dispatchEvent({type:'SomePassedBackData', blnSomeData:true});
this.deletePopUp();
  }
/mx:Script




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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?











Someone sent part of this thread to us
while we were down and I forwarded it to product management. Hopefully we will
see a more official answer from someone who understands the license in all its
glory detail. So this is coming from me with my trivial understanding of the
license and is *not* the official
Macromedia answer:



Q: Can you host another users Flex
application and charge them for it

A: No, this essentially turns you into a
hosting provider and that is not allowed by the license right now, though we
are working to see if this could work in the future.



You would especially not be allowed to
host using an NCL license, but that probably didnt need to be said J



Matt











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Hey Matt... can
host another persons flex app on my license? *i would charge them for it*









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[flexcoders] XML Safe String?











Im creating a XML snippet in AS
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like XMLFormat in CF?



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Re: [flexcoders] RE: Flex Jusitification (Was: if I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?)

2005-07-19 Thread Douglas Knudsen




good post. We just convinced the big boys to spring for Flex. Gota couple licenses at a vendor pricing, we have over 30 CF liceneses around here. Pricing was not so bad, we are a big oracle shop, Oracle is far from cheap. We also are a Siebel and Websphere shop in the enterprise area.We happen to have all Enterprise CF, so we can use JRun, I'm sure Tomcat could have been used just as well if we didn't have JRun around. 


I'm the lucky guinea pig that gets to churn out the first app. yeehaw!

BTW, nice breezo on synergy Scott.

DK
On 7/19/05, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Firstly, moved this to a separate thread (no use hijacking an existingone - hope no1 minds much)
I've moaned and groaned about the price tag since it was firstannounced. I've been on both ends in trying to implement thetechnology.The thing is, it is selling, and since I last heard - selling well. If
you only have 1x Application that needs building and can't afford theprice tag, again seek the OEM edition(s) as they can be moreapproachable.As for recouping costs? We have approx 5-6 developers dedicated to
FLEX/CFMX development here, all costing around $70k+ AUD a year. Now,if you broke down their output capabilities it would be safe to arguethat they could probably churn out about 9-15 Enterprise levelapplications that suite the business a year.
Now, at this point use products like Laszlo (I mean especially nowwith Flash Player 8's capabilties...again, yet another reason to keepclose to Macromedia) or DHTML in reality how many applications could
be made per year?My point, is that it certainly can be justified in terms of why youshould buy it, but you have to target the right people with the rightinformation which underpins my comments I guess, as for me it was a
dramatic awakening here locally.In a nutshell, we bought FLEX, it was great - except - I'm the onlydeveloper here who knows the language, the rest look to me forguidance how do i center the titlewindow popup etc.
I once broke down the pricing in reality terms, via my blog. I think Iguesstimated it would cost around 50k AUD in the first year, just toimplement it.
http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/235.cfm - Flex the Hidden Costs.Now, looking back on it, so far it hasn't cost us as much. Mainly aswe are kind dodge in the way we implemented our FLEX environment (ie
using Single CPU servers for a start). Development machine is more ofa staging machine and we use the developers edition locally on pc'sto dev with.We bypassed training costs, as in truth management were reluctant to
send all developers to Sydney so they can train.The development team are taking baby steps into the product, atpresent I've been the only one working on larger applications (whichisn't that bad i guess) while the others are easing into the product.
One thing I personally overlooked was the fact we also needed a J2EEserver. I had assumed that FLEX Commercial was much like FlexDeveloper, in that it comes bundled with a standalone server. ..ok I'ma moron and should of read the System Requirements a bit more closely.
So we had to upgrade Coldfusion 7 Prof to Coldfusion 7 Ent.My point? at this stage if I were to be hauled into an office andjustify on why we should pursue with FLEX, I'd reluctantlyhave totake a sobering step back and ponder if it does hold merit? For me as
a developer personally, I've done more work in the last few monthsthen i would of if were forced to use DHTML or FLASH MX 2004. That'sfor sure.As for the other developers? hard to say on whether they gained
traction in terms of development speed. Part of me See's that theywere able to churn through the basic UI framework, yet I have to sadlysay they are still in the easing stage were the learning curve is
still there (so one could argue a reduction in output)In truth, I probably could not accurately answer on whether we gainedor lost more in our FLEX investment. As for future investment? wellthat goes without saying, simply put: we already have invested in it
and its too late to turn back now. Just means our shareholders willhave to buy a Honda next year instead of that BMW they had their eyeon ehehehe.Hopefully the FLEX clientele will pick up as now I'm a committed FLEX
developer, and would love to continue a career in the product - yet,Australia for one doesn't have much in the way of Job Offers with FLEX(I've see/gotten more US based offers)--Regards,Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com-- message --From: ejames8124 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Jul 20, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host otherpeoples apps on the license?To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comTake a look at 
http://www.openlaszlo.org/ this is an open sourceversion of a server side flash code generator that in the latest 3.xversion is matched very closely in features as Flex. It doesn't haveas fully featured a development environment as Flex Builder but the
current Open Source IDE for Laszlo is produced by IBM for the EclipseIDE

RE: [flexcoders] extended tree class with improved drag and drop feedback available











Nice. Ive forwarded this on
internally in case there are ideas we might want to incorporate into the next
version.



Matt











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Subject: [flexcoders] extended
tree class with improved drag and drop feedback available





hello,
i was working on a project recently where the
client wanted the drag
and drop behaviour of the tree to be improved as
the tree they were
using only had folders in it and they felt the
black line wasn't very
intuitive.

so i extended the tree class for them, and now
i've extended it again
to handle folders and items. so it should be of
use to somebody.

the source code and a tutorial is at:
http://ed.eustace.net/index.php?id=15itemId=5sectionId=1

i'd welcome feedback on both as this is my first
foray into flex.
thanks 
ed












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RE: [flexcoders] XML Safe String?











Is escape() not going to cut it? We dont
have a function built-in that will do entity encoding.











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Im creating a XML snippet in AS
from a remote object and I need to escape any special xml charssomething
like XMLFormat in CF?



Muchos Gracias

Stace









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RE: [flexcoders] Minimal webapp











You need your MXML and AS files and
everything under WEB-INF/flex *except*
for the generated directory (which may be taking up some space). An empty
flex.war is approximately 11 MB though samples.war was about 18 MB to start.
If you just want the SWF (and dont need to re-compile) then Im
sure you can get away with a lot less, but assuming you have the developer
license that may only last you a day.



Matt











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webapp





Hi. I'm using flex for a
demo, I did a small master-detail app with
hsql, ibatis SqlMaps, Spring, SpringAdapter and
Flex ofcourse. The
thing is, how do i pack that application into a
war file, what do i
need to include? I took the explorer demo app and
modified it but now
I have 17Mb that i'm sure i don't need.
What are the jars needed?, Do i need the
as files.I'm new to flex i
still don't get it quite well

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RE: [flexcoders] XML Safe String?











Looked at that but is url encodingfor
now Im just using string util to replace stringsworks but iz
icky.



Thx Matt











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String?





Is escape() not going to cut it? We
dont have a function built-in that will do entity encoding.











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To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] XML Safe
String?





Im creating a XML snippet in AS
from a remote object and I need to escape any special xml charssomething
like XMLFormat in CF?



Muchos Gracias

Stace










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[flexcoders] Visible Enabled behavior for controls Containers

2005-07-19 Thread Ghislain Simard

Hi,
I'm trying to find a way to get the fields in a form visible or 
enabled based on a value received from an Object.  I'm sure I'm not 
far from the solution.  But as I am not skilled in ActioScript, I 
need some help to figure out this one.  I would like to get a 
generic script that could be applied to any containers or controls.

Thanks

Code:
//Object returned by the RemoteObject call 
var initVal:Object = result;

// function to configure the visible  enabled attributes
function controlBehavior(x:String):Void{
switch (x){
case 0:
this.visible = false;
this.enabled = true;
case 1:
this.visible = true;
this.enabled = false;
case 2:
this.visible = false;
}
}

mx:TextInput id=myInput text={iniVal.isoValue} 
creationComplete=controlBehavior(iniVal.isoStatus)/




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RE: [flexcoders] extra 2-cpu license











Careful about reselling that  might
want to check with your Account Manager first.





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What is the price?











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Our company has obtained an extra 2-CPU flex license from an
aquisition. With the recent changes in
flex's pricing, we thought 
there may be a market to sell it. If you are
interested, please 
contact me.

2 CPU license + 5 flex builder licenses.

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RE: [flexcoders] Longhorn Impact











I cant imagine it would. From a
developers perspective, are you going to want to create an application
that is available to ~50% of Windows installs 6 years after it debuts?





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To All:

Just interested to hear your opinions.

Regardless of when Microsoft's Longhorn ships,
either mid/late 2006
or even 2007, what are your thoughts on its impact
to the RIA
development area?

Will it force MM's hand on pricing?

Other thoughts?

Thanks,

Jack










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[flexcoders] Looking for a consistent way to close the current browser window in Flex