Re: [flexcoders] Re: Future Scope of Flex
Good Idea, it would be piling one hysteria on top of another so to speak ;) I urge you to consider I wrote this just before IE 8. Still runs pretty good. My first, a little embarrassing internally to me now but still. Compare way back then to the future you are asking for now. Try clicking a few lists or pictures etc http://archaeolibrary.com/ Dan Pride 1-303-800-0900 1-206-313-4607 Mobile http://danielpride.com www.linkedin.com/in/danielpride/ http://archaeolibrary.com/ http://RideshareGPS.com On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:40 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com [flexcoders] flexcoders@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm going to ignore your brush fire topic, but I will address two other points: juice under the hood. That is a concern for trying to emulate Flash or the current Flex SDK in JS since that is quite a bit of code. But for FlexJS, if you look at the prototype of the JQuery wrapping, it is a thin layer written to implement whatever was needed to implement an AS emulation of JQuery. So, in theory, if FlexJS using JQuery isn't fast enough, it probably wasn't going to be fast enough use JQuery either. And that's not a problem for the Apache Flex project. The browser companies know they need to get their JS implementations to work faster and computers and devices are getting faster. It might be a problem now, but may not be in the future. Also note that in many cases JS runs faster than AS. In the JS code we do write for FlexJS we are trying to re-use code as much as possible, which is supposed to take advantage of the JS optimizers. That's why FlexJS is using more composition instead of inheritance since AS doesn't support multiple inheritance. pixel-by-pixel control. If the industry demands it, the browser manufacturers will deliver. It doesn't matter for FlexJS, although it would probably make some things easier or faster. Already, we've seen significant convergence towards standards in the main browsers (IE, FF, Chrome, Android, IOS). Compare what we have today vs back in IE6 or even IE8. -Alex From: danielpr...@yahoo.com [flexcoders] flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Future Scope of Flex I certainly wish you the best with the javascript implementation. But have to admit to strong doubts about it. No matter how many hoops you put yourself through you are still working without many fundamentals of advanced programming. There just isn't the juice under the hood, maybe with parallel processing, but then we are getting close to a million monkeys banging on typewriters til they eventually produce a novel aren't we? I think the latest ie browser brought flash into the browser as a native element not a plug in. Like it or not you got it. I was stunned to hear it being done by MS, but its a brilliant way to bring about a correction to the market hysteria which dominated after Job's death, and Adobe's stupid response. Eventually the industry will demand pixel by pixel interface control, there just is no substitute equal to it by definition. After all the burning at the stake stuff, it will probably be called shadow o! r something, not flash, but a rose by any other name. At the risk of creating a never ending brush fire (oh what the hey its fun sometimes), I wonder if some of the jump on flash and pummel it hysteria had an unacknowledged element of gay bashing. Adobe, deserve it or not, like it or not, had quite a reputation. There was one advocate, I think it was in RTMP networking videos, that would insert short clips of himself getting back ended after about 45 minutes of mind numbing, real high end, discussion. I thought it was funny as hell, removed the glaze from your eyes, and dropped your jaw the first time you saw it, but i think others were not so amused. (Hey, Kiddies certainly aren't going to get that far into one of these unless they are enrolling at Harvard at 12 or something, and I survived the experience, and found the fast forward button). I think the bent over man statue in front of the offices also h! elped with the rep issue. BUT WHO CARES ! Credit where credit ! is due. There were some of the most brilliant programmers with some of the greatest contributions by software developers ever. We have witnessed a modern equivalent of the Salem Witch trials on this one for whatever reasons, and the amusing part is that we actually think we are advanced beyond that. Dan Pride P.S. Why can't women advocates get away with this once in a while :)
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Future Scope of Flex
Are you saying you've tried to port this to JS and it did not run as well? I'll try to remember this site as we work on FlexJS. Thanks, -Alex From: Dan Pride danielpr...@yahoo.commailto:danielpr...@yahoo.com [flexcoders] flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:34 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Future Scope of Flex Good Idea, it would be piling one hysteria on top of another so to speak ;) I urge you to consider I wrote this just before IE 8. Still runs pretty good. My first, a little embarrassing internally to me now but still. Compare way back then to the future you are asking for now. Try clicking a few lists or pictures etc http://archaeolibrary.com/ Dan Pride 1-303-800-0900 1-206-313-4607 Mobile http://danielpride.comhttp://danielpride.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/danielpride/http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpride/ http://archaeolibrary.com/ http://RideshareGPS.comhttp://gpsrideshare.com/ On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:40 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.commailto:aha...@adobe.com [flexcoders] flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm going to ignore your brush fire topic, but I will address two other points: juice under the hood. That is a concern for trying to emulate Flash or the current Flex SDK in JS since that is quite a bit of code. But for FlexJS, if you look at the prototype of the JQuery wrapping, it is a thin layer written to implement whatever was needed to implement an AS emulation of JQuery. So, in theory, if FlexJS using JQuery isn't fast enough, it probably wasn't going to be fast enough use JQuery either. And that's not a problem for the Apache Flex project. The browser companies know they need to get their JS implementations to work faster and computers and devices are getting faster. It might be a problem now, but may not be in the future. Also note that in many cases JS runs faster than AS. In the JS code we do write for FlexJS we are trying to re-use code as much as possible, which is supposed to take advantage of the JS optimizers. That's why FlexJS is using more composition instead of inheritance since AS doesn't support multiple inheritance. pixel-by-pixel control. If the industry demands it, the browser manufacturers will deliver. It doesn't matter for FlexJS, although it would probably make some things easier or faster. Already, we've seen significant convergence towards standards in the main browsers (IE, FF, Chrome, Android, IOS). Compare what we have today vs back in IE6 or even IE8. -Alex From: danielpr...@yahoo.commailto:danielpr...@yahoo.com [flexcoders] flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders@yahoogroups.commailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Future Scope of Flex I certainly wish you the best with the javascript implementation. But have to admit to strong doubts about it. No matter how many hoops you put yourself through you are still working without many fundamentals of advanced programming. There just isn't the juice under the hood, maybe with parallel processing, but then we are getting close to a million monkeys banging on typewriters til they eventually produce a novel aren't we? I think the latest ie browser brought flash into the browser as a native element not a plug in. Like it or not you got it. I was stunned to hear it being done by MS, but its a brilliant way to bring about a correction to the market hysteria which dominated after Job's death, and Adobe's stupid response. Eventually the industry will demand pixel by pixel interface control, there just is no substitute equal to it by definition. After all the burning at the stake stuff, it will probably be called shadow o! r something, not flash, but a rose by any other name. At the risk of creating a never ending brush fire (oh what the hey its fun sometimes), I wonder if some of the jump on flash and pummel it hysteria had an unacknowledged element of gay bashing. Adobe, deserve it or not, like it or not, had quite a reputation. There was one advocate, I think it was in RTMP networking videos, that would insert short clips of himself getting back ended after about 45 minutes of mind numbing, real high end, discussion. I thought it was funny as hell, removed the glaze from your eyes, and dropped your jaw the first time you saw it, but i think others were not so amused. (Hey, Kiddies certainly aren't going to get