Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Douglas McCarroll]

Thanks, Anatole!

Anatole Tartakovsky wrote:
>
> http://coenraets.org/blog/2006/09/30-minutes-flex-test-drive-for-java-developers/
>  
> 
>  - 
> take war file there
>
>  
> On 9/22/06, *Douglas McCarroll* 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Anatole Tartakovsky wrote:
> You need to provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack
> preinstalled -
> pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described in his blog
>
> Anatole - can you provide a link to Chris's blog post that you
> refer to
> here?
>
> .
>
>  





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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Anatole Tartakovsky]

http://coenraets.org/blog/2006/09/30-minutes-flex-test-drive-for-java-developers/ - take war file there
 
On 9/22/06, Douglas McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






Anatole Tartakovsky wrote:You need to provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack preinstalled -pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described in his blog
Anatole - can you provide a link to Chris's blog post that you refer to here?>> I do not think it would be that simple. Java server configuration can 
> be somewhat difficult. Java hosting never took off. Add just 1 hour of > support time per month and the costs of the hosting becomes irrelevant.> > However, it is feasable by using dedicated machines in the same price 
> range (I am using eSecureData.com - very good value and quality > machines, and they do not sell beyond promissed capacity) . You need > to provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack 
> preinstalled - pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described > in his blog so that you have free good quality products hosted within > either VMWARE or XEN infrastructure and place deployment 
> responsibilities on the client.> > However, Java + OS has to be sized well beyond php requirements - at > least 512MB, with clients needing more memory in most of the cases. > With 75% of average server load you would need to charge around $70/mo 
> just to get even - and that is with outsourced email-only support.> > Regards,> Anatole Tartakovsky> >> 
> On 9/20/06, *Kelly* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>> Is it really that hard to just pay for a server or a virtual> server and> install it yourself?>> You can get decent virtual dedicated servers for like $60/month.
>> It's not hard at all to install fds when you have root access to a> server.>> Makes me think I should just do it and sell it as a service.>> --Kelly>>>
> -Original Message-> From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:> 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Douglas McCarroll> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:14 PM
> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )>> I've checked with CFDynamics. They say "Unfortunately, at this
> time, an> ETA is unavailable.">> It seems to me that it would be in Adobe's interests to do> whatever it> can to facilitate making FDS hosting available. A friend of mine
> thinks> that he may be able to help me out, but I'm sure that there are a> lot of> people out there with no options for deploying FDS apps at this> point...>> I'm not talking about full-scale enterprise hosting - just an Express
> FDS equivalent...>> Matt Chotin wrote:> >> > Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it. I'm not sure if others have> > been considering it recently, I'll ask Eric but we haven't seen a
> > massive request for it recently.> >> > Matt> >> > ------> >> > *From:* 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:> flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>]> > *On Behalf Of *Brendan Meutzner> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:59 PM> > *To:* 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )> >> > I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the> > question to them...
> >> >> > Brendan> >> >> > On 9/19/06, *Douglas McCarroll* <> > 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> org.yahoo_primary.001%40douglasmcc
arroll.com>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> org.yahoo_primary.001%40douglasmcc
arroll.com>>> wrote:> >> > Paul Andrews wrote:> >> > > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)> >> > Are there any solutions available for FDS?
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Douglas McCarroll]

Anatole Tartakovsky wrote:
You need to  provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack 
preinstalled -
pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described in his blog

Anatole - can you provide a link to Chris's blog post that you refer to 
here?


>
> I do not think it would be that simple. Java server configuration can 
> be somewhat difficult. Java hosting never took off. Add just 1 hour of 
> support time per month and the costs of the hosting becomes irrelevant.
>  
> However, it is feasable by using dedicated machines in the same price 
> range (I am using eSecureData.com - very good value and quality 
> machines, and they do not sell beyond promissed capacity) . You need 
> to  provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack 
> preinstalled - pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described 
> in his blog so that you have free good quality products hosted within 
> either VMWARE or XEN infrastructure and place deployment 
> responsibilities on the client.
>  
> However, Java + OS has to be sized well beyond php requirements - at 
> least 512MB, with clients needing more memory in most of the cases. 
> With 75% of average server load you would need to charge around $70/mo 
> just to get even - and that is with outsourced email-only support.
>  
> Regards,
> Anatole Tartakovsky
>  
>
>  
> On 9/20/06, *Kelly* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Is it really that hard to just pay for a server or a virtual
> server and
> install it yourself?
>
> You can get decent virtual dedicated servers for like $60/month.
>
> It's not hard at all to install fds when you have root access to a
> server.
>
> Makes me think I should just do it and sell it as a service.
>
> --Kelly
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Douglas McCarroll
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:14 PM
> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )
>
> I've checked with CFDynamics. They say "Unfortunately, at this
> time, an
> ETA is unavailable."
>
> It seems to me that it would be in Adobe's interests to do
> whatever it
> can to facilitate making FDS hosting available. A friend of mine
> thinks
> that he may be able to help me out, but I'm sure that there are a
> lot of
> people out there with no options for deploying FDS apps at this
> point...
>
> I'm not talking about full-scale enterprise hosting - just an Express
> FDS equivalent...
>
> Matt Chotin wrote:
> >
> > Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it. I'm not sure if others have
> > been considering it recently, I'll ask Eric but we haven't seen a
> > massive request for it recently.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > --
> >
> > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Brendan Meutzner
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:59 PM
> > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )
> >
> > I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the
> > question to them...
> >
> >
> > Brendan
> >
> >
> > On 9/19/06, *Douglas McCarroll* <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:org.yahoo_primary.001%40douglasmccarroll.com>
> >  <mailto:org.yahoo_primary.001%40douglasmccarroll.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Paul Andrews wrote:
> >
> > > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)
> >
> > Are there any solutions available for FDS?
> >
> > It sounds like there aren't. :-(
> >
> > Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?
> >
> >
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RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Kelly]

I wasn’t serious.

 

Hosting is one of the most saturated markets
there is.

 

I just can’t figure out why people
who are willing to take the time to learn the intricacies of FDS are too lazy
to figure out how to get a virtual server through a hosting provider and setup
FDS on it.

 

It only takes like an hour to set it all
up if you know how. (If you don’t know how then why are you trying to use
FDS?)

 

 

 

--Kelly

 

 

 









From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anatole Tartakovsky
Sent: Wednesday, September 20,
2006 6:41 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0
Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )



 










I do not think it would be that simple. Java server configuration can be
somewhat difficult. Java hosting never took off. Add just 1 hour of
support time per month and the costs of the hosting becomes irrelevant.





 





However, it is feasable by using dedicated machines in the same price
range (I am using eSecureData.com - very good value and quality
machines, and they do not sell beyond promissed capacity) . You need to
 provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack preinstalled
- pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described in his blog so that
you have free good quality products hosted within either VMWARE or XEN
infrastructure and place deployment responsibilities on the client. 





 





However, Java + OS has to be sized well beyond php requirements - at
least 512MB, with clients needing more memory in most of the cases. With 75% of
average server load you would need to charge around $70/mo just to get even -
and that is with outsourced email-only support. 





 





Regards,





Anatole Tartakovsky





 






 





On 9/20/06, Kelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
wrote: 











Is it really that hard to just pay for a server or a
virtual server and
install it yourself?

You can get decent virtual dedicated servers for like $60/month.

It's not hard at all to install fds when you have root access to a server. 

Makes me think I should just do it and sell it as a service.

--Kelly







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com]
On





Behalf Of Douglas
McCarroll
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com

Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

I've checked with CFDynamics. They say "Unfortunately, at this time, an 
ETA is unavailable."

It seems to me that it would be in Adobe's interests to do whatever it 
can to facilitate making FDS hosting available. A friend of mine thinks 
that he may be able to help me out, but I'm sure that there are a lot of 
people out there with no options for deploying FDS apps at this point... 

I'm not talking about full-scale enterprise hosting - just an Express 
FDS equivalent...

Matt Chotin wrote:
>
> Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it. I'm not sure if others have 
> been considering it recently, I'll ask Eric but we haven't seen a 
> massive request for it recently.
>
> Matt
>
> --
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Brendan Meutzner 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:59 PM
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )
>
> I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the 
> question to them...
>
>
> Brendan
>
>
> On 9/19/06, *Douglas McCarroll* < 
> org.yahoo_primary.[EMAIL PROTECTED]roll.com 
>  org.yahoo_primary.[EMAIL PROTECTED]roll.com >>
wrote:
>
> Paul Andrews wrote:
>
> > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)
>
> Are there any solutions available for FDS? 
>
> It sounds like there aren't. :-( 
>
> Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?
>
> 

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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Anatole Tartakovsky]

I do not think it would be that simple. Java server configuration can be somewhat difficult. Java hosting never took off. Add just 1 hour of support time per month and the costs of the hosting becomes irrelevant.

 
However, it is feasable by using dedicated machines in the same price range (I am using eSecureData.com - very good value and quality machines, and they do not sell beyond promissed capacity) . You need to  provide preconfigured VMs with complete software stack preinstalled - pretty much the configuration Chris Coenraets described in his blog so that you have free good quality products hosted within either VMWARE or XEN infrastructure and place deployment responsibilities on the client.

 
However, Java + OS has to be sized well beyond php requirements - at least 512MB, with clients needing more memory in most of the cases. With 75% of average server load you would need to charge around $70/mo just to get even - and that is with outsourced email-only support.

 
Regards,
Anatole Tartakovsky
 
 
On 9/20/06, Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 






Is it really that hard to just pay for a server or a virtual server andinstall it yourself?You can get decent virtual dedicated servers for like $60/month.It's not hard at all to install fds when you have root access to a server. 
Makes me think I should just do it and sell it as a service.--Kelly
-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Douglas McCarrollSent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:14 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )I've checked with CFDynamics. They say "Unfortunately, at this time, an ETA is unavailable."It seems to me that it would be in Adobe's interests to do whatever it 
can to facilitate making FDS hosting available. A friend of mine thinks that he may be able to help me out, but I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there with no options for deploying FDS apps at this point...
I'm not talking about full-scale enterprise hosting - just an Express FDS equivalent...Matt Chotin wrote:>> Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it. I'm not sure if others have > been considering it recently, I'll ask Eric but we haven't seen a 
> massive request for it recently.>> Matt>> -->> *From:* 
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Brendan Meutzner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:59 PM> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Flex 
2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )>> I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the > question to them...>>> Brendan>>> On 9/19/06, *Douglas McCarroll* < 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote:>> Paul Andrews wrote:>> > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)>> Are there any solutions available for FDS?
>> It sounds like there aren't. :-( >> Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?>> --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: 
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RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Kelly]

Is it really that hard to just pay for a server or a virtual server and
install it yourself?

You can get decent virtual dedicated servers for like $60/month.


It's not hard at all to install fds when you have root access to a server.


Makes me think I should just do it and sell it as a service.



--Kelly








-Original Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Douglas McCarroll
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:14 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

I've checked with CFDynamics. They say "Unfortunately, at this time, an 
ETA is unavailable."

It seems to me that it would be in Adobe's interests to do whatever it 
can to facilitate making FDS hosting available. A friend of mine thinks 
that he may be able to help me out, but I'm sure that there are a lot of 
people out there with no options for deploying FDS apps at this point...

I'm not talking about full-scale enterprise hosting - just an Express 
FDS equivalent...



Matt Chotin wrote:
>
> Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it. I'm not sure if others have 
> been considering it recently, I'll ask Eric but we haven't seen a 
> massive request for it recently.
>
> Matt
>
> 
>
> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> *On Behalf Of *Brendan Meutzner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:59 PM
> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )
>
> I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the 
> question to them...
>
>
> Brendan
>
>
> On 9/19/06, *Douglas McCarroll* < 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Paul Andrews wrote:
>
> > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)
>
> Are there any solutions available for FDS?
>
> It sounds like there aren't. :-(
>
> Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?
>
>  



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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Douglas McCarroll]

I've checked with CFDynamics. They say "Unfortunately, at this time, an 
ETA is unavailable."

It seems to me that it would be in Adobe's interests to do whatever it 
can to facilitate making FDS hosting available. A friend of mine thinks 
that he may be able to help me out, but I'm sure that there are a lot of 
people out there with no options for deploying FDS apps at this point...

I'm not talking about full-scale enterprise hosting - just an Express 
FDS equivalent...



Matt Chotin wrote:
>
> Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it. I’m not sure if others have 
> been considering it recently, I’ll ask Eric but we haven’t seen a 
> massive request for it recently.
>
> Matt
>
> 
>
> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> *On Behalf Of *Brendan Meutzner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:59 PM
> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )
>
> I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the 
> question to them...
>
>
> Brendan
>
>
> On 9/19/06, *Douglas McCarroll* < 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Paul Andrews wrote:
>
> > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)
>
> Are there any solutions available for FDS?
>
> It sounds like there aren't. :-(
>
> Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?
>
>  



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RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Matt Chotin]

Yes, CFDynamics has been considering it.  I’m
not sure if others have been considering it recently, I’ll ask Eric but
we haven’t seen a massive request for it recently.

 

Matt

 









From:
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006
3:59 PM
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I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth
posing the question to them...


Brendan






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wrote:











Paul Andrews
wrote:

> Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem.
;-)





Are there any solutions
available for FDS?

It sounds like there aren't. :-( 

Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?













 








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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Brendan Meutzner]

I've heard that CFDyanmics is considering it... worth posing the question to them...BrendanOn 9/19/06, Douglas McCarroll <
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Paul Andrews wrote:

> Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)

Are there any solutions available for FDS?

It sounds like there aren't.  :-( 

Could someone from Adobe comment on whether Adobe is working on this?


  















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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

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Paul Andrews wrote:

 > Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)

Are there any solutions available for FDS?

It sounds like there aren't.  :-( 

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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

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> Hi all,
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> Thanks,
> Bruce

Hosting Flex isn't a problem, it's FDS that's the problem. ;-)

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RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Flex 2.0 Hosting ( Cheap / Inexpensive )

[Shannon Hicks]

What are your requirements? Flex 2.0 doesn't need anything 
special (it's just flash)... So you probably need a specific 
backend.
 
Unless you're looking for FDS hosting.
 
Shan


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Hi all,

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Thanks,
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