Re: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Alex Harui]

Maybe set a minWidth on the SkinnableContainer or its parent.


On 6/11/10 8:15 AM, "Wally Kolcz"  wrote:






And how would you combat this? I have a normal AIR application that just 
launches and then goes full screen.

On 6/10/2010 1:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote:



I would recommend debugging into it and checking dimensions.  The 
SkinnableContainer’s parent may be momentarily of an unexpected size.


On 6/10/10 10:13 AM, "Wally Kolcz"  wrote:








Ok, interesting...where would the width compute to 0? Its attached to a 
SkinnableContainer that is well larger than that. It is set to 35px tall by 
100%. The applications minimum width is 800..nowhere near a 0.

On 6/10/2010 1:07 PM, Alex Harui wrote:




It is the ButtonSkin that is throwing the error.  Usually this is because it 
has been squeezed too much.  If the Container’s width computes to 0, then the 
layout padding will compute the button’s width as a negative number.












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http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

Re: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Wally Kolcz]

And how would you combat this? I have a normal AIR application that just 
launches and then goes full screen.


On 6/10/2010 1:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote:


I would recommend debugging into it and checking dimensions.  The 
SkinnableContainer’s parent may be momentarily of an unexpected size.



On 6/10/10 10:13 AM, "Wally Kolcz" > wrote:







Ok, interesting...where would the width compute to 0? Its attached
to a SkinnableContainer that is well larger than that. It is set
to 35px tall by 100%. The applications minimum width is
800..nowhere near a 0.

On 6/10/2010 1:07 PM, Alex Harui wrote:




It is the ButtonSkin that is throwing the error.  Usually this
is because it has been squeezed too much.  If the Container’s
width computes to 0, then the layout padding will compute the
button’s width as a negative number.









--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe System, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui 

Re: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Alex Harui]

I would recommend debugging into it and checking dimensions.  The 
SkinnableContainer’s parent may be momentarily of an unexpected size.


On 6/10/10 10:13 AM, "Wally Kolcz"  wrote:






Ok, interesting...where would the width compute to 0? Its attached to a 
SkinnableContainer that is well larger than that. It is set to 35px tall by 
100%. The applications minimum width is 800..nowhere near a 0.

On 6/10/2010 1:07 PM, Alex Harui wrote:



It is the ButtonSkin that is throwing the error.  Usually this is because it 
has been squeezed too much.  If the Container’s width computes to 0, then the 
layout padding will compute the button’s width as a negative number.









--
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Flex SDK Team
Adobe System, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

Re: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Wally Kolcz]

Ok, interesting...where would the width compute to 0? Its attached to a 
SkinnableContainer that is well larger than that. It is set to 35px tall 
by 100%. The applications minimum width is 800..nowhere near a 0.


On 6/10/2010 1:07 PM, Alex Harui wrote:


It is the ButtonSkin that is throwing the error.  Usually this is 
because it has been squeezed too much.  If the Container’s width 
computes to 0, then the layout padding will compute the button’s width 
as a negative number.

Re: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Alex Harui]

It is the ButtonSkin that is throwing the error.  Usually this is because it 
has been squeezed too much.  If the Container’s width computes to 0, then the 
layout padding will compute the button’s width as a negative number.


On 6/10/10 9:36 AM, "Wally Kolcz"  wrote:






If you are referring to the Container Skin, its just a stock skin
template with the color changed to black. Remove the button and the
error does not happen and the app runs fine with nice black area, semi
transparent.






http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009";
xmlns:s="library://ns.adobe.com/flex/spark"
 xmlns:fb="http://ns.adobe.com/flashbuilder/2009"; alpha.disabled="0.5">

































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Flex SDK Team
Adobe System, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

Re: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Wally Kolcz]

If you are referring to the Container Skin, its just a stock skin 
template with the color changed to black. Remove the button and the 
error does not happen and the app runs fine with nice black area, semi 
transparent.






http://ns.adobe.com/mxml/2009"; 
xmlns:s="library://ns.adobe.com/flex/spark"
 xmlns:fb="http://ns.adobe.com/flashbuilder/2009"; alpha.disabled="0.5">

RE: [flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Gregor Kiddie]

Let's see the skin. The error's getting thrown from that.

[flexcoders] Ok, Adobe Experts...Explain this...

[Wally Kolcz]

This goes out to any Adobe Engineers on the board...or anyone who is 
smarter than me...

Why would this snippet of code:









Throw this error:
ArgumentError: Error #2004: One of the parameters is invalid.
 at flash.display::Graphics/drawRoundRect()
 at 
spark.primitives::Rect/draw()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\primitives\Rect.as:459]
 at 
spark.primitives.supportClasses::StrokedElement/updateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\primitives\supportClasses\StrokedElement.as:143]
 at 
spark.primitives.supportClasses::GraphicElement/http://www.adobe.com/2006/flex/mx/internal::doUpdateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\primitives\supportClasses\GraphicElement.as:3828]
 at 
spark.primitives.supportClasses::GraphicElement/validateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\primitives\supportClasses\GraphicElement.as:3812]
 at 
spark.components::Group/updateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\components\Group.as:956]
 at 
spark.skins::SparkSkin/updateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\skins\SparkSkin.as:191]
 at 
spark.skins.spark::ButtonSkin/updateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\spark\src\spark\skins\spark\ButtonSkin.mxml:77]
 at 
mx.core::UIComponent/validateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\framework\src\mx\core\UIComponent.as:8531]
 at 
mx.managers::LayoutManager/validateDisplayList()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\framework\src\mx\managers\LayoutManager.as:663]
 at 
mx.managers::LayoutManager/doPhasedInstantiation()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\framework\src\mx\managers\LayoutManager.as:718]
 at 
mx.managers::LayoutManager/doPhasedInstantiationCallback()[E:\dev\4.0.0\frameworks\projects\framework\src\mx\managers\LayoutManager.as:1072]

Here is a hint, its the button that is the culprit. I have a theory but 
don't see any documentation or Google results that confirm...so please 
explain.

Thanks!

RE: [flexcoders] Ok i was able to isolate why the error occurs maybe this will help you

[Tracy Spratt]

Well, I asked specifically if the checkbox was in a TabNavigator, and
you said, "NO".  Are you perhaps not giving my responses serious
attention?

Tracy

 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason B
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:55 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Ok i was able to isolate why the error occurs
maybe this will help you

 

Ok i was able to isolate why the error occurs

if i reference an object which is in the tabnavigator and that tab is
not selected it will throw an error

but if i reference a checkbox on the current selected tab its fine?

 

[flexcoders] Ok i was able to isolate why the error occurs maybe this will help you

[Jason B]

Ok i was able to isolate why the error occurs

if i reference an object which is in the tabnavigator and that tab is
not selected it will throw an error


but if i reference a checkbox on the current selected tab its fine?

[flexcoders] ok then - addChildAction

[grimmwerks]

If I have something with 3 elements in a state, how do I use  
AddChildAction? Does an AddChildAction make ALL the 'addChild'  
elements come on, or can you target specific elements to be added?

Re: [flexcoders] OK,

[greg h]

Patrick,

Jesse Warden did a nice job walking through using the "Flex Component Kit
for Flash 
CS3"
in the following blog post:

Example for Flex Component Kit for Flash CS3
http://www.jessewarden.com/archives/2007/04/example_for_fle.html

hth,

g

Re: [flexcoders] OK,

[{reduxdj}]

Alex:

I have been out of the loop.  I guess I expected  this to be hooked 
together already (especially since we had to wait for flash so long ;)
Downloading my kit right now.

Thanks for your time, 
Patrick

Alex Harui wrote:
>
> http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit 
> <http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit>
>
>  
>
> The swfloader.content should be a MovieClip.  Or it might have one 
> child that is the MovieClip for the main timeline
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> *On Behalf Of *patricklemiuex
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:16 PM
> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [flexcoders] OK,
>
>  
>
> Alex
>
> thanks.
>
> Couple questions?
>
> Where is this flash integration kit? Is there a simple external shell
> class to start with this?
>
> What about accessing simple timeline controls? All I want to do is be
> able to tell my timeline in my loaded SWF to play.
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
>  

RE: [flexcoders] OK,

[Alex Harui]

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Component_Kit

 

The swfloader.content should be a MovieClip.  Or it might have one child
that is the MovieClip for the main timeline

 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of patricklemiuex
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:16 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] OK,

 

Alex 

thanks.

Couple questions?

Where is this flash integration kit? Is there a simple external shell
class to start with this?

What about accessing simple timeline controls? All I want to do is be
able to tell my timeline in my loaded SWF to play.

Thanks,
Patrick

 

[flexcoders] OK,

[patricklemiuex]

Alex 

thanks.

Couple questions?

Where is this flash integration kit?  Is there a simple external shell
class to start with this?

What about accessing simple timeline controls?  All I want to do is be
able to tell my timeline in my loaded SWF to play.

Thanks,
Patrick

Re: [flexcoders] OK, seriously. Why can't I make a global var?

[dj]

Van De Velde:

I tried you example to get the singleton pattern down of creating some 
global static variables.  Of course
I created my package and class for my own set-up and I'm getting compile 
errors.  

Thanks for your help, being a relative newcomer, I appreciate your time 
and patience,
Patrick

com.yourProject.config.AppSettings.getInstance().getWhatever();

(of course I renamed this to package, etc...)



SeverityDescriptionResourceIn FolderLocationCreation 
TimeId
21120: Access of undefined property com.p1.mxmlpollsline 
57November 18, 2006 10:12:59 PM4099


var myAppSettings:AppSettings = 
com.yourProject.config.AppSettings.getInstance();
myAppSettings.getWhatever();

SeverityDescriptionResourceIn FolderLocationCreation 
TimeId
21046: Type was not found or was not a compile-time constant: 
AppSettings.p1.mxmlpollsline 56November 18, 2006 
10:14:26 PM4102










Van De Velde Hans wrote:
>
> A good practice to keep global variables is by creating a class with 
> *public static variables*
> and *access those properties *directly *via the class*, for example 
> via com.yourProject.Globals.globalParam1,
>  
> or if you want something more advanced, create a singleton class :
> like for example :
>  
> package com.yourProject.config
> {
>  public class AppSettings
>  {
> // self-reference
> private static var appSettings:AppSettings;
>
> public var _whateverVariable:String;
>  
> // please note the private constructor   
> private function AppSettings(){
> }
>  
> public static function getInstance():AppSettings
> {
>if(!appSettings){
> appSettings = new AppSettings();
>}
>
>return appSettings;
> }
>  
> public function getWhatever():String
> {
> return "whatever";
> }
>  
> // implicit getter
> public function get whatever():String
> {
> return _whateverVariable;
> }
>  
> // implicit setter
> public function set whatever(_whateverVariable:String):void
> {
> this._whateverVariable = _whateverVariable;
> }
>  }
> }
>  
> 
>  
> then, use it like this:
>  
> com.yourProject.config.AppSettings.getInstance().getWhatever();
>  
> or directly access a property:
>  
> com.yourProject.config.AppSettings.getInstance().whatever
>  
> to simplify the reading of your code, you can also store the returned 
> instance in a local variablen like this:
>  
> var myAppSettings:AppSettings = 
> com.yourProject.config.AppSettings.getInstance();
> myAppSettings.getWhatever();
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
> -----Original Message-
> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Gordon Smith
> *Sent:* zaterdag 11 november 2006 6:29
> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] OK, seriously. Why can't I make a
> global var?
>
> This is not technically a global variable. It is simply
> an instance var of the Application object..
>
> - Gordon
>
> ------------
>
> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Karl Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2006 12:57 PM
> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] OK, seriously. Why can't I make a
> global var?
>
> You can use mx.core.Application.application.myVar = "hooray!"; if
> you really want to access a global variable like that.
>
> |<
>
>     Karl Johnson
>
> Cynergy Systems
>
> 
>
> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *poolpcs
> *Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2006 1:13 PM
> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [flexcoders] OK, seriously. Why can't I make a global var?
>
> After years (and years and years) of programming Flash, I'm used
> to being able to simply say:
>
> _root.myVar = "hooray!"
>
> and being able to see that variable anywhere.
>
> Why in God's green earth can't I do the same in Flex? I have a
> custom login component which
> is currently a child of the base app, sitting in a view state. All
> I want to do is grab one of the
> returned values that the login gets (emailaddress) and let other
> sections of my program see
> that.
>
>

RE: [flexcoders] Ok, now a problem with creating a new CF Remoting Project

[Richard Kroll]

This is a known issue with the flex
builder.  I was just at CFUnited, and the adobe folks knew that there was a
problem with the plugin / builder if you are not using the built in server. 
The workaround they gave me was to create a standard flex project then right
click on the project and go to compiler properties, then add “-locale
en_US -services
"C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\WEB-INF\flex\flex-enterprise-services.xml". 
They told me this is the only difference between the default flex project and a
coldfusion remoting project.

 

HTH,

Rich
 Kroll

Application Developer

 









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Subject: [flexcoders] Ok, now a
problem with creating a new CF Remoting Project



 







Trying to
create a new Flex Project using the Coldfusion Flash Remoting Service. First
problem is it does not pull the server address from the RDS settings as I would
expect. It keeps trying to access the CF standalone server on port 8500, which
I do not use. 

On my development machine I have CF installed connected to IIS. So I uncheck
the use local coldfusion server, since it's not actually accessing my local
coldfusion server correctly, and changed the root URL to just be " http://localhost/" as should be correct.
However, it won't validate the location of "C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot",
which is where I have coldfusion installed and where the WEB-INF/flex folder
resides. However, it tells me it's an invalid server root and won't let me
procede. 

When I use the Coldfusion CRUD Application Wizard things work flawlessly so I
know all is good with my server configuration. Anyone know what might be the
cause of the issue? Thanks!

Nick






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Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Ok, now a problem with creating a new CF Remoting Project

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LOL, ok so how often does that happen that I updated my production server but failed to update my development server to the latest build.On 7/4/06, Shannon Hicks
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I had that problem... I had forgotten to install the real 
7.0.2 update to CF.. I still had the B3 stuff installed.
 
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Trying to create a new Flex Project using the Coldfusion Flash Remoting 
Service. First problem is it does not pull the server address from the RDS 
settings as I would expect. It keeps trying to access the CF standalone server 
on port 8500, which I do not use. On my development machine I have CF 
installed connected to IIS. So I uncheck the use local coldfusion server, since 
it's not actually accessing my local coldfusion server correctly, and changed 
the root URL to just be " http://localhost/" as 
should be correct. However, it won't validate the location of 
"C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot", which is where I have coldfusion installed and where 
the WEB-INF/flex folder resides. However, it tells me it's an invalid server 
root and won't let me procede. When I use the Coldfusion CRUD 
Application Wizard things work flawlessly so I know all is good with my server 
configuration. Anyone know what might be the cause of the issue? 
Thanks!Nick
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RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Ok, now a problem with creating a new CF Remoting Project

[Shannon Hicks]

I had that problem... I had forgotten to install the real 
7.0.2 update to CF.. I still had the B3 stuff installed.
 
Shan


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Trying to create a new Flex Project using the Coldfusion Flash Remoting 
Service. First problem is it does not pull the server address from the RDS 
settings as I would expect. It keeps trying to access the CF standalone server 
on port 8500, which I do not use. On my development machine I have CF 
installed connected to IIS. So I uncheck the use local coldfusion server, since 
it's not actually accessing my local coldfusion server correctly, and changed 
the root URL to just be " http://localhost/" as 
should be correct. However, it won't validate the location of 
"C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot", which is where I have coldfusion installed and where 
the WEB-INF/flex folder resides. However, it tells me it's an invalid server 
root and won't let me procede. When I use the Coldfusion CRUD 
Application Wizard things work flawlessly so I know all is good with my server 
configuration. Anyone know what might be the cause of the issue? 
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Trying to create a new Flex Project using the Coldfusion Flash Remoting Service. First problem is it does not pull the server address from the RDS settings as I would expect. It keeps trying to access the CF standalone server on port 8500, which I do not use. 
On my development machine I have CF installed connected to IIS. So I uncheck the use local coldfusion server, since it's not actually accessing my local coldfusion server correctly, and changed the root URL to just be "
http://localhost/" as should be correct. However, it won't validate the location of "C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot", which is where I have coldfusion installed and where the WEB-INF/flex folder resides. However, it tells me it's an invalid server root and won't let me procede. 
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Re: [flexcoders] Ok, im lost with Flex 2

[Clint Modien]

it's alpha... it's not done yet...
 
there's also a part about the changes between Flex1.5 and Flex 2.0 and AS2 and AS3... 
 
See Migrating Applications to Flex 2 in here:
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/labs/1/flex/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm 
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It seems like they went out of there way to remove features in codingand make things far far more difficult or am I missing something?
I have my AS code in different files, and right now have nothing butfunction stubs, and am getting no end of errors :/I create a variablevar investigatorSelectionGrid_dp:Array = new Array(1);
first thing it does is on the mxml side where I have it assigned to adataProvider parameter it says something about possibly not beingable to see changes or something.  So I add [Bindable] over it.  Thenit says I can't use [Bindable] on a non-public variable, so I add
public before it.  It still says its a "non-public" variable.*scream*It was so simple before and seems to be like pulling teeth now, imgoing nuts.  I can't belief they would louse up Flex as bad as it
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Re: [flexcoders] Ok, im lost with Flex 2

[Spike]

Hi Greg,

If you can post the code that's not working, or a link to a zip of it, that would probably help.

SpikeOn 10/18/05, Greg Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It seems like they went out of there way to remove features in codingand make things far far more difficult or am I missing something?I have my AS code in different files, and right now have nothing butfunction stubs, and am getting no end of errors :/
I create a variablevar investigatorSelectionGrid_dp:Array = new Array(1);first thing it does is on the mxml side where I have it assigned to adataProvider parameter it says something about possibly not being
able to see changes or something.  So I add [Bindable] over it.  Thenit says I can't use [Bindable] on a non-public variable, so I addpublic before it.  It still says its a "non-public" variable.
*scream*It was so simple before and seems to be like pulling teeth now, imgoing nuts.  I can't belief they would louse up Flex as bad as itseems they have, so I am hoping I am missing something that knowing
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[flexcoders] Ok, im lost with Flex 2

[Greg Johnson]

It seems like they went out of there way to remove features in coding 
and make things far far more difficult or am I missing something?

I have my AS code in different files, and right now have nothing but 
function stubs, and am getting no end of errors :/

I create a variable
var investigatorSelectionGrid_dp:Array = new Array(1);

first thing it does is on the mxml side where I have it assigned to a 
dataProvider parameter it says something about possibly not being 
able to see changes or something.  So I add [Bindable] over it.  Then 
it says I can't use [Bindable] on a non-public variable, so I add 
public before it.  It still says its a "non-public" variable.  
*scream*

It was so simple before and seems to be like pulling teeth now, im 
going nuts.  I can't belief they would louse up Flex as bad as it 
seems they have, so I am hoping I am missing something that knowing 
makes it all atleast mostly as easy as before. 

Anyone?!?!
Tnks
Greg





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RE: [flexcoders] Ok, I am over defending the price hike now...her es why.

[Lucian Beebe]

A lot of stuff here, so let me hit the highlights. 

Scott, and dozens more of you, we love the fact that you love Flex. We have
tens of thousands of hours of development time into this product and it's a
wonderful validation of our work that you love it. And don't think we take
that lightly. Working directly with all of you is the only way we got Flex
to the loving shape its in. We will continue to work with you. Continue to
listen to every word you write. We may not respond to every message (we
don't) and we may not react as fast as you would like, but you will see us
react. 

Enough preamble, though it is all true. 

I read a couple of things here. On the OEM discussion. Our OEM licensing is
very open and flexible. We really do recognize that companies are in all
different sizes and places in their development. We want to get paid for the
value OEMs will get from using our software, but sometimes we can't get paid
until you do. This is exactly why I keep saying where you have a compelling
model and there's something in it for everyone, let's talk. You'd be
surprised to see the breadth of deals we do in that fashion, some would even
work for your brilliant idea that didn't fly.

To the broad discussion of transparency. We hear you. And others out there
asking for the same thing. There are a few reasons to be concerned about
giving away lots of details: US public company regulations, competition,
rampant expectations, etc. But all of those are workable, of course. Over
the coming months, I hope we can respond to your needs here with lots more
openness. Over the past 6 months, you've seen more from Macromedia than in
the past. You saw live demos of the Flash Player 8 a long time before its to
be shipped which included feature descriptions, etc. While we'll never show
everything, of course, we have more work to do and have lagged with Flex on
this, admittedly, but we hope to make up for that over the next six months.
Valid criticism.  I appreciate that your mail gives us some broad directions
to make sure we have covered. We'll be asking a LOT of people in the next
few months what you need to know. 

I hope this helps you feel better about the immediate. For the long term,
the only way to make you more comfortable is if our actions meet my words
and your requests.  

Lucian 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:50 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Ok, I am over defending the price hike now...heres
why.


Ok, I've always wondered about a few issue and i'm in a broody mood so
i'll air it here: (heh)

I'm a developer who would like to make productX, lets just say my
productX is a great idea  for me to believe in. Now if i am stupid
enough right now to attack my dream with Flex as a front-end tier and
lets assume it all comes together and works a treat.

I then go to market with my idea, i look around and eventually I find
5 customers willing to buy that said product.

What are my options in terms of approaching Macromedia? Do i go down
the OEM route? last i heard it was like 12% of the total price tag (i
sell at) and you had to commit to x-number of UNITS in purchase.

That for me is THE number one question I get asked when people probe
me for insight into why flex is great and is always followed up with a
"yeah but how can i sell it to my clients".

(I've been freely giving away advice / consultancy on FLEX and its
power because i want more people using it to justify my personal
investment in learning the product. Brisbane apparently has a few
factions using it and i want more!)

Now this could range from medoke web-site apps, CMS systems or into
one big eBusiness  off the shelf self deploy intranet system for a
company to buy and then EXTEND outward. I know my company did just
that, bought an intranet system and now they are extending outward to
suite.

Where is the innovation incubator - *I* know if i come up with a good
idea, proove its working,  i can then approach my local MM Sales team
with it and they will give me an open honest answer - but thats me, i
know that and the reason i know that as i've built up a relationship
with them over the years. What i'm stating is wheres that
encouragement in full public view, case studies and what not. Its like
its one big secret and i have to ask why? its extremly harder for
people like me to walk in and pitch it to people with buying power.

MXDU 2005 by all reports had people shocked and excited that one
vendor from Straker was able to get an apparent sweet deal on
CFMX+FLEX in OEM? I heard more people talking about that then the
freakin conference - which showed one thing, MM you have peoples
attention with flex.

I am not trying to be a pain in the butt and critical of the evil
empire that which is Macromedia, just really curious as to why FLEX
needs to be thise con

[flexcoders] Ok, I am over defending the price hike now...heres why.

[Scott Barnes]

Ok, I've always wondered about a few issue and i'm in a broody mood so
i'll air it here: (heh)

I'm a developer who would like to make productX, lets just say my
productX is a great idea  for me to believe in. Now if i am stupid
enough right now to attack my dream with Flex as a front-end tier and
lets assume it all comes together and works a treat.

I then go to market with my idea, i look around and eventually I find
5 customers willing to buy that said product.

What are my options in terms of approaching Macromedia? Do i go down
the OEM route? last i heard it was like 12% of the total price tag (i
sell at) and you had to commit to x-number of UNITS in purchase.

That for me is THE number one question I get asked when people probe
me for insight into why flex is great and is always followed up with a
"yeah but how can i sell it to my clients".

(I've been freely giving away advice / consultancy on FLEX and its
power because i want more people using it to justify my personal
investment in learning the product. Brisbane apparently has a few
factions using it and i want more!)

Now this could range from medoke web-site apps, CMS systems or into
one big eBusiness  off the shelf self deploy intranet system for a
company to buy and then EXTEND outward. I know my company did just
that, bought an intranet system and now they are extending outward to
suite.

Where is the innovation incubator - *I* know if i come up with a good
idea, proove its working,  i can then approach my local MM Sales team
with it and they will give me an open honest answer - but thats me, i
know that and the reason i know that as i've built up a relationship
with them over the years. What i'm stating is wheres that
encouragement in full public view, case studies and what not. Its like
its one big secret and i have to ask why? its extremly harder for
people like me to walk in and pitch it to people with buying power.

MXDU 2005 by all reports had people shocked and excited that one
vendor from Straker was able to get an apparent sweet deal on
CFMX+FLEX in OEM? I heard more people talking about that then the
freakin conference - which showed one thing, MM you have peoples
attention with flex.

I am not trying to be a pain in the butt and critical of the evil
empire that which is Macromedia, just really curious as to why FLEX
needs to be thise constant closed book and isn't as transparent as
everyone seems to think.

Where is its roadmap for the future? what can i expect post 1.5, where
is your "In Development" - same concept that's worked for games, as
silly as that may sound but its nice to see a vision for a change in
applications instead of this closed off super secret beta (which is
usually invite only and by the time you throw the public a bone and
open it up to more beta tests usually its a little too late at this
stage for feature enhancments) and then once THAT's finished you get
bombarded with PR campaigns on how great it all is..then when you've
sobered up you start to see whats really behind the looking glass.

Admittedly, I've been given scraps of information that are held under
NDA in terms of future of FLEX, and i will respect Macromedias wishes
in not making them public, but i cannot even tell my fellow co-workers
the information I know, and yet they need to be onboard with it and
it's getting extremly frustrating to remain loyal to the product - and
believe me, i do really enjoy working on this product.

I can understand secrecy to a point but there is a gold mine of
questions that go un-answered unless you probe the right people and it
would be less of a hassle for people like me, who understand flex's
real value to approach folk who are ripe and ready for the product (in
that i don't make a comission on every product I sell, it makes my
career easier to come to work each day and not face UI constraints but
rather server-side issues which is where i am at my best).

Price increase is just another hurdle i personally have to overcome
*again* and its why i keep pushing the angle "bah if you're at a level
at 15k anything more isn't a big deal as clearly your rich enough at
this point and more concerned on how it will work for your future".

That positive spin is starting to waiver now especially when i get hit
with rebuttle after rebuttle and knowing what i do infact know and can
see, i'm bound by keeping my mouth shut and just letting the masses
echo at times the same mindless dribble.

I get hit with all sorts of comparisons "What about AJAX...What about
XAMLON... What About Apache Cocoon... What About Laszlo...What About
.NET NO TOUCH DEPLOYMENT..etc" - and I can really see how easily these
products look in terms of what they have on offer... they may never
catchup or they may over take, but when you have these comparisons now
with lots of promises attached to them and yet Macromedia remains
tight lipped about FLEX? well...you can't but help at times to buy
into it.

Q. what are your plans in terms of FlashCom/Breeze and F