RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations)
Okay, So with that said, why are the Form and FormItem tags mentioned so often in every example I see? Or is this just another tool that the developer can select from, in order to make the workflow easier? But at the same time, it's not absolutely necessary that the developer go that exact route, whenever creating Forms in which it's imperative that the controls all line up perfectly... I would be grateful for as many people as possible to comment on this topic, as I would feel much better as I forge ahead with my application, knowing that I am doing my coding in an acceptable manner. Thanks again everybody, Mike From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dimitrios GianninasSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:23 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) That is correct, you do not need to have your components contained within a FORM. Validation will work regardless if component in contained with a FORM or not, same goes for sending the data to a service. Dimitrios "Jimmy" Gianninas RIADeveloper Optimal Payments Inc. From: Abdul Qabiz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) Hi Mike,I am not sure, but using Form tag is not necessary. I think, it is morefor form-like-lay outing purpose. Validation should also work oncontrols outside of form.May be someone else confirm it...-abdul -Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Mike AndersonSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:24 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations)Hello All,MUST I use the Form tags, if I have Text Fields (or any controlsreally...) that will eventually be submitted to a WebService orRemoteObject later on?I guess what I am asking is: Is the developer forced to use Forms,whenever collecting data for the purpose of sending and/or receiving(with potential validation before submission)? Is using the Form tags,just easier in the long haul, when it comes to validation, etc?The reason I ask, is that I find the Form tags (which itself IS acontainer object) VERY prohibitive when it comes to laying out mycontrols. ALL the examples I've seen thus far, are single column innature - the top-down approach to laying out the controls. Well, thatdoes not work for me - I need to also put fields across too (sometimes2, 3 or more columns) - and the default Form container really isn'tsetup for that type of thing.I've tried creating a Form container, and then inside THAT putting aHBox container, which of course allows me to put controls across, buthow do I handle subsequent Rows below the previous, when the need arisesfor me having to properly line up controls from top to bottom?In this particular case, I think it would be easier for me, to useAbsolute Positioning - using the Canvas container.If I use this type of method for laying out my forms, am I screwingmyself later on, by not using the Form and FormItem tags whensending data to the server? Or just as important, performing FormValidation before sending the data to the server?Or, maybe I am missing something, and there IS a way to properly line upmy Controls from Top to Bottom AND from Left to Right, with havingmultiple Fields going across the Form horizontally as well...Could you all shed some light on this topic?Thanks in advance for your help,MikeYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations)
Hi Mike, I use the FORM and FORMITEM tags whenever I want to use the automatic layout they provide. I'd say I use them about 75% of the time. The rest of the time, I just place a component(s) within the container that is appropriate. I guess the moral of the story is, doesn't matter what containers your components are laid out in, you can always apply the validators and then take the data and do as you please. Its not like HTML, where you have to use the FORM tag. HTML, remember that? Enjoy! Dimitrios "Jimmy" Gianninas RIADeveloper Optimal Payments Inc. From: Mike Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:51 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) Okay, So with that said, why are the Form and FormItem tags mentioned so often in every example I see? Or is this just another tool that the developer can select from, in order to make the workflow easier? But at the same time, it's not absolutely necessary that the developer go that exact route, whenever creating Forms in which it's imperative that the controls all line up perfectly... I would be grateful for as many people as possible to comment on this topic, as I would feel much better as I forge ahead with my application, knowing that I am doing my coding in an acceptable manner. Thanks again everybody, Mike From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dimitrios GianninasSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:23 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) That is correct, you do not need to have your components contained within a FORM. Validation will work regardless if component in contained with a FORM or not, same goes for sending the data to a service. Dimitrios "Jimmy" Gianninas RIADeveloper Optimal Payments Inc. From: Abdul Qabiz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) Hi Mike,I am not sure, but using Form tag is not necessary. I think, it is morefor form-like-lay outing purpose. Validation should also work oncontrols outside of form.May be someone else confirm it...-abdul -Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Mike AndersonSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:24 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations)Hello All,MUST I use the Form tags, if I have Text Fields (or any controlsreally...) that will eventually be submitted to a WebService orRemoteObject later on?I guess what I am asking is: Is the developer forced to use Forms,whenever collecting data for the purpose of sending and/or receiving(with potential validation before submission)? Is using the Form tags,just easier in the long haul, when it comes to validation, etc?The reason I ask, is that I find the Form tags (which itself IS acontainer object) VERY prohibitive when it comes to laying out mycontrols. ALL the examples I've seen thus far, are single column innature - the top-down approach to laying out the controls. Well, thatdoes not work for me - I need to also put fields across too (sometimes2, 3 or more columns) - and the default Form container really isn'tsetup for that type of thing.I've tried creating a Form container, and then inside THAT putting aHBox container, which of course allows me to put controls across, buthow do I handle subsequent Rows below the previous, when the need arisesfor me having to properly line up controls from top to bottom?In this particular case, I think it would be easier for me, to useAbsolute Positioning - using the Canvas container.If I use this type of method for laying out my forms, am I screwingmyself later on, by not using the Form and FormItem tags whensending data to the server? Or just as important, performing FormValidation before sending the data to the server?Or, maybe I am missing something, and there IS a way to properly line upmy Controls from Top to Bottom AND from Left to Right, with havingmultiple Fields going across the Form horizontally as well...Could you all shed some light on this topic?Thanks in advance for your help,MikeYahoo! Groups Links AVIS IMPORTANTWARNING Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you
RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations)
YES! (regarding the HTML Tag comment you made)... I guess, when writing my code, MXML is SO similar to HTML, that it's striking a lot of nerves while I write... and that inherently makes me wonder if I am truly writing my code properly. Old habits die hard they say - and I just have to clear my head of all that HTML crap that I've learned over the years, and truly realize that MXML is a TOTALLY new language - it's just similar in structure... Well, I feel better now - because my app is almost 100% Forms - and validation... So of course, seeing every example thus far, using the Form tags, I really had to confirm that whole thing before proceeding any further. Thanks SO much for your input regarding this. Mike :) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dimitrios GianninasSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:13 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) Hi Mike, I use the FORM and FORMITEM tags whenever I want to use the automatic layout they provide. I'd say I use them about 75% of the time. The rest of the time, I just place a component(s) within the container that is appropriate. I guess the moral of the story is, doesn't matter what containers your components are laid out in, you can always apply the validators and then take the data and do as you please. Its not like HTML, where you have to use the FORM tag. HTML, remember that? Enjoy! Dimitrios "Jimmy" Gianninas RIADeveloper Optimal Payments Inc. From: Mike Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:51 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) Okay, So with that said, why are the Form and FormItem tags mentioned so often in every example I see? Or is this just another tool that the developer can select from, in order to make the workflow easier? But at the same time, it's not absolutely necessary that the developer go that exact route, whenever creating Forms in which it's imperative that the controls all line up perfectly... I would be grateful for as many people as possible to comment on this topic, as I would feel much better as I forge ahead with my application, knowing that I am doing my coding in an acceptable manner. Thanks again everybody, Mike From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dimitrios GianninasSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:23 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) That is correct, you do not need to have your components contained within a FORM. Validation will work regardless if component in contained with a FORM or not, same goes for sending the data to a service. Dimitrios "Jimmy" Gianninas RIADeveloper Optimal Payments Inc. From: Abdul Qabiz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations) Hi Mike,I am not sure, but using Form tag is not necessary. I think, it is morefor form-like-lay outing purpose. Validation should also work oncontrols outside of form.May be someone else confirm it...-abdul -Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Mike AndersonSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:24 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Form Questions (and frustrations)Hello All,MUST I use the Form tags, if I have Text Fields (or any controlsreally...) that will eventually be submitted to a WebService orRemoteObject later on?I guess what I am asking is: Is the developer forced to use Forms,whenever collecting data for the purpose of sending and/or receiving(with potential validation before submission)? Is using the Form tags,just easier in the long haul, when it comes to validation, etc?The reason I ask, is that I find the Form tags (which itself IS acontainer object) VERY prohibitive when it comes to laying out mycontrols. ALL the examples I've seen thus far, are single column innature - the top-down approach to laying out the controls. Well, thatdoes not work for me - I need to also put fields across too (sometimes2, 3 or more columns) - and the default Form container really isn'tsetup for that type of thing.I've tried creating a Form container, and then inside THAT putting aHBox container, which of course allows me to put controls across, buthow do I handle subsequent Rows below the previous, when the need arisesfor me having to properly line up controls from top to bottom?In this particular case, I think it would be easier for me, to useAbsolute Positioning - using the Canvas container.If I use this type of method for laying out my forms, am I screwingmyself later on, by not using the Form and FormItem tags whensending data to the server? Or just as important, performing FormValidation before sending the data to the server?Or
