Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-22 Thread Tom Chiverton 
On Thursday 18 January 2007 19:29, Matt Chotin wrote:
> There is no technical requirement for FDS, we primarily thought we
> weren't going to charge FDS customers *more* to add testing support for
> now.

Ah, right, cheers for looking into this.
I can understand people who've plumbed for FDS not having to pay more, but 
that's different to people who don't have FDS wanting to use QTP :-)

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-18 Thread Lance Linder 
Thanks for looking out for us Matt!

 

Even though I would love to license FDS it's just that we don't have an
immediate need for FDS and it is a lot of extra $$ to spend just to get
the QTP plug-in J

 

Hope to see some more licensing options in the future!

 

Thanks,

Lance

 

 

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Chotin
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:30 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

 

There is no technical requirement for FDS, we primarily thought we
weren't going to charge FDS customers *more* to add testing support for
now.  I admit it's possible we misjudged the size of the potential
audience and we are investigating future alternatives.

 

Matt

 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom Chiverton
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:26 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

 

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 19:20, Tariq Ahmed wrote:
> I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but
> architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra
benefits,

You'd have thought so.

> those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex
> management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies
are
> mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new

That was certainly the way Flex was sold initaly remember. I think
things have 
changed, and Adobe probably have a fairly sound reason for requiring FDS

(async command push to the and pull from player maybe).

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RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-18 Thread Matt Chotin 
There is no technical requirement for FDS, we primarily thought we
weren't going to charge FDS customers *more* to add testing support for
now.  I admit it's possible we misjudged the size of the potential
audience and we are investigating future alternatives.

 

Matt

 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom Chiverton
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:26 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

 

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 19:20, Tariq Ahmed wrote:
> I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but
> architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra
benefits,

You'd have thought so.

> those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex
> management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies
are
> mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new

That was certainly the way Flex was sold initaly remember. I think
things have 
changed, and Adobe probably have a fairly sound reason for requiring FDS

(async command push to the and pull from player maybe).

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-18 Thread Tom Chiverton 
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 19:20, Tariq Ahmed wrote:
>  I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but
> architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits,

You'd have thought so.

> those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex
> management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are
> mega enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new

That was certainly the way Flex was sold initaly remember. I think things have 
changed, and Adobe probably have a fairly sound reason for requiring FDS 
(async command push to the and pull from player maybe).

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Helping to administratively benchmark best-of-breed e-tailers



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RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-18 Thread João Fernandes 
Noup, You’ll need a FDS serial number (Dep or Ent).

 

There is also the other side which Matt didn’t mention, those who afforded a
FDS license but don’t have a QTP one.

I could convince (not easy) my company to acquire the FDS upgrade but asking
now a QTP license…

 

João Fernandes

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Tretola
Sent: 18 January 2007 09:46
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

 

Will it not run against FDS lite single cpu (Free)?

Rich

On 1/18/07, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi all,

 

Given QTP's cost without any Adobe involvement it struck us that most
customers who wanted to use the QTP plugin would probably be enterprises who
would also be interested in FDS.  We've been pleasantly surprised to see the
interest from folks who seem to be able to afford QTP but can't afford an
FDS license J   We are beginning to investigate what options we might be
able to come up with, but the FDS license requirement will continue in the
near-term.  If you need a trial license you can contact me off-list, but you
must be willing to accept future sales contact J 

 

Matt

 

  _  

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@ <mailto:flexcoders@>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tariq Ahmed
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

 

Man, I've been so busy with work I'm struggling to stay connected with the
rest of the world, but my eye caught this subject as it's been something
we've been holding off on QA Automation for 1.5yrs now in lieu of this
ability...

I have to second Lance's dismay. QTP costs an arm and a leg. There's no way
I'm going to be able to convince the customer to dump $10K on QTP (when
there are better QA automation tools out there such as Seapine's QA Wizard),
and then even more dough on FDS?
  
I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but
architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits,
not a requirement. I just want to be able to simulate a user going through
various use test cases, and being able to report on if the interface
functioned as expected. The Flex client communicates with whatever it
communicates with on the backend like normal, and QTP is just a desktop
tool... so I'm not even sure where FDS even comes into play.

Maybe I'm overreacting and perhaps don't have the full details, but for
those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex
management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega
enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new
feature/function/ability you still have to assume you need to throw huge
amts of money at it, and low cost/feasible solutions seem to be more of a
"surprise" bonus still.

I'm sure Adobe is like...there he goes again, Tariq and his typical
shenanigans is causing grief! :) But I got to stick up for the little guy
too!


Lance Linder wrote: 

You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough and
now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of
FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin
without FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder.

 

I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I
probably never will.

 

Lance

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com <http://ups.com>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João Fernandes
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

 

The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental
or enterprise version.

 

João Fernandes

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




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Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-18 Thread Rich Tretola 

Will it not run against FDS lite single cpu (Free)?

Rich

On 1/18/07, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


   Hi all,



Given QTP's cost without any Adobe involvement it struck us that most
customers who wanted to use the QTP plugin would probably be enterprises who
would also be interested in FDS.  We've been pleasantly surprised to see the
interest from folks who seem to be able to afford QTP but can't afford an
FDS license J  We are beginning to investigate what options we might be
able to come up with, but the FDS license requirement will continue in the
near-term.  If you need a trial license you can contact me off-list, but you
must be willing to accept future sales contact J



Matt


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*From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
Behalf Of *Tariq Ahmed
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM
*To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy



Man, I've been so busy with work I'm struggling to stay connected with the
rest of the world, but my eye caught this subject as it's been something
we've been holding off on QA Automation for 1.5yrs now in lieu of this
ability...

I have to second Lance's dismay. QTP costs an arm and a leg. There's no
way I'm going to be able to convince the customer to dump $10K on QTP (when
there are better QA automation tools out there such as Seapine's QA Wizard),
and then even more dough on FDS?

I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but
architecturally it should have been an option that provides extra benefits,
not a requirement. I just want to be able to simulate a user going through
various use test cases, and being able to report on if the interface
functioned as expected. The Flex client communicates with whatever it
communicates with on the backend like normal, and QTP is just a desktop
tool... so I'm not even sure where FDS even comes into play.

Maybe I'm overreacting and perhaps don't have the full details, but for
those who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex
management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega
enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new
feature/function/ability you still have to assume you need to throw huge
amts of money at it, and low cost/feasible solutions seem to be more of a
"surprise" bonus still.

I'm sure Adobe is like...there he goes again, Tariq and his typical
shenanigans is causing grief! :) But I got to stick up for the little guy
too!


Lance Linder wrote:

 You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough
and now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest
of FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin
without FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder.



I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I
probably never will.



Lance



*From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ 
yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *João Fernandes
*Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM
*To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?



The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be
departmental or enterprise version.



João Fernandes



*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 





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RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

2007-01-17 Thread Matt Chotin 
Hi all,

 

Given QTP's cost without any Adobe involvement it struck us that most customers 
who wanted to use the QTP plugin would probably be enterprises who would also 
be interested in FDS.  We've been pleasantly surprised to see the interest from 
folks who seem to be able to afford QTP but can't afford an FDS license :-)  We 
are beginning to investigate what options we might be able to come up with, but 
the FDS license requirement will continue in the near-term.  If you need a 
trial license you can contact me off-list, but you must be willing to accept 
future sales contact :-)

 

Matt

 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tariq 
Ahmed
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in requires FDS?! That's crazy

 

Man, I've been so busy with work I'm struggling to stay connected with the rest 
of the world, but my eye caught this subject as it's been something we've been 
holding off on QA Automation for 1.5yrs now in lieu of this ability...

I have to second Lance's dismay. QTP costs an arm and a leg. There's no way I'm 
going to be able to convince the customer to dump $10K on QTP (when there are 
better QA automation tools out there such as Seapine's QA Wizard), and then 
even more dough on FDS?
  
I know FDS being required wasn't done for the hell of it, but architecturally 
it should have been an option that provides extra benefits, not a requirement. 
I just want to be able to simulate a user going through various use test cases, 
and being able to report on if the interface functioned as expected. The Flex 
client communicates with whatever it communicates with on the backend like 
normal, and QTP is just a desktop tool... so I'm not even sure where FDS even 
comes into play.

Maybe I'm overreacting and perhaps don't have the full details, but for those 
who know me, I'm Flex's biggest fan. It feels like the Flex 
management/marketing team's nature is to assume that most companies are mega 
enterprises with monster budgets. In the land of Flex, any new 
feature/function/ability you still have to assume you need to throw huge amts 
of money at it, and low cost/feasible solutions seem to be more of a "surprise" 
bonus still.

I'm sure Adobe is like...there he goes again, Tariq and his typical shenanigans 
is causing grief! :) But I got to stick up for the little guy too!


Lance Linder wrote: 

You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough 
and now we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of 
FDS. :'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin without 
FDS kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder.

 

I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then 
I probably never will.

 

Lance

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
João Fernandes
        Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

 

The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be 
departmental or enterprise version.

 

João Fernandes

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

2007-01-15 Thread Lance Linder 
You've got to be kidding. As if Quick Test Pro is not expensive enough and now 
we need to add a FDS serial on top even if we are not using the rest of FDS. 
:'( I really wish there was a way to just license the qtp plugin without FDS 
kind of like the Charting components without Flex Builder.

 

I was really hoping at evaluating this as soon but if this is true then I 
probably never will.

 

Lance

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João 
Fernandes
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:12 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

 

The docs say that you'll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental or 
enterprise version.

 

João Fernandes

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chuvakgu
Sent: 15 January 2007 19:39
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

 

> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fus&product=flex
> 
> download the Flex Automation Package (bottom of the page).

Is FDS necessary for this (and Express won't do)?

RE: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

2007-01-15 Thread João Fernandes 
The docs say that you’ll need a valid FDS serial number, can be departmental
or enterprise version.

 

João Fernandes

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of chuvakgu
Sent: 15 January 2007 19:39
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: QTP plug in?

 

> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fus

&product=flex
> 
> download the Flex Automation Package (bottom of the page).

Is FDS necessary for this (and Express won't do)?