Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
Hi, Slightly off-topic, but here goes: On the topic of certification, how about creating a community driven Flex certification? We have a project - www.opencerti.com - where we have started out with PHP certification. I was talking to my team and they were excited to contribute to a Flash/Flex/RIA certification. And I said let me see how the PHP certification works out and then we can do Flex as well. OpenCerti is not run by any organization. It's a community project. If there are people on the list who want to take leadership on the Flex certification, please contact me off list and we could take it up. There are a few issues that we are discussing about a community certification on the opencerti yahoo group - credibility, sustainability etc. And you are most welcome there as well. :Nirav -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone claiming to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this…..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare™ NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan MeutznerSent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second this Flex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we stilldon't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of Certified FlexInstructor/Trainer or something to that effect... What is it, and howdo I get it?Thanks,Brendan--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tolulope Olonade [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone claiming to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan Meutzner Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second this Flex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we still don't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of Certified Flex Instructor/Trainer or something to that effect... What is it, and how do I get it? Thanks, Brendan --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tolulope Olonade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this g
RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope OlonadeSent: 28 February 2006 11:07To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint ModienSent: 28 February 2006 09:25To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do.I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone "claiming" to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification.I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web "In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces." HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan MeutznerSent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second thisFlex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we stilldon't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of "Certified FlexInstructor/Trainer" or something to that effect... What is it, and howdo I get it?Thanks,Brendan--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Tolulope Olonade" [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
Thats more than likely true here.a degree goes a lot longer. But hey, if you have the degree and the time, why not? J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:17 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 11:07 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone claiming to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification
RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: 28 February 2006 12:17 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 11:07 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone claiming to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan Meutzner Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second this Flex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we still don't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of Certified Flex Instructor/Trainer or something to that effect... What is it, and how do I get it? Thanks, Brendan --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tolulope Olonade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software
RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
Brendan, yeah, I guess with the infancy of flex, anything that gives you an edge over other job candidates is a good thing (and likeCarson/Jonathan have stated, its impossible to have a great deal of experience at this stage). However, Id also say that anyone using flex heavily right now has to have some tenacity and a fair bit of vision (given its early stage of the product lifecycle), and they are qualitiesthat would make me hire someone over any certification. Cheers, Nick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brendan MeutznerSent: 28 February 2006 15:01To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Nick,You've got a point... I agree with you in that solid experience doesmean more than any specific degree/certification... but...Given the relative infancy of the Flex, and the fact that it has beenlicenced to target the larger scale companies/projects, I would thinkit's generally difficult to actually get "hands on" experience workingon a Flex project. I realize that anyone could learn Flex if theywanted to, but I for one thank my lucky stars that I was able toactually stumble my way onto a Flex project back in 2004. It's onething to say "yeah, I know flex, look at these cool apps I've done upin my spare time" compared to "yeah, i worked on project X for Xmonths, and my employer was extremely pleased with my work" (or maybenot, but he/she was a jerk anyway). Most people don't know what Flexis (especially recruiters), and the simple fact that i've worked on"a" project is qualification enough for them. Getting to my point... I think that certification would give Joe B.who hasn't worked on a "project" the ability to learn his stuff andtake the cert exam. I'd think that having that certification at thispoint for Flex, would be enough qualification for Joe to get thatfirst "real" Flex job.Thoughts?Brendan--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Weekes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers withthis kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entrylevel, rather than the 'niche carving' level. I think the fact that someone can put on their resume that they havesolid experience of a (relatively new) tech such as Flex is way moreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 11:07 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/ArchitectYou are probably right. I jus suggest they don't stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.gNexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now :-) Regards _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degreethat the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone "claiming" to be amechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs forother Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one forFlex in the not too distant future.On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, andcontribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand.- Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/ArchitectWould also like to know this...if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it :-) _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web "In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent seeyour pieces." HealthGrades http://www.healthgrades.com/ : Guiding America to Better HealthcareT NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message
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Im sure the Ajax 'evangelists' would wish the same thing, as would the MS next gen people. Whatever is fit for purpose gets used, and the market pretty much decides what becomes the standard, not the well wishers ;-) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope OlonadeSent: 28 February 2006 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick WeekesSent: 28 February 2006 12:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope OlonadeSent: 28 February 2006 11:07To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint ModienSent: 28 February 2006 09:25To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do.I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone "claiming" to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification.I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web "In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces." HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan MeutznerSent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second thisFlex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we stilldon't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of "Certified FlexInstructor/Trainer" or something to that effect... What is it, and howdo I get it?Thanks,Brendan--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Tolulope Olonade"
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Awww, so Im wearing this Flex Monkey t-shirt for nothing? J jk _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:30 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Im sure the Ajax 'evangelists' would wish the same thing, as would the MS next gen people. Whatever is fit for purpose gets used, and the market pretty much decides what becomes the standard, not the well wishers ;-) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 15:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: 28 February 2006 12:17 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 11:07 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone claiming to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better
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Umn thats a nice way of allowing the discussion enter the Which technology/platform is better argument. I can tell u I have seen many. And so far in terms of aesthetics and unconventional/unbounded creativity, flex is the strongest player I have seen so far. Though I dont do much in it but I can smell the prospects J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: 28 February 2006 04:30 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Im sure the Ajax 'evangelists' would wish the same thing, as would the MS next gen people. Whatever is fit for purpose gets used, and the market pretty much decides what becomes the standard, not the well wishers ;-) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 15:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: 28 February 2006 12:17 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade Sent: 28 February 2006 11:07 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone claiming to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification. I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From
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not at all. my point is that a good dev should be aware of all technologies, and not the one he is most comfortable with. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope OlonadeSent: 28 February 2006 15:48To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Umn thats a nice way of allowing the discussion enter the Which technology/platform is better argument. I can tell u I have seen many. And so far in terms of aesthetics and unconventional/unbounded creativity, flex is the strongest player I have seen so far. Though I dont do much in it but I can smell the prospects J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick WeekesSent: 28 February 2006 04:30To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Im sure the Ajax 'evangelists' would wish the same thing, as would the MS next gen people. Whatever is fit for purpose gets used, and the market pretty much decides what becomes the standard, not the well wishers ;-) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope OlonadeSent: 28 February 2006 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick WeekesSent: 28 February 2006 12:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. Ithinkthefactthatsomeonecanputontheirresumethattheyhavesolidexperienceofa(relativelynew)techsuch as Flex iswaymoreimportant. But maybe its totally different in other countries. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tolulope OlonadeSent: 28 February 2006 11:07To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect You are probably right. I jus suggest they dont stay too late on coming out with it. It could really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax etc. Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for himself. Adobe do really have an edge for now J Regards From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint ModienSent: 28 February 2006 09:25To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that the person is capable of doing what they say they can do.I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone "claiming" to be a mechanic but lacked formal certification.I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the not too distant future. On 2/27/06, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web "In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces." HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, d
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I am sure that there are many viewpoints on this subject, and I won't presume to have the right one. However, I have been in the business for over 20 years, so I can at least claim to have seen a lot, even if I'm wrong in my conclusions :) I have a couple of things to share -- both my own orientation as someone who wants to hire good people (plugwe have openings/plug), and my impression of general hiring practice in the US software engineering business. As far as my own hiring goes, knowledge of a specific technology ranks somewhere near the bottom of my list. That doesn't make it unimportant -- learning new stuff takes valuable time -- but the ability to learn is more significant to me, and the ability to think about problems abstractly (not only in terms of technology XYZ's approach) is more significant to me. So is the ability to have fun, and the ability to communicate :). I build products, so I am generally not looking for a contractor to come in and fix a problem, but for a long-term hire. Technology changes very rapidly, and passing a certification exam today doesn't mean a candidate can adapt to shifting circumstances. Out there in the bigger world, what I see is that certification counts the most in: - jobs with high turnover (e.g. system administration) - jobs with inherently short duration (consulting) - jobs where management is not well-informed enough to make a good decision (non-engineering companies) - jobs at a very junior level (one can count on getting something out of an unknown new hire until the next technology shift). For a senior long-term hire, it doesn't really count for much relative to job experience. Theoretically certification could be important in arcane specialties, say, natural language recognition, but academia tends to take its place there; certification programs instead aim at shorter-haul achievements like learning Flex or J2EE. ... . .. .j Nick Weekes wrote: not at all. my point is that a good dev should be aware of all technologies, and not the one he is most comfortable with. *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tolulope Olonade *Sent:* 28 February 2006 15:48 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Umn that’s a nice way of allowing the discussion enter the “Which technology/platform is better” argument. I can tell u I have seen many. And so far in terms of aesthetics and unconventional/unbounded creativity, flex is the strongest player I have seen so far. Though I don’t do much in it but I can smell the prospects J *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nick Weekes *Sent:* 28 February 2006 04:30 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Im sure the Ajax 'evangelists' would wish the same thing, as would the MS next gen people. Whatever is fit for purpose gets used, and the market pretty much decides what becomes the standard, not the well wishers ;-) *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tolulope Olonade *Sent:* 28 February 2006 15:21 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nick Weekes *Sent:* 28 February 2006 12:17 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. I think the fact that someone can put on their resume that they have solid experience of a (relatively new) tech such as Flex is way more important. But maybe its totally different in other countries. *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tolulope Olonade *Sent:* 28 February 2006 11:07 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer
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Joe, I'm not in a position to offer you a job but I would if I was looking for somebodyI would hire you as my boss if I could...Have a nice day!.ValyJoe Berkovitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure that there are many viewpoints on this subject, and I won't presume to have the "right" one. However, I have been in the business for over 20 years, so I can at least claim to have seen a lot, even if I'm wrong in my conclusions :)I have a couple of things to share -- both my own orientation as someone who wants to hire good people (we have openings), and my impression of general hiring practice in the US software engineering business.As far as my own hiring goes, knowledge of a specific technology ranks somewhere near the bottom of my list. That doesn't make it unimportant -- learning new stuff takes valuable time -- but the ability to learn is more significant to me, and the ability to think about problems abstractly (not only in terms of technology XYZ's approach) is more significant to me. So is the ability to have fun, and the ability to communicate :). I build products, so I am generally not looking for a contractor to come in and fix a problem, but for a long-term hire. Technology changes very rapidly, and passing a certification exam today doesn't mean a candidate can adapt to shifting circumstances.Out there in the bigger world, what I see is that certification counts the most in:- jobs with high turnover (e.g. system administration)- jobs with inherently short duration (consulting)- jobs where management is not well-informed enough to make a good decision (non-engineering companies)- jobs at a very junior level (one can count on getting something out of an unknown new hire until the next technology shift).For a senior long-term hire, it doesn't really count for much relative to job experience. Theoretically certification could be important in arcane specialties, say, natural language recognition, but academia tends to take its place there; certification programs instead aim at shorter-haul achievements like learning Flex or J2EE . .. .jNick Weekes wrote: not at all. my point is that a good dev should be aware of all technologies, and not the one he is most comfortable with. *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tolulope Olonade *Sent:* 28 February 2006 15:48 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Umn that�s a nice way of allowing the discussion enter the �Which technology/platform is better� argument. I can tell u I have seen many. And so far in terms of aesthetics and unconventional/unbounded creativity, flex is the strongest player I have seen so far. Though I don�t do much in it but I can smell the prospects J *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nick Weekes *Sent:* 28 February 2006 04:30 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Im sure the Ajax 'evangelists' would wish the same thing, as would the MS next gen people. Whatever is fit for purpose gets used, and the market pretty much decides what becomes the standard, not the well wishers ;-) *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tolulope Olonade *Sent:* 28 February 2006 15:21 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I am actually talking about Adobe making Flex the unofficial standard for rich internet application development in a very smart way. So we flex evangelists can even carry the gospel further to executive pple J *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nick Weekes *Sent:* 28 February 2006 12:17 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, rather than the 'niche carving' level. I think the fact that someone can put on their resume that they have solid experience of a (relatively new) tech such as Flex is way more important. But maybe its totally different in other countries. *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tolulope Olonade *Sent:* 28 February 2006 11:07 *To:*
RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect
Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan Meutzner Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second this Flex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we still don't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of Certified Flex Instructor/Trainer or something to that effect... What is it, and how do I get it? Thanks, Brendan --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tolulope Olonade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this ..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web "In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces." HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan MeutznerSent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second thisFlex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we stilldon't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of "Certified FlexInstructor/Trainer" or something to that effect... What is it, and howdo I get it?Thanks,Brendan--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Tolulope Olonade" [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Ironically, most flex developers I know outside this list are like flexcoders? Whats that? Ive found using this list gives me the ability to say thats possible a lot more.of course, most of the solutions are funky since were still in Beta J Work with what you got though. And hey, if someone out there is hiring then feel free to ask J (by the way, neat Airplane game Jester) _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:51 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a heartbeat. However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Miranda To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect Would also like to know this..if you got a company willing to pay for training, take them up on it J _ Jonathan Miranda Flexible Master of the Web In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your pieces. HealthGrades: Guiding America to Better Healthcare NASDAQ: HGRD w (720) 963-3832 c (707) 761-0868 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmissions cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan Meutzner Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect I second this Flex has been publicly released for almost 2 years now, but we still don't have a certification to strive for? Also, I've noticed individuals with the title of Certified Flex Instructor/Trainer or something to that effect... What is it, and how do I get it? Thanks, Brendan --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tolulope Olonade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still wondering why Adobe hasnt come out with a certification track named similar as above :-) Regards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL
