Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Douglas Knudsen wrote: great pointsreading up on hibernate now :) Yes, Hibernate and NHibernate (.NET one) are very nice frameworks, also Spring is nice. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
At home, I use Flex 2 on the front-end, AMFPHP for remoting, PHP for the middle-tier, and MySQL for my db. - Original Message - From: Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the community have. Using Flex 2what to use on the backend? With DAO Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java, ColdFusion, etc... What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your thoughts? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
my current experimentation with flex2 relies on openamf java postgreSQL. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. Im currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype Im using HSQLDB. Building: Maven 2 Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they do not work together yet) For the build part Im not satisfied yet. Maybe Ill write my own Maven 2 plugin for Flex 2 applications. Ill keep you posted on that. People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but Im having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the community have. Using Flex 2what to use on the backend? With DAO Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java, ColdFusion, etc... What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your thoughts? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Hi Franck, Looks like a good collection of tools to do the job. Maybe you can consider talking to a ECM system such as Alfresco? It offers webservices for content retrieval. ;-) Yours, Weyert de Boer -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear of any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for the info... People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This is talked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Dave might have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourced project, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plug in different middle-wares. DK On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB. Building: Maven 2 Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they do not work together yet) For the build part I'm not satisfied yet. Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2 plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you posted on that. People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the community have. Using Flex 2what to use on the backend? With DAO Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java, ColdFusion, etc... What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your thoughts? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Hi Douglas, Exactly the same reason why I chose for web services. Its standards based, so youre free to go on the back end. I dont know what you exactly meant with staying clear of frameworks, but I think using Hibernate is a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). Im personally not a fan of Spring, but its extremely hot in the Java community. Im afraid that if youre not using Spring, you will not be taken seriously. This brings me to another point. I personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich Internet Applications. A search on flex does not result in many hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly. I dont know your intentions behind your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more? To me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring. Does anyone have an explanation why Flex is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear of any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for the info... People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This is talked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Dave might have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourced project, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plug in different middle-wares. DK On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB. Building: Maven 2 Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they do not work together yet) For the build part I'm not satisfied yet. Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2 plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you posted on that. People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the community have. Using Flex 2what to use on the backend? With DAO Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java, ColdFusion, etc... What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your thoughts? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development
RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Hi Weyert, Im not into ECM personally. I mostly develop administrative systems like order management systems and the like. I had a look though at Alfresco and after 10 minutes I have a good impression. The webservices api was not entirely developed yet, but a quick glance at the Authentication WSDL showed my that is was pretty much similar to the api I developed myself. This makes me conclude that these web services should be perfectly accessible and usable by a FLEX app. So, go ahead, if you ask me J. One thing I noticed though is that the fault handling of web services within Flex 2 is not working as it should (see my post at the macromedia labs forum: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=584threadid=1097471#3924351). Maybe Im doing wrong, but I dont know what. Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weyert de Boer Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:04 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Hi Franck, Looks like a good collection of tools to do the job. Maybe you can consider talking to a ECM system such as Alfresco? It offers webservices for content retrieval. ;-) Yours, Weyert de Boer -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Yeah, no one has become an evenagelist there, and those that have vouch for Laszlo. It's extremely frustrating repeating myself to those people, but it has to be done. The problem is, my background is Flash, not Flex, so I'm not taken seriously by a lot of Java folks, nor am I involved in their community. Someone needs to take the ball. - Original Message - From: Franck de Bruijn To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Hi Douglas, Exactly the same reason why I chose for web services. Its standards based, so youre free to go on the back end. I dont know what you exactly meant with staying clear of frameworks, but I think using Hibernate is a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). Im personally not a fan of Spring, but its extremely hot in the Java community. Im afraid that if youre not using Spring, you will not be taken seriously. This brings me to another point. I personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich Internet Applications. A search on flex does not result in many hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly. I dont know your intentions behind your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more? To me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring. Does anyone have an explanation why Flex is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas KnudsenSent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clearof any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for theinfo... People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this?Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This istalked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Davemight have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourcedproject, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plugin different middle-wares.DKOn 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB. Building: Maven 2 Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they do not work together yet) For the build part I'm not satisfied yet. Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2 plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you posted on that. People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the community have. Using Flex 2what to use on the backend? With DAO Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java, ColdFusion, etc... What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your thoughts? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email t
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Douglas, Exactly the same reason why I chose for web services. It's standards based, so you're free to go on the back end. I don't know what you exactly meant with 'staying clear of frameworks', but I think using Hibernate is a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). I'm personally not a fan of Spring, but it's extremely hot in the Java community. I'm afraid that if you're not using Spring, you will not be taken seriously.I meant that it would seem lighter as there would be only the requirement that a J2EE container be available, nothing else. I'm not from the hardcore Java background wither, so I have not got Spring, Hibernate, etc under me firmly empyet/emp either. This brings me to another point. I personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich Internet Applications. A search on 'flex' does not result in many hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly. I don't know your intentions behind your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more? In my desire to increase my skills, I was thinking of writing a little issue tracking tool. heck, maybe just hook up a cool Flex2 UI to a already existing opensourced issue traker, eh? hmm To me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring.So to 'know your stuff' you must use a framework? I'm not a believer in this. Perhaps knowing of and how to use frameworks displays the notion that you 'know your stuff', eh? Does anyone have an explanation why Flex is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J ? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear of any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for the info... People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This is talked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Dave might have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourced project, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plug in different middle-wares. DK On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB. Building: Maven 2 Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they do not work together yet) For the build part I'm not satisfied yet. Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2 plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you posted on that. People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Ok, so I want to mess around building something to let everyone in the community have. Using Flex 2what to use on the backend? With DAO Factories, I suppose any back end DB will do, eh? start with MySQL and fill in for others. Now what about the middle ware? Java, ColdFusion, etc... What would be a good popular fit, eh? Your thoughts? -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http
Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Hi Franck, I’m not into ECM personally. I mostly develop administrative systems like order management systems and the like. Well, I am only into ECM because it's my special interest but not really used it for clients. Anyway I would love to implementate such one for real someday (new intension/resolution for this year ;-)). I had a look though at Alfresco and after 10 minutes I have a good impression. The webservices api was not entirely developed yet, but a quick glance at the Authentication WSDL showed my that is was pretty much similar to the api I developed myself. This makes me conclude that these web services should be perfectly accessible and usable by a FLEX app. So, go ahead, if you ask me J. Yes, I would be able to help out if I find the time todo so. Anyway Alfresco is really nice the company the product tool. It should if it's backed up by the founder of Documentum :-) One thing I noticed though is that the fault handling of web services within Flex 2 is not working as it should (see my post at the macromedia labs forum: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=584threadid=1097471#3924351 http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=584threadid=1097471#3924351). Maybe I’m doing wrong, but I don’t know what. Yeps... Yours, Weyert de Boer -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Hi Douglas, Its not wrong to use a framework. Some frameworks are really awesome, like Hibernate. You really dont want to write your own JDBC calls anymore. But, be my guest, of course Dont mistaken yourself though in the complexity of back-end work. Good frameworks do provide added value. Are you looking to only increase your Flex skills or also back-end skills? If you only want to increase your Flex skills I think your idea to program against an existing API is the best way to go. Another thread of this post mentions the open source product Alfresco, which has (or will have) a nice set of web services to program against If you do want to increase your back-end skills you have to do it right On the other hand youre right to say that to know your stuff is not equivalent how fluent you are in a certain framework. Thats also not what I intended to say. My reasoning had more to do with the fact that in the cruel and bitter world out there, unfortunately, its not important how good you are, but how good others think you are. Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 22:12 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Douglas, Exactly the same reason why I chose for web services. It's standards based, so you're free to go on the back end. I don't know what you exactly meant with 'staying clear of frameworks', but I think using Hibernate is a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). I'm personally not a fan of Spring, but it's extremely hot in the Java community. I'm afraid that if you're not using Spring, you will not be taken seriously. I meant that it would seem lighter as there would be only the requirement that a J2EE container be available, nothing else. I'm not from the hardcore Java background wither, so I have not got Spring, Hibernate, etc under me firmly empyet/emp either. This brings me to another point. I personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich Internet Applications. A search on 'flex' does not result in many hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly. I don't know your intentions behind your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more? In my desire to increase my skills, I was thinking of writing a little issue tracking tool. heck, maybe just hook up a cool Flex2 UI to a already existing opensourced issue traker, eh? hmm To me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring. So to 'know your stuff' you must use a framework? I'm not a believer in this. Perhaps knowing of and how to use frameworks displays the notion that you 'know your stuff', eh? Does anyone have an explanation why Flex is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J ? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear of any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for the info... People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This is talked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Dave might have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourced project, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plug in different middle-wares. DK On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB. Building: Maven
RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app
Java folks are very stubborn Are the Flex/Flash people so much different??? All engineers are probably the same :) Java folks are also very picky if it comes to spending money on development tools. We/They are so much used to get everything for free. Thats why they probably vouch for Laszlo. On the surface Laszlo and Flex/Flash look very similar. And most Java people will not look much further than the surface, if they look at all Is Macromedia/Adobe going to take the ball? What would be the right way to go to get some market in the Java arena? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 20:58 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Yeah, no one has become an evenagelist there, and those that have vouch for Laszlo. It's extremely frustrating repeating myself to those people, but it has to be done. The problem is, my background is Flash, not Flex, so I'm not taken seriously by a lot of Java folks, nor am I involved in their community. Someone needs to take the ball. - Original Message - From: Franck de Bruijn To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app Hi Douglas, Exactly the same reason why I chose for web services. Its standards based, so youre free to go on the back end. I dont know what you exactly meant with staying clear of frameworks, but I think using Hibernate is a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). Im personally not a fan of Spring, but its extremely hot in the Java community. Im afraid that if youre not using Spring, you will not be taken seriously. This brings me to another point. I personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich Internet Applications. A search on flex does not result in many hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly. I dont know your intentions behind your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more? To me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring. Does anyone have an explanation why Flex is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex app yeah, seems better to target Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear of any frameworks though to make it lighter in weight. Thanks for the info... People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for speed. This is talked about around this list a bit already...some guy named Dave might have said something :) I'm thinking for an open sourced project, web services is the way to go, should make it easier to plug in different middle-wares. DK On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are writing an open source application, I would stick as much as possible to open source frameworks and tools. I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2 application on the following software stack: Frontend: Flex 2 Interface towards backend: Web services with Apache Axis Middleware: Hibernate Wiring: plain java, but this is not so modern. So, maybe you will prefer Spring. Database: any one you prefer. For the prototype I'm using HSQLDB. Building: Maven 2 Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they do not work together yet) For the build part I'm not satisfied yet. Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2 plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you posted on that. People say that web services are the slowest alternative for interfacing, but I'm having very good experiences with it with respect to performance. Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF framework?) is preferred? Does anyone have benchmarks on this? Cheers, Franck From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41
