Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
A men brother rbeersr wrote: > Hello all If enough of you cared to move to Apple / Mac and the > software followed, there would be no need for these kind of > discussions. Long Live OS X! Dick W5AK > On Oct 20, 2006, at 7:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Jim sez: >> >>> In many ways, as far as PCs go, most people still treat them like the >>> early days of the industrial revolution, with one prime mover and >>> shafts and belts to power all the machines. At least for >>> microcomputers, they're embedded and invisible. To take the analogy >>> further, dual boot solutions are like the farmer with the PTO on the >>> tractor. You can either thresh corn or bale hay, but not both at >>> the same >>> time. >>> >> Bear with me, I'll make my point here eventually, but first a >> farmer joke. >> The equipment salesman is showing the farmer the new GPS guided >> tractor, the >> farmer asks if his farm hand will be able to run the tractor, to >> which the >> salesman replies, "Fella' takes a man and a dog in the cab at the >> same time >> to run this rig. The man is there to feed the dog and the dog is >> there to >> bite the man if he touches any of the controls" >> >> This joke is not so crazy as it sounds. My Almonds Orchards were >> planted >> with just such a system made by Raven Technologies. It was sort of >> Halloween >> weird to watch the tractor navigate the planting machinery thru the >> morning >> fog down rows 1/4 mile long to an accuracy of better than a 1/2 >> inch. Micro >> controllers, and full blown computing systems are everywhere now in >> Agriculture. They control irrigation systems with remote water >> monitors, >> compute evpotranspriation rates with data collected from the internet >> weather and turn on an off sprinkler systems over entire sections >> of land. >> Then report back status to the farmer (manager as we now call >> them) on cell >> phones. >> >> But here's the bottom line. You can make all the quaint old farmer >> in his >> blue bib overall jokes you want, but no farmer I know is so stupid >> as to >> send Raven Controls Inc. money two or three or four times tomorrow >> for the >> controller software that they already bought ONCE yesterday! >> >> If you want this nonsense from MS to stop, you just have to say >> NO ! No >> Vista, no pay XP again and again as a result of the phone home spy >> spyware.. >> Like the bumper stickers you used to see "JUST SAY NO!" >> >> -Dan K6KDK >> >> >> ___ >> FlexRadio mailing list >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com >> >> > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com > > > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Hello all If enough of you cared to move to Apple / Mac and the software followed, there would be no need for these kind of discussions. Long Live OS X! Dick W5AK On Oct 20, 2006, at 7:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim sez: >> In many ways, as far as PCs go, most people still treat them like the >> early days of the industrial revolution, with one prime mover and >> shafts and belts to power all the machines. At least for >> microcomputers, they're embedded and invisible. To take the analogy >> further, dual boot solutions are like the farmer with the PTO on the >> tractor. You can either thresh corn or bale hay, but not both at >> the same >> time. > > Bear with me, I'll make my point here eventually, but first a > farmer joke. > The equipment salesman is showing the farmer the new GPS guided > tractor, the > farmer asks if his farm hand will be able to run the tractor, to > which the > salesman replies, "Fella' takes a man and a dog in the cab at the > same time > to run this rig. The man is there to feed the dog and the dog is > there to > bite the man if he touches any of the controls" > > This joke is not so crazy as it sounds. My Almonds Orchards were > planted > with just such a system made by Raven Technologies. It was sort of > Halloween > weird to watch the tractor navigate the planting machinery thru the > morning > fog down rows 1/4 mile long to an accuracy of better than a 1/2 > inch. Micro > controllers, and full blown computing systems are everywhere now in > Agriculture. They control irrigation systems with remote water > monitors, > compute evpotranspriation rates with data collected from the internet > weather and turn on an off sprinkler systems over entire sections > of land. > Then report back status to the farmer (manager as we now call > them) on cell > phones. > > But here's the bottom line. You can make all the quaint old farmer > in his > blue bib overall jokes you want, but no farmer I know is so stupid > as to > send Raven Controls Inc. money two or three or four times tomorrow > for the > controller software that they already bought ONCE yesterday! > > If you want this nonsense from MS to stop, you just have to say > NO ! No > Vista, no pay XP again and again as a result of the phone home spy > spyware.. > Like the bumper stickers you used to see "JUST SAY NO!" > > -Dan K6KDK > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
At 05:44 PM 10/20/2006, Gerald Capodieci wrote: >The key here is to Not purchase OEM computers. If you're the type to >fix his own computer then build your own from parts. It's really >easy at stores like FRY's, they'll help you to assemble the >compatable parts. Partition the drive into C and D. Keep all your >data on D and only the OS on C. When it comes time to replace the >motherboard, reformat drive C only, then reinstall the OS. And of course, if you build your own, you'll be buying a retail copy of the OS, which doesn't have the "reinstall prohibition" anyway. You'll save on the hardware cost, but pay more for the OS. The problem only crops up if you buy a fully assembled system (with a discount priced OEM license) and then try to modify it. Mind you, Fry's has an "interesting" reputation with the California Attorney General and with most manufacturers. Something about reselling used equipment as new or similar. Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] QST - November Article
While reading the November QST I noticed very good comments about SDR and the SDR1000; just wanted to pass this on. The comments are at the end of the "It Seems to Us" article. It's great to be a part of this, thanks. Thanks, Joe WD5Y ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
The key here is to Not purchase OEM computers. If you're the type to fix his own computer then build your own from parts. It's really easy at stores like FRY's, they'll help you to assemble the compatable parts. Partition the drive into C and D. Keep all your data on D and only the OS on C. When it comes time to replace the motherboard, reformat drive C only, then reinstall the OS. Ross Stenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Somewhat off topic but on target, think about this. I have repaired many computers recently with motherboard failures due to faulty electrolytic caps (well documented on the web). Most OEM computers come with XP preinstalled. Per the OEM agreement you can't reactivate XP when a new motherboard is installed which usually involves significant hardware changes. Each and every user must repurchase the OS in order to reactivate XP. Try explaining that to someone when they must buy XP again to make their machine functional. 73 Ross K9COX ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061020/769997e7/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Vista and XP. I'm planing to upgrade to XP. MS may be allot like Ford. The keep fixing and upgrading the model till they just about got all the bugs out then they discontinue it (Taurus, Mustang, Tbird etc). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim sez: > In many ways, as far as PCs go, most people still treat them like the > early days of the industrial revolution, with one prime mover and > shafts and belts to power all the machines. At least for > microcomputers, they're embedded and invisible. To take the analogy > further, dual boot solutions are like the farmer with the PTO on the > tractor. You can either thresh corn or bale hay, but not both at the same > time. Bear with me, I'll make my point here eventually, but first a farmer joke. The equipment salesman is showing the farmer the new GPS guided tractor, the farmer asks if his farm hand will be able to run the tractor, to which the salesman replies, "Fella' takes a man and a dog in the cab at the same time to run this rig. The man is there to feed the dog and the dog is there to bite the man if he touches any of the controls" This joke is not so crazy as it sounds. My Almonds Orchards were planted with just such a system made by Raven Technologies. It was sort of Halloween weird to watch the tractor navigate the planting machinery thru the morning fog down rows 1/4 mile long to an accuracy of better than a 1/2 inch. Micro controllers, and full blown computing systems are everywhere now in Agriculture. They control irrigation systems with remote water monitors, compute evpotranspriation rates with data collected from the internet weather and turn on an off sprinkler systems over entire sections of land. Then report back status to the farmer (manager as we now call them) on cell phones. But here's the bottom line. You can make all the quaint old farmer in his blue bib overall jokes you want, but no farmer I know is so stupid as to send Raven Controls Inc. money two or three or four times tomorrow for the controller software that they already bought ONCE yesterday! If you want this nonsense from MS to stop, you just have to say NO ! No Vista, no pay XP again and again as a result of the phone home spy spyware.. Like the bumper stickers you used to see "JUST SAY NO!" -Dan K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061020/f523f8c0/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] PowerSDR too fast to control SteppIR
I thought I'd share my recent experience with getting my new SteppIR antenna to follow the frequency changes of PowerSDR. One of the nice options SteppIR has is that it will readjust its antenna elements every 50kHz to keep the antenna on track with the transceiver. It did so perfectly with my ICOM 746. However, when I connected it to the com port of the PC on which PowerSDR is running it stubbornly refused to do so. No matter what I tried. The infuriating thing was that with portmon I could see the "IF;" status request from the SteppIR every second or so followed by the IF-response from PowerSDR. Even more infuriatng was that I could confirm with a second PC that the PowerSDR response was arriving at the SteppIR control box. After trying many options with the dedicated help of Tom Thompson W0IVJ, I finally contacted SteppIR. Several email back and forths later an engineer from SteppIR informed me that the response to the SteppIR's IF request must not follow within 100ms. Revisiting my portmon log, I saw that PowerSDR was responding a mere 30ms later on the PC I was running it on (see below). By lowering the baud rate from 9600 to 2400 (the lowest setting on the SteppIR) I was able to increase this to 130ms, after which the SteppIR tracked flawlessly. It would seem that PowerSDR is clearly setting the pace of things in more ways than one and that hardware manufacturers are struggling to keep up ;-) Anyway, I hope that my findings help others who may have the same issue. 73 de Joe - AB1DO Configuration: Dell Dimension 4700 /w 3GHz P4 HT + 1GB DDR2 SDRAM + Intel 915G Express + XPHomeSP2 SDR-1000 + RFE + 100W PA Delta-44 + Break-out kit -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061020/815a5d95/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Jim sez: > In many ways, as far as PCs go, most people still treat them like the > early days of the industrial revolution, with one prime mover and > shafts and belts to power all the machines. At least for > microcomputers, they're embedded and invisible. To take the analogy > further, dual boot solutions are like the farmer with the PTO on the > tractor. You can either thresh corn or bale hay, but not both at the same > time. Bear with me, I'll make my point here eventually, but first a farmer joke. The equipment salesman is showing the farmer the new GPS guided tractor, the farmer asks if his farm hand will be able to run the tractor, to which the salesman replies, "Fella' takes a man and a dog in the cab at the same time to run this rig. The man is there to feed the dog and the dog is there to bite the man if he touches any of the controls" This joke is not so crazy as it sounds. My Almonds Orchards were planted with just such a system made by Raven Technologies. It was sort of Halloween weird to watch the tractor navigate the planting machinery thru the morning fog down rows 1/4 mile long to an accuracy of better than a 1/2 inch. Micro controllers, and full blown computing systems are everywhere now in Agriculture. They control irrigation systems with remote water monitors, compute evpotranspriation rates with data collected from the internet weather and turn on an off sprinkler systems over entire sections of land. Then report back status to the farmer (manager as we now call them) on cell phones. But here's the bottom line. You can make all the quaint old farmer in his blue bib overall jokes you want, but no farmer I know is so stupid as to send Raven Controls Inc. money two or three or four times tomorrow for the controller software that they already bought ONCE yesterday! If you want this nonsense from MS to stop, you just have to say NO ! No Vista, no pay XP again and again as a result of the phone home spy spyware.. Like the bumper stickers you used to see "JUST SAY NO!" -Dan K6KDK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
At 04:28 PM 10/20/2006, Ross Stenberg wrote: >Somewhat off topic but on target, think about this. I have repaired many >computers recently with motherboard failures due to faulty electrolytic caps >(well documented on the web). Most OEM computers come with XP preinstalled. >Per the OEM agreement you can't reactivate XP when a new motherboard is >installed which usually involves significant hardware changes. Each and >every user must repurchase the OS in order to reactivate XP. Try explaining >that to someone when they must buy XP again to make their machine >functional. An OEM license is just that.. only good for the Original Equipment Manufacturer and whatever terms they negotiated. Seems to me that this would be a warranty claim against the original manufacturer. In this case you're buying the single, non-transferrable, copy of XP with the motherboard, no different than if it was a voltage regulator soldered into the board. the license agreement essentially makes the copy of the OS part of the physical motherboard. Replace the motherboard, replace the OS. After all, that OEM copy of the OS cost a LOT less than a retail copy. In other words, "no user serviceable parts inside" and one of the parts happens to be WinXP. I would imagine that if the mobo failed in a factory assembled computer under warranty, and the mfr replaced it, they'd also be on the hook to replace the OS too. Certainly this has been the case with several computers I've replaced under warranty. I give them dead box, they give me new live box, with a different copy of the OS. If they don't they're probably not adhering to the terms of the OEM agreement, or the warranty. Once it's out of warranty, your shafted either way. The cost of a mobo replacement isn't just that for the mobo hardware and the labor to replace it, but also the cost of a new copy of the OS. Of course, it's also possible that there are sellers of PCs out there who play fast and loose, and aren't totally forthcoming about the warranty implications of OEM installed OSes. Jim ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] DRM on svn 701?
Is DRM working on v 1.6.3 svn 771? I want to be sure before submitting a bug report. -- 73 de Ignacio, EB4APL ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Somewhat off topic but on target, think about this. I have repaired many computers recently with motherboard failures due to faulty electrolytic caps (well documented on the web). Most OEM computers come with XP preinstalled. Per the OEM agreement you can't reactivate XP when a new motherboard is installed which usually involves significant hardware changes. Each and every user must repurchase the OS in order to reactivate XP. Try explaining that to someone when they must buy XP again to make their machine functional. 73 Ross K9COX ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > PS -- by way of background, I teach a course in IP licensing at our > local law school, and I just spent our last class going through the > Vista agreement with my class. Shows you how much *I* know. I would have thought that the venue would have been Infectious Diseases or Epidemiology. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Alan NV8A said the following on 10/20/2006 06:27 AM: > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=156&tag=nl.e622 > >> While I am no fan of Micro$oft and use its products as little as >> possible, I read a discussion of this point somewhere else, and someone >> suggested that the intention was to prohibit a person from transferring >> the software to several computers before deleting it from the original >> machine. >> >> It says that it may be transferred only to ONE computer, *not* that it >> may be transferred only ONCE. > > Unfortunately, that's not true. The license for Vista "Home Basic", > "Home Premium", and "Ultimate" has a number of provisions that limit reuse. > > 1. You are required to assign the license to one physical hardware > system. (Section 2) > > 2. "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another > device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes > the 'licensed device'." (Section 15) > > 3. "The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the > software, and this agreement, directly to a third party. The first user > must uninstall the software before transferring it separately from the > device. The first user may not retain any copies. (Section 16(a)) > > 4. "Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this > agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software. The transfer > must include the proof of license." > > So, the *first user* may reassign the software to another machine > *once*. And the first user can transfer the license (i.e., if you sell > the computer with Vista installed), but that second user has no right to > further transfer it. So, if you buy a used machine with Vista > installed, you can't resell the machine without taking the OS off. > > 73, > John > > PS -- by way of background, I teach a course in IP licensing at our > local law school, and I just spent our last class going through the > Vista agreement with my class. It wasn't a pleasant experience. :-) > Eventually they are going to cut their own throats! History repeats itself, for programmers that don't understand real life below is a basic flow; While(Forever) new_history = old_history; old_history = new_history; time_passes; Repeat I'm looking forward to be alive and witness the self-destruction of Microsoft. -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com "Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger!" Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Not necessarily, if you are a corporate entity you can buy the MS Product CD's for less than $20, Microsoft will let you downgrade their OS's and Office products, and programming tools. Also that license may be in use. Jim Lux wrote: > At 07:42 AM 10/20/2006, Tim Ellison wrote: >> Here is another big question. With the MS server products, you can buy >> a 2003 license and legally run 2000, as long has you have the 2000 media >> to load. > > Wouldn't you have already licensed 2000 in this case, and the 2000 > license doesn't "expire" per se, just MS drops support after a while. > >> I wonder if the same is going to be true for Vista/XP or will >> Micro$oft force the desktop market to move to Vista? I am presuming it >> will be the later. > > I doubt it. The move to Vista is going to be forced, not by MS, but > by copyrighted content providers who will only provide the content > people want in forms only viewable by Vista. You can still run Win95, > and there are places out there providing Win95 (only) software > (typically to control some 10 year old piece of hardware). > > At some point, MS will EOL support for XP, and at that point, if > you're an enterprise consumer and your business depends on XP > applications AND MS support, you'll have to move on. An interesting > point: if you have WGA installed, and MS EOLs XP, will your copy > still authenticate when phoning home? > > The move, particularly for the consumer market (which is where > PowerSDR users buy their computers) will be because most people don't > want a dedicated computer for their radio. They also want to use it > for other things (watching movies, online content, etc.) and those > applications will migrate to Vista. > > In many ways, as far as PCs go, most people still treat them like the > early days of the industrial revolution, with one prime mover and > shafts and belts to power all the machines. At least for > microcomputers, they're embedded and invisible. To take the analogy > further, dual boot solutions are like the farmer with the PTO on the > tractor. You can either thresh corn or bale hay, but not both at the same > time. > > The *long run* solution I'd like to see is the dedicated PC for the > radio running something stripped down and lean (RTEMS, Linux, what > have you) and the UI running on whatever the flavor dujour of popular > UI platform is. It's almost there... moreso for some commercial > radios (PCR1000,1500., Kenwood TS2000, Icom IC7000 running with a > third party controller program) than for the SDR1000. At least in a > "turnkey, plug it in and get it going with less than 4 hours of > fiddling around" sort of mode. > > Getting a "headless" computer to run WinXP (and PowerSDR) and then > run it using CAT from another computer with some way to move the > audio around is probably a more than a weekend part time sort of task. > > Likewise, getting one of the very nifty Linux interfaces and engines > running is a sort of piecemeal and tedious challenge, although I > imagine it has been done. > > Jim, W6RMK > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com > -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com "Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger!" Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Alan NV8A said the following on 10/20/2006 06:27 AM: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=156&tag=nl.e622 > While I am no fan of Micro$oft and use its products as little as > possible, I read a discussion of this point somewhere else, and someone > suggested that the intention was to prohibit a person from transferring > the software to several computers before deleting it from the original > machine. > > It says that it may be transferred only to ONE computer, *not* that it > may be transferred only ONCE. Unfortunately, that's not true. The license for Vista "Home Basic", "Home Premium", and "Ultimate" has a number of provisions that limit reuse. 1. You are required to assign the license to one physical hardware system. (Section 2) 2. "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the 'licensed device'." (Section 15) 3. "The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the software, and this agreement, directly to a third party. The first user must uninstall the software before transferring it separately from the device. The first user may not retain any copies. (Section 16(a)) 4. "Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software. The transfer must include the proof of license." So, the *first user* may reassign the software to another machine *once*. And the first user can transfer the license (i.e., if you sell the computer with Vista installed), but that second user has no right to further transfer it. So, if you buy a used machine with Vista installed, you can't resell the machine without taking the OS off. 73, John PS -- by way of background, I teach a course in IP licensing at our local law school, and I just spent our last class going through the Vista agreement with my class. It wasn't a pleasant experience. :-) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Flex, SteppIR and Los Angeles
Hi All, I am new to Flex, live in Los Angeles and have a SteppIR. Anyone else in Flex Land (Los Angeles or nearby) with whom I might chat? Thanks to everyone for the wonderfully informative posts. 73...Cary, W6CGB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061020/19f07ee8/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
At 07:42 AM 10/20/2006, Tim Ellison wrote: >Here is another big question. With the MS server products, you can buy >a 2003 license and legally run 2000, as long has you have the 2000 media >to load. Wouldn't you have already licensed 2000 in this case, and the 2000 license doesn't "expire" per se, just MS drops support after a while. > I wonder if the same is going to be true for Vista/XP or will >Micro$oft force the desktop market to move to Vista? I am presuming it >will be the later. I doubt it. The move to Vista is going to be forced, not by MS, but by copyrighted content providers who will only provide the content people want in forms only viewable by Vista. You can still run Win95, and there are places out there providing Win95 (only) software (typically to control some 10 year old piece of hardware). At some point, MS will EOL support for XP, and at that point, if you're an enterprise consumer and your business depends on XP applications AND MS support, you'll have to move on. An interesting point: if you have WGA installed, and MS EOLs XP, will your copy still authenticate when phoning home? The move, particularly for the consumer market (which is where PowerSDR users buy their computers) will be because most people don't want a dedicated computer for their radio. They also want to use it for other things (watching movies, online content, etc.) and those applications will migrate to Vista. In many ways, as far as PCs go, most people still treat them like the early days of the industrial revolution, with one prime mover and shafts and belts to power all the machines. At least for microcomputers, they're embedded and invisible. To take the analogy further, dual boot solutions are like the farmer with the PTO on the tractor. You can either thresh corn or bale hay, but not both at the same time. The *long run* solution I'd like to see is the dedicated PC for the radio running something stripped down and lean (RTEMS, Linux, what have you) and the UI running on whatever the flavor dujour of popular UI platform is. It's almost there... moreso for some commercial radios (PCR1000,1500., Kenwood TS2000, Icom IC7000 running with a third party controller program) than for the SDR1000. At least in a "turnkey, plug it in and get it going with less than 4 hours of fiddling around" sort of mode. Getting a "headless" computer to run WinXP (and PowerSDR) and then run it using CAT from another computer with some way to move the audio around is probably a more than a weekend part time sort of task. Likewise, getting one of the very nifty Linux interfaces and engines running is a sort of piecemeal and tedious challenge, although I imagine it has been done. Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Here is another big question. With the MS server products, you can buy a 2003 license and legally run 2000, as long has you have the 2000 media to load. I wonder if the same is going to be true for Vista/XP or will Micro$oft force the desktop market to move to Vista? I am presuming it will be the later. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services "Noli nothis permittere te terere." - common phrase spoken by Roman slaves. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:18 AM To: Flex Radio Reflector Subject: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery Well, there will be a long while to sort this out. But, it may turn into a real problem. Still, MS has backed down (on the corporate side) from the more onerous terms before. That said, I'm going to wait and see myself. I'm already not very happy with the terms and conditions for XP and its "activation" claptrap. Don't want MS sniffing my machine every time I add a device. It's getting more and more intrusive so that even an honest man feels vaguely crooked. Or at least, like living in a police state. I do my tax returns, that's enough of arbitrary nonsense designed to stress you out. I do hope Flex supports Windows XP for a long time to come, because I'm going to purchase XP for as long as I can contrive an honest way to do so. Lots of used PCs out there with lots of power. Larry WO0Z V31LL P40LL ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ready to take the programming plunge
At 05:14 AM 10/20/2006, John Basilotto wrote: >Bob, I recommend that you visit our web site and read what others have to >say about the SDR. http://www.flex-radio.com/Users.aspx?topic=testimonials > >The Reflector is like headline news; typically the bad news gets all the >press and attention. The overwhelming majority of our customers love their >radios and they're not programmers or computer scientists. --- I would concur.. I would estimate that there are about 1000-2000 SDR1000s out there (based on the number of unique identifiers that have become members of various lists) and probably only 20-30 of them actually post on a regular basis. But, see below.. >to be MSDOS (as I said, archaic). My immediate reaction to the SDR concept >was "Wow - just what I need to progress my programming skills into my >retirement - and what a great way to combine two aspects of my interests." > > However, rather than just throw money at it, it seemed sensible to check >out this forum first. Having read Richard Stasiask's very encouraging >message of a few days ago I thought "that's it! - time to buy" - but then >I've been equally dismayed by other messages since then, of which I cannot >make much sense - can I emphasise here that I'm not trying to be in any way >offensive to anybody - but, my goodness, from my rather basic (no puns >intended) programming skill level there appears to be an awful lot of >jargon! > > Is there anyone out there feeling the same way as me? Am I wasting mental >energy even contemplating the prospect of ever being about to effect >personal changes to PowerSDR? No, it's a very real possibility that you can effect personal changes. However, you need to be aware that modifying a software radio is a bit different than modifying a hardware radio. Manage your expectations... 1) Both require some background knowledge of how it works, at least in the area you want to change. For hardware, this knowledge is widely dispersed (and some is part of the license exam). Software radio components are a bit newer, and it's a bit tougher. But, there's stuff out there, and particularly if you want to fool with the user interface, as opposed to changing the DSP, it's pretty straightforward. 2) Making a change in the existing source code makes it diverge from the regular path of development. Your change either has to get adopted into the regular distribution, or everytime a new development version comes out, you have to reapply your change (or figure out an automated way to do this..) This is not so different than the hardware world.. you change parts on the PC board, and now yours is not like anybody else's board, and if the mfr issues a new version of the board, you'd have to do the mod again.The difference between hard and soft radios is that the pace of changes for soft radios is substantially greater. I'd bet that nobody is running the original VB software for the radio anymore, and that's only a couple or three years old. OTOH, I'm still using the same (modified) FT757GX that is 20 years old, and haven't, for instance, upgraded to a FT757 GX-II by swapping boards and front panels. However, as a good friend of mine points out with respect to projects like this one.. "code for yourself and don't make your code depend on someone else finishing theirs, because they probably won't, at least not on your schedule". 3) All systems (hard or soft) have jargon. Some you already know because it's traditional (hardware radios have been around for decades..). Some is very "radio model specific" and the SDR-1000/PowerSDR is no different. Some of it is knowledge domain specific: brickwall filter or Bartshead pulse shape in the DSP world, or all the stuff from the Windows or Linux world. Start digging into it and either the jargon becomes obvious, or you can ask and someone will answer. You bring up a fascinating idea though.. is there a knowledge base (KB) article on PowerSDR jargon? To define commonly used terms on the list like SVN. Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Well, there will be a long while to sort this out. But, it may turn into a real problem. Still, MS has backed down (on the corporate side) from the more onerous terms before. That said, I'm going to wait and see myself. I'm already not very happy with the terms and conditions for XP and its "activation" claptrap. Don't want MS sniffing my machine every time I add a device. It's getting more and more intrusive so that even an honest man feels vaguely crooked. Or at least, like living in a police state. I do my tax returns, that's enough of arbitrary nonsense designed to stress you out. I do hope Flex supports Windows XP for a long time to come, because I'm going to purchase XP for as long as I can contrive an honest way to do so. Lots of used PCs out there with lots of power. Larry WO0Z V31LL P40LL ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ready to take the programming plunge
Bob, I recommend that you visit our web site and read what others have to say about the SDR. http://www.flex-radio.com/Users.aspx?topic=testimonials The Reflector is like headline news; typically the bad news gets all the press and attention. The overwhelming majority of our customers love their radios and they're not programmers or computer scientists. John P. Basilotto W5GI Marketing and Product Manager FlexRadio Systems Office 512-250-8595 Mobile 512-663-6727 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Bower Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:34 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Ready to take the programming plunge My old base station of thirty years (an FT200) has finally died and I need a new rig. I've been hanging my nose over the SDR1000 for some months now. It appears to be the future, but at the same time my natural comfort zone says the easy option is an FT2000 or the like. I've done plenty of programming in archaic languages like Quickbasic - I'm a maths teacher and over the past eight years or so I've developed a complete suite of programs to teach numeracy for the whole of the Scottish secondary school curriculum, which I use on a daily basis with my classes. I've had to beg,steal or borrow hand-me-down PCs in order to get a complete class set of 30 machines - the corollary is that the lowest common OS denominator has had to be MSDOS (as I said, archaic). My immediate reaction to the SDR concept was "Wow - just what I need to progress my programming skills into my retirement - and what a great way to combine two aspects of my interests." However, rather than just throw money at it, it seemed sensible to check out this forum first. Having read Richard Stasiask's very encouraging message of a few days ago I thought "that's it! - time to buy" - but then I've been equally dismayed by other messages since then, of which I cannot make much sense - can I emphasise here that I'm not trying to be in any way offensive to anybody - but, my goodness, from my rather basic (no puns intended) programming skill level there appears to be an awful lot of jargon! Is there anyone out there feeling the same way as me? Am I wasting mental energy even contemplating the prospect of ever being about to effect personal changes to PowerSDR? Bob GM4DLG -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061019/6fc35f4f/attachment .html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
On 10/19/06 11:51 pm Ed Haskell wrote: > I hope Flex Radio plans to continue supporting WinXP for a long time > because the new license for Vista means I won't ever be upgrading. My > retail copies of WinXP have been on at least 5 machines each. > > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=156&tag=nl.e622 While I am no fan of Micro$oft and use its products as little as possible, I read a discussion of this point somewhere else, and someone suggested that the intention was to prohibit a person from transferring the software to several computers before deleting it from the original machine. It says that it may be transferred only to ONE computer, *not* that it may be transferred only ONCE. 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Windows highway robbery
Hi Cecil, I would be very interested to hear from you when you have managed to get Linux SDR 1000 software running. Good luck --- Cecil Bayona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Haskell wrote: > > I hope Flex Radio plans to continue supporting > WinXP for a long time > > because the new license for Vista means I won't > ever be upgrading. My > > retail copies of WinXP have been on at least 5 > machines each. > > > > > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=156&tag=nl.e622 > > > > Ed K5RJI > > > > Hah Ha Hah, I read an article recently that changing > a motherboard or > your hard drive will require you to re-register > Vista, there went your > one shot. I'm leaving Microsoft country and never > looking back. > > As of now I have only one program that I must run in > Windows, and soon I > will be knocking that one out too. It's the software > to run the > SDR-1000, in a week or two I will be able to > dedicate some time to make > the Linux SDR-1000 software run then it will be "So > long , and thanks > for the fish". > > > -- > > Cecil > KD5NWA > www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com > > "Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger!"Don Seglio > Batuna > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
