[Flexradio] Virtual Serial Port alternative (aka It Ain't Me, Babe)

[Lyle Johnson]

Perhaps there are some Flexers out there who can take Phil's vCOM source 
code, set things up to cause the problem to happen, and debug it. (No, 
not you, Bob.)  But if this is a community, and the source is open, it 
seems like there ought to be a better solution than "spend another $100" 
when the vCOM source is readily available, and vCOM apparently either 
works or mostly works.

I recall seeing something recently about the difference between the 
approach using PowerSDR and closed boxes is that so many folks can learn 
and contribute.

Like a Swift being too old to participate in his Modest Proposal, I 
don't do PC software so I regret I can't be of any help.  (I am doing 
PCB work for HPSDR, though, so I am contributing a little to the SDR 
community in some small way.)

It seems like there ought to be, at a minimum, hundreds of lurkers here 
who do write/have written/can write code for PCs.  All it takes is *one* 
competent PC software person who wants to contribute/help. If there are 
*two* such people reading this, then maybe the need for purchase VAC can 
be eliminated, too!

Anyone reading thisknow how to write software for a PC? Anyone...

Musingly,

Lyle KK7P


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Re: [Flexradio] Virtual Serial Port alternative

[Robert McGwier]

My apologies Ken.  It was not you it was Bill W9OL and I'm sorry I aimed 
it at you.   I just forgot who it was.


There my apologies end. I do not discount Phil's contributions.  I also 
do not propose solutions for problems that do not exist and I most 
certainly do not waste my own money for nonexistent issues.  If you were 
listening to the office every day talking about phone calls complaining 
about stopped serial ports, or looking at bug reports (that have just 
stopped since they have given up) you might investigate as well  I have 
investigated with port mon as has Bob Tracey and several others.  For 
those who have had repeated, regular problems, portmon does not lie. 
The applications on either side of the port remain operational and send 
stuff to a hung port.  I had this issue as well.  I never see it with 
Eltima ports.  With the Flex 5000 going out the door, and people 
expecting to see all of that stuff glue together seamlessly,  I am 
putting up an alternative because there is little choice.  We have been 
told CLEARLY that development on the vCom suite is at an end.  Hey, the 
guy has to make a living and he is doing just that.  No one blames him 
and everyone thanks him but that does not mean we can stick our heads in 
the sand like ostriches.  I mean to contest this year with the 5000 and 
it simply has to work.

Bob





Ken N9VV wrote:
> Hi Bob, I am one of the happy campers who enjoys using vCOM every day 
> without any problems. The Eltima product might be an expensive solution 
> looking for a problem.
> 
> I use vCOM for both CAT connectivity (6-16 pair) and CW keying (7-17 
> pair) between MixW and PowerSDR. I have used vCOM with EasyPal digital 
> SSTV and other digi programs without a glitch.  vCOM has worked 
> faithfully for several years (since 2005) 
> http://www.philcovington.com/SDR.html
> 
> I want to thank Phil Covington for his generous contribution of vCOM 
> along with:
> #   .NET 1.1 Serial Port Support Class
> #   .NET 1.1 Socket Utilities Class
> #   Serial to TCP  Bridge
> #   SharpDSP Console for the Softrock
> #   The beautiful live analog S-Meter (patterned after John KC5NRA)
> #   XML serialization for PowerSDR
> #   SharpDevelop alternative compiler examples and demonstration
> #   Mono testing and exploration
> #   His innumerable contributions to Mercury and HPSDR
> #   His new QuickSilver VERB DDC design
> #   and now SharpDSP2 for the QuickSilver
> 
> de ken n9vv
> 
> Robert McGwier wrote:
>> vCom has served us very well indeed thanks to Phil and as always, the 
>> price was indeed right.  Many experience drop outs of the serial lines 
>> between your external programs and the PowerSDR.  I have looked for an 
>> alternative to vCom for quite a while that might fix this issue since 
>> I could monitor ports and see that all applications were still talking 
>> and that the vCom ports were becoming black holes.  Closing and 
>> opening fixed the problem but this is not an acceptable solution.
>>
>> For those of you who are new to PowerSDR and Flex radio,  there are no 
>> wires between your logging and rotor and contesting programs and the 
>> radio.  It is done VIRTUALLY inside the computer.  The virtual glue we 
>> have been using is vCom.  I am recommending an alternative, VSPD, if 
>> you find yourself having trouble with vCom.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there is no really usable free alternative I can find. 
>> Development on all of this was stymied when we were going to move to 
>> Visual Studio > 2005 and .NET 2.0 but developmental delays have 
>> prevented this.
>>
>> I want every SDR-1000 and Flex 5000 to have the best possible 
>> experience with their radio so I wish to recommend an alternative that 
>> is NOT free.   You can download it and try it for 14 days and prove to 
>> yourself that you no longer have drop outs.
>>
>> http://www.eltima.com/products/vspdxp/
>> http://www.eltima.com/de/products/vspdxp/
>>
>> I recommend if you download the trial version,  you unload vCom (this 
>> is easy) and load this as a replacement for the fourteen days it is 
>> free to use.  Unlike VAC,  it will not start shouting by me now but 
>> will just say "it is time for you to purchase" when you try to open 
>> the control panel.  I have run this product now for two months since 
>> it was recommended to me by someone here to try.  I believe that was 
>> Ken, N9VV, but I am uncertain.  If it was Ken, thank you, if it was 
>> not Ken, my apologies for not writing down who it was.
>>
>> Here are the things I do know.  I have not had a virtual serial port 
>> drop out in two months.  I have not had the occasional other problems 
>> that I believe were associated with vCom.
>>
>> The product is not cheap.  It is a flat $100.00 for a single copy. If 
>> 21 of you band together, it is $50.00 each.  I can recommend it as 
>> wonderfully easy to use, as easy as vCom.  The GUI is no more 
>> functional that vCom but VSPD has more capabilities than vCom which 
>> you can fin

Re: [Flexradio] Virtual Serial Port alternative

[Ken N9VV]

Hi Bob, I am one of the happy campers who enjoys using vCOM every day 
without any problems. The Eltima product might be an expensive solution 
looking for a problem.

I use vCOM for both CAT connectivity (6-16 pair) and CW keying (7-17 
pair) between MixW and PowerSDR. I have used vCOM with EasyPal digital 
SSTV and other digi programs without a glitch.  vCOM has worked 
faithfully for several years (since 2005) 
http://www.philcovington.com/SDR.html

I want to thank Phil Covington for his generous contribution of vCOM 
along with:
#   .NET 1.1 Serial Port Support Class
#   .NET 1.1 Socket Utilities Class
#   Serial to TCP  Bridge
#   SharpDSP Console for the Softrock
#   The beautiful live analog S-Meter (patterned after John KC5NRA)
#   XML serialization for PowerSDR
#   SharpDevelop alternative compiler examples and demonstration
#   Mono testing and exploration
#   His innumerable contributions to Mercury and HPSDR
#   His new QuickSilver VERB DDC design
#   and now SharpDSP2 for the QuickSilver

de ken n9vv

Robert McGwier wrote:
> vCom has served us very well indeed thanks to Phil and as always, the 
> price was indeed right.  Many experience drop outs of the serial lines 
> between your external programs and the PowerSDR.  I have looked for an 
> alternative to vCom for quite a while that might fix this issue since I 
> could monitor ports and see that all applications were still talking and 
> that the vCom ports were becoming black holes.  Closing and opening 
> fixed the problem but this is not an acceptable solution.
> 
> For those of you who are new to PowerSDR and Flex radio,  there are no 
> wires between your logging and rotor and contesting programs and the 
> radio.  It is done VIRTUALLY inside the computer.  The virtual glue we 
> have been using is vCom.  I am recommending an alternative, VSPD, if you 
> find yourself having trouble with vCom.
> 
> Unfortunately, there is no really usable free alternative I can find. 
> Development on all of this was stymied when we were going to move to 
> Visual Studio > 2005 and .NET 2.0 but developmental delays have 
> prevented this.
> 
> I want every SDR-1000 and Flex 5000 to have the best possible experience 
> with their radio so I wish to recommend an alternative that is NOT free. 
>   You can download it and try it for 14 days and prove to yourself that 
> you no longer have drop outs.
> 
> http://www.eltima.com/products/vspdxp/
> http://www.eltima.com/de/products/vspdxp/
> 
> I recommend if you download the trial version,  you unload vCom (this is 
> easy) and load this as a replacement for the fourteen days it is free to 
> use.  Unlike VAC,  it will not start shouting by me now but will just 
> say "it is time for you to purchase" when you try to open the control 
> panel.  I have run this product now for two months since it was 
> recommended to me by someone here to try.  I believe that was Ken, N9VV, 
> but I am uncertain.  If it was Ken, thank you, if it was not Ken, my 
> apologies for not writing down who it was.
> 
> Here are the things I do know.  I have not had a virtual serial port 
> drop out in two months.  I have not had the occasional other problems 
> that I believe were associated with vCom.
> 
> The product is not cheap.  It is a flat $100.00 for a single copy. If 21 
> of you band together, it is $50.00 each.  I can recommend it as 
> wonderfully easy to use, as easy as vCom.  The GUI is no more functional 
> that vCom but VSPD has more capabilities than vCom which you can find 
> out by trying it yourself for a free 14 day trial.
> 
> I spent the $100 to make sure it was sound before I recommended it.  I can.
> 
> 
> 
> 73's
> Bob
> N4HY
> 

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Duty Cycle & WSJT JT6M

[Philip M. Lanese]

100%.  Joe uses phase coherent tone shift and you set each of the tones to
produce the same output level so there is NO off time.  Also, don't use the
Compressor or Equalizer.

Phil, K3IB

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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: [Flexradio] Flex-5000 Duty Cycle & WSJT JT6M


> One of the things that I really want to try with the Flex-5000 that I have on
order is 6 metre WSJT JT6M.
>
> Does anyone know what the duty cycle is for WSJT? And what is the duty cycle
for the Flex-5000?
>
> 73
> Zack
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[Flexradio] Flex-5000 Duty Cycle & WSJT JT6M

[vtnn43e]

One of the things that I really want to try with the Flex-5000 that I have on 
order is 6 metre WSJT JT6M.

Does anyone know what the duty cycle is for WSJT? And what is the duty cycle 
for the Flex-5000? 

73
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[Flexradio] Virtual Serial Port alternative

[Robert McGwier]

vCom has served us very well indeed thanks to Phil and as always, the 
price was indeed right.  Many experience drop outs of the serial lines 
between your external programs and the PowerSDR.  I have looked for an 
alternative to vCom for quite a while that might fix this issue since I 
could monitor ports and see that all applications were still talking and 
that the vCom ports were becoming black holes.  Closing and opening 
fixed the problem but this is not an acceptable solution.

For those of you who are new to PowerSDR and Flex radio,  there are no 
wires between your logging and rotor and contesting programs and the 
radio.  It is done VIRTUALLY inside the computer.  The virtual glue we 
have been using is vCom.  I am recommending an alternative, VSPD, if you 
find yourself having trouble with vCom.

Unfortunately, there is no really usable free alternative I can find. 
Development on all of this was stymied when we were going to move to 
Visual Studio > 2005 and .NET 2.0 but developmental delays have 
prevented this.

I want every SDR-1000 and Flex 5000 to have the best possible experience 
with their radio so I wish to recommend an alternative that is NOT free. 
  You can download it and try it for 14 days and prove to yourself that 
you no longer have drop outs.

http://www.eltima.com/products/vspdxp/
http://www.eltima.com/de/products/vspdxp/

I recommend if you download the trial version,  you unload vCom (this is 
easy) and load this as a replacement for the fourteen days it is free to 
use.  Unlike VAC,  it will not start shouting by me now but will just 
say "it is time for you to purchase" when you try to open the control 
panel.  I have run this product now for two months since it was 
recommended to me by someone here to try.  I believe that was Ken, N9VV, 
but I am uncertain.  If it was Ken, thank you, if it was not Ken, my 
apologies for not writing down who it was.

Here are the things I do know.  I have not had a virtual serial port 
drop out in two months.  I have not had the occasional other problems 
that I believe were associated with vCom.

The product is not cheap.  It is a flat $100.00 for a single copy. If 21 
of you band together, it is $50.00 each.  I can recommend it as 
wonderfully easy to use, as easy as vCom.  The GUI is no more functional 
that vCom but VSPD has more capabilities than vCom which you can find 
out by trying it yourself for a free 14 day trial.

I spent the $100 to make sure it was sound before I recommended it.  I can.



73's
Bob
N4HY

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[Flexradio] FLEX-5000 and PowerSDR Update

[Gerald Youngblood]

 
Hello FLEX-5000 customers,
 
I apologize for missing my update to you yesterday.  I was in the CE lab
(http://www.ptitest.com/wiki/PTI/EMCEMITesting
 ) until 10 PM last evening.
We were able to complete all of the radiated testing for CE where the PC is
part of the system configuration.  We still have to complete the radiated
tests without the PC and for transmission.  This will take a few more days
due to preparation and scheduling time in the lab.  
 
On the big news front, we are preparing to release PowerSDR 1.10 today.  The
new official release incorporates FLEX-5000 support as well a host of
performance and feature upgrades that benefit SDR-1000 owners as well as
FLEX-5000 customers.  Many of you have already been having fun trying out
the latest software on a daily basis using our public SVN server that allows
access to the latest alpha code.  Basically, the SVN allows you to "play in
the sandbox."  If you don't like to play in the sand, just stick with the
official release.
 
Here are only a few of the key new features in PowerSDR 1.10:

1) Full Duplex DSP - simply put, this improves transmit/receive turn around
on CW and digital modes for both the SDR-1000 and FLEX-5000.  On the
FLEX-5000, it enables built in self test and will allow full duplex
satellite operation using external transverters.  Thanks to Frank, AB2KT,
and Bob McGwier, N4HY.

2) 10 Band EQ for Receive and Transmit - This is a much requested
enhancement by the ESSB and AM crowd.  It also benefits those who have
frequency dependant hearing loss.  Enjoy!  Thanks to Frank, AB2KT, and Bob
McGwier, N4HY, and Eric, KE5DTO>

3) Improved Calibration - There are many new improvements here that fell out
of work on the FLEX-5000, which has built in test equipment.  The work on
the 5000 has directly improved calibration routines for the 1000 as well.

4) Enhanced Digital Mode Operation - Many improvements have been added to
make digital mode operation more seamless, including VAC integration, DRM
transmission, and CAT control.  Thanks to Bob, K5KDN.

5) Support for Janus/Ozy Sound Card for SDR-1000 - Thanks to Bill, KD5TFD,
SDR-1000 owners can incorporate the new high performance sound system
distributed by TAPR.

6) Hundreds of other improvements suggested by our customers.  Keep them
coming.

Thanks to all of you alpha/beta testers, without whom we could not build
good code.

Shipments of the FLEX-5000 are proceeding, albeit slower than we would like.
We are having the typical learning curve issues as we ramp our manufacturing
of a new and complex product.  If you recall, I noted in earlier updates
that we expected this to be the case.  We are working with our contract
manufacturer to increase the production flow and are adding people to our
staff to accommodate the volume.

Feedback from customers who have received the FLEX-5000 is very positive and
encouraging.  In fact word seems to be getting out, which is seen in
increasing backlog of orders.  We want to thank all of you who have placed
your trust in FlexRadio.  We intend to honor that trust to the best of our
ability.

73,
Gerald


 
Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR
FlexRadio Systems
Ph: 512-535-4713
Fax: 512-233-5143
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.flex-radio.com  


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Re: [Flexradio] WARNING WARNING WARNING Platform SDK uprade onWindowsXP SP2

[Lee Mushel]

I hate to be the bringer of bad news but I am using Win2KPro on this
computer, next to it,  the machine I call my "work" computer, is running
WinXP and last January when I asked the IT fellow who struggles with the
load at the place I work when he was going to convert to VISTA (I knew he
had only changed from 2K to XP last fall) he said it would be at least two
years.   However, the new CAD programs aren't going to let him relax and
when he talked to me yesterday I was informed that he had just bought
himself a new 64 bit machine so that he had a head start on the conversion
to VISTA  which he has been ordered to complete before the end of the year!!
You know, there are just some things you cannot fight!  I've always found
the Internal Revenue Service,  the Wisconsin Department of Revenue and
Microsoft to be among those---and maybe not in that order!  In my shack I am
running WinME (I can't get rid of it), Win2K and VISTA.

73

Lee  K9WRU
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From: "Ray Andrews, K9DUR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Alan NV8A'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Cc: "'Brad A. Steffler'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] WARNING WARNING WARNING Platform SDK uprade
onWindowsXP SP2


> Alan,
>
> At TRW Automotive, where I recently retired from, they are still running
> Win2K on the production floor with no plans to change.  The new office
> machines are running XP, but not production.
>
> 73, Ray, K9DUR
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Latest Production Update?

[Ray Andrews, K9DUR]

Ken,

That link was to Gerald's message saying that he was going to have to put
off sending the update until Thursday.  I have not seen anything from him
since that time.

As busy as they have been down there, an occasional delay in sending the
update is most certainly understandable, especially considering the reason
Gerald gave for not getting the update out on Wednesday this week.  

Besides, I haven't placed my order yet (but will before Oct 1st), so I am
not anxiously awaiting the weekly updates like some are...hi..hi.

73, Ray, k9DUR



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Re: [Flexradio] Latest Production Update?

[Ken N9VV]

please check the archive. It is easy to search with CTRL-F

Gerald's message on August 15th
http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/msg17749.html

de Ken

Jim Cox wrote:
> Did Gerald send out the latest production update for the 5K this week?
> Jim K4JAF

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Re: [Flexradio] WARNING WARNING WARNING Platform SDK uprade on WindowsXP SP2

[Ray Andrews, K9DUR]

Alan,

At TRW Automotive, where I recently retired from, they are still running
Win2K on the production floor with no plans to change.  The new office
machines are running XP, but not production.

73, Ray, K9DUR



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[Flexradio] Latest Production Update?

[Jim Cox]

Did Gerald send out the latest production update for the 5K this week?
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Re: [Flexradio] WARNING WARNING WARNING Platform SDK uprade on WindowsXP SP2

[Alan NV8A]

On 08/16/07 10:54 pm Brad A. Steffler wrote:

> Three things you can always count on:
> 
> 1. "The check's in the mail."
> 2. "Of course, I'll respect you in the morning."
> 3. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
> 
> Now we can add a fourth one:
> "At Microsoft we do it right - first time every time. Your software 
> freedom is our greatest concern."
> 
> LONG LIVE LINUX (UBUNTU)


A couple days ago I ran into the IT guy for one of the local medical 
centers. He told me they've only just "upgraded" (if that is the 
appropriate term) from Win2K to WinXP. No way they're going to switch to 
Vista any time soon.

73

Alan NV8A

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[Flexradio] signal flow diagrams ?

[a.groff]

Does there exist in the KB Z( I couldn't find any ) a set of block or 
flow diagrams which relate the various  software functions, sliders and 
metering points, etc. It would clarify  for me how the various speech 
processor functions interact, etc. etc.

AL, K0VM

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