[Flexradio] Now this is wierd!

2007-10-18 Thread Jim, W4ATK
I have been chasing some RFI here that appears every 56.746 KHz (Average
from 35 samples) over the entire spectrum from 80M up thru 10M. The source
is still un-identified after weeks of searching. It is there 24 hours a day,
7 days a week and ALWAYS is on the frequency of that rare one!

This morning I found the signal on 5.MHz WWV, just to the high side of
WWV. The wierd thing is that every time WWV clicked off a second, there was
a pulse that ran from WWV down frequency to 4.962812 where it literally
dropped out like it disappeared down a drain. The pulse was about 1KHz wide,
almost flat across the top, similar to a square wave.  The pulse was -90dBm,
30dB above the noise level. WWV is above -60dBm here. My first thought was,
What the H--- was that???

Back to analyzing the interference. It is becoming an obsession

73 Jim, W4ATK


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Re: [Flexradio] Now this is wierd!

2007-10-18 Thread petervn
Jim,
 
You see this on SDR1000 and with no antenna connected 
it maybe the DC/DC convertor
my half of 2 cents ;-)
 
groeten Peter
petervn-at-hetnet-nl  pa0pvn-at-hetnet-nl  pa0pvn-at-amsat-org
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and those who count to 11.
 



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Verzonden: do 18-10-2007 12:52
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I have been chasing some RFI here that appears every 56.746 KHz (Average
from 35 samples) over the entire spectrum from 80M up thru 10M. The source
is still un-identified after weeks of searching. It is there 24 hours a day,
7 days a week and ALWAYS is on the frequency of that rare one!

This morning I found the signal on 5.MHz WWV, just to the high side of
WWV. The wierd thing is that every time WWV clicked off a second, there was
a pulse that ran from WWV down frequency to 4.962812 where it literally
dropped out like it disappeared down a drain. The pulse was about 1KHz wide,
almost flat across the top, similar to a square wave.  The pulse was -90dBm,
30dB above the noise level. WWV is above -60dBm here. My first thought was,
What the H--- was that???

Back to analyzing the interference. It is becoming an obsession

73 Jim, W4ATK


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[Flexradio] Now this is wierd follow up

2007-10-18 Thread Jim, W4ATK
Dang! I wish I could send an attachment thru the reflector. Using Amadeus
Pro, I recorded the signal and then ran it through Amadeus' analytical
utilities. It may be an artifact of the interference I have been chasing, a
short burst that sweeps down frequency until it hits the 9KHz spike (Zero
frequency).

No doubt about it, I AM SNAKEBIT here! It just gets more and more
perplexing...

72s again, Jim



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Re: [Flexradio] 1.10.3 RTTY confusion

2007-10-18 Thread Larry Loen
As of right now, I am thoroughly broken on RTTY.  I think it is because 
we implemented some fixes to make RTTY contesters happy.

1.10.2 worked fairly well, but actually was partly broken for PSK.  I 
didn't run it long enough to sort it all out, but I could make it work 
without too much fuss.

The main issue for me is that I'm happy, more or less, with MixW, but 
for normal (non-contest) operation, I have to do a couple of strange 
things (always have) to make it work.

The thing is, MixW is not very smart about offsets (this is true, so far 
as I could ever tell, for both MixW 2.16 and the current 2.18).  If you 
use the standard RTTY AFSK offsets and then switch to CW, it doesn't 
appear to remember it should have different offsets for different modes 
and uses the AFSK ones for CW.  I think this is a bug, but there you go, 
its the world of closed source.  A 2K offset for CW is totally hosed. 
One quickly tires of going into MixW to manually fix things, which as a 
practical matter simply must be done to do click-tuning or anything 
else, really.  So, for the sometime RTTY user, force-fitting the AFSK 
offset to agree with your CW listening offset is a pragmatic solution. 
It's how I get by.  (Long time readers might remember I've discussed 
this before and even advocated it for others).

And, as well, for ordinary DX chasing, it is convenient (even if 
nonstandard) to use USB rather than LSB because both the SDR panadapter 
and the MixW waterfall work much more sensibly for listening up.

So far, so normal, more or less.  To recap, I have Mix W set up for a 
mark/space offset of 400.  I have it using USB (logically inverted, 
but it is explicitly USB as far as MixW is concerned and MixW seems to 
do the inversion for you if you set it that way -- you can set 
inverted separately for anyone who really is running USB).

I've been able to run it that way since PowerSDR 1.3.something or other.

With 1.10.3, it appears that our various fixes for RTTY contesters has 
broken me so thoroughly, I'm not totally sure I can explain it.

What it appears to be is that _even in DIGU_, I get a fixed, negative, 
standard AFSK offset.  Changing the click/tune offset does nothing.  I 
can't find any other control for this.

This just totall hoses MixW.  When I change from USB to DIGU, the 
transmitter frequency of the SDR does not change.  HOWEVER, MixW seems 
to be told by PowerSDR that the frequency is something other than it is 
(about 2K lower, apparently the standard AFSK offsets) and, worse, it 
actually seems to be listening there.  The MixW waterfall and the SDR 
panadapter are totally mismatched.  So, it's not like they disagree 
about what to call the frequency.  MixW really appears to be somewhere 
else.  I can't listen to what I should be.

It's early morning as I type this and I was trying to follow a ZL7 
pileup, so not much else on.  But, as far as I can make out, that's 
what's actually happening.

Worse, I can't simply back up to 1.10.2 because I upgraded firmware.  I 
don't know if going back is a good idea and I don't know what level to 
download myself to do so (remember that chart I asked for?  Having the 
code paternalistically tell me isn't a perfect solution after all -- and 
having the download have a name like current isn't keen either for 
going back).  At the moment, I have no plans to go back.

I can make it all work, as an SWL maybe, like it used to simply by 
being in USB.  But, the whole point of DIGx was to not have compression 
et. al. operational for transmit.

I didn't submit this as a bugfix, because I have a feeling the answer is 
working as designed except maybe for the fixed negative offset in DIGU.

But, I'm not sure this is the right offset for PSK or other digital 
modes either.  The click/tune had a compromise of sorts by having a 
different value for upper and lower.  But that covers _maybe_ two modes 
and only applies to click-tune from the SDR itself and not to operations 
from 3rd party software.

It looks to me like you need a digital offset right next to (or, 
probably, in place of) the click/tune offset, which affects none of this 
(probably shouldn't).  It probably needs to be a drop down with values 
for known modes that can also be set manually, like the parallel port 
address setting for SDR 1000 was.

Another option would be to have a RTTY profile for USB that did what 
DIGU/DIGL is intended to do, but runs the offsets naked without any 
attempt to be smart about correcting to mark/space.

Or, perhaps, we need to think hard about giving up on the possibly false 
ideal of using mark for the apparent frequency to start with (it's 
potentially a false ideal if you need a different offset for each mode).

I'm not sure what to do.  All I know is that for the moment, I'm 
basically not running RTTY with my new rig.



Larry Wo0Z

PS, now that I think about it, maybe we should use the transmitter 
profile as the overall solution.  We could have the ones we now have for 

Re: [Flexradio] Now this is wierd follow up

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Ellison
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:16 AM
To: Flex-Radio Reflector
Subject: [Flexradio] Now this is wierd follow up

Dang! I wish I could send an attachment thru the reflector. Using
Amadeus Pro, I recorded the signal and then ran it through Amadeus'
analytical utilities. It may be an artifact of the interference I have
been chasing, a short burst that sweeps down frequency until it hits the
9KHz spike (Zero frequency).

No doubt about it, I AM SNAKEBIT here! It just gets more and more
perplexing...

72s again, Jim



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Re: [Flexradio] 1.10.3 RTTY confusion

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Ellison
Larry,

Open the Setup menu on PowerSDR.  Go to CAT control.   Click on the box
that says  DigiU/L returns LSB/USB.  This undoes the RTTY digi mode
fix.

And while I am on the subject, a real implementation of FSK and FSK-R is
desperately needed in addition to the ASFK (USB/LSB) digital modes is
needed to dispel this on going confusion regarding just about every
digital mode and RTTY (the odd man out, IMHO).



-Tim

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Loen
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:20 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 1.10.3 RTTY confusion

As of right now, I am thoroughly broken on RTTY.  I think it is because
we implemented some fixes to make RTTY contesters happy.

1.10.2 worked fairly well, but actually was partly broken for PSK.  I
didn't run it long enough to sort it all out, but I could make it work
without too much fuss.

The main issue for me is that I'm happy, more or less, with MixW, but
for normal (non-contest) operation, I have to do a couple of strange
things (always have) to make it work.

The thing is, MixW is not very smart about offsets (this is true, so far
as I could ever tell, for both MixW 2.16 and the current 2.18).  If you
use the standard RTTY AFSK offsets and then switch to CW, it doesn't
appear to remember it should have different offsets for different modes
and uses the AFSK ones for CW.  I think this is a bug, but there you go,
its the world of closed source.  A 2K offset for CW is totally hosed. 
One quickly tires of going into MixW to manually fix things, which as a
practical matter simply must be done to do click-tuning or anything
else, really.  So, for the sometime RTTY user, force-fitting the AFSK
offset to agree with your CW listening offset is a pragmatic solution. 
It's how I get by.  (Long time readers might remember I've discussed
this before and even advocated it for others).

And, as well, for ordinary DX chasing, it is convenient (even if
nonstandard) to use USB rather than LSB because both the SDR panadapter
and the MixW waterfall work much more sensibly for listening up.

So far, so normal, more or less.  To recap, I have Mix W set up for a
mark/space offset of 400.  I have it using USB (logically inverted,
but it is explicitly USB as far as MixW is concerned and MixW seems to
do the inversion for you if you set it that way -- you can set
inverted separately for anyone who really is running USB).

I've been able to run it that way since PowerSDR 1.3.something or other.

With 1.10.3, it appears that our various fixes for RTTY contesters has
broken me so thoroughly, I'm not totally sure I can explain it.

What it appears to be is that _even in DIGU_, I get a fixed, negative,
standard AFSK offset.  Changing the click/tune offset does nothing.  I
can't find any other control for this.

This just totall hoses MixW.  When I change from USB to DIGU, the
transmitter frequency of the SDR does not change.  HOWEVER, MixW seems
to be told by PowerSDR that the frequency is something other than it is
(about 2K lower, apparently the standard AFSK offsets) and, worse, it
actually seems to be listening there.  The MixW waterfall and the SDR
panadapter are totally mismatched.  So, it's not like they disagree
about what to call the frequency.  MixW really appears to be somewhere
else.  I can't listen to what I should be.

It's early morning as I type this and I was trying to follow a ZL7
pileup, so not much else on.  But, as far as I can make out, that's
what's actually happening.

Worse, I can't simply back up to 1.10.2 because I upgraded firmware.  I
don't know if going back is a good idea and I don't know what level to
download myself to do so (remember that chart I asked for?  Having the
code paternalistically tell me isn't a perfect solution after all -- and
having the download have a name like current isn't keen either for
going back).  At the moment, I have no plans to go back.

I can make it all work, as an SWL maybe, like it used to simply by
being in USB.  But, the whole point of DIGx was to not have compression
et. al. operational for transmit.

I didn't submit this as a bugfix, because I have a feeling the answer is
working as designed except maybe for the fixed negative offset in
DIGU.

But, I'm not sure this is the right offset for PSK or other digital
modes either.  The click/tune had a compromise of sorts by having a
different value for upper and lower.  But that covers _maybe_ two modes
and only applies to click-tune from the SDR itself and not to operations
from 3rd party software.

It looks to me like you need a digital offset right next to (or,
probably, in place of) the click/tune offset, which affects none of this
(probably shouldn't).  It probably needs to be a drop down with values
for known modes that can also be set manually, like the parallel port
address setting for SDR 1000 was.

Another option would be to have a RTTY profile for USB that did what
DIGU/DIGL is 

Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

2007-10-18 Thread Jimmy Jones

Not to mention Mike that Enforcement of this plan would be a nightmare. 
The ARRL and their plan are a joke.
What's wrong with the plan that we have?
I roll around the bands and don't even hear that many stations on the
air from 10 meters to 160 meters yet we always have a bunch of want to
be cops trying to change things solely for the sake of change.
Did I mention I love my flex?
Mike, you're pissing in the wind trying to explain this to the ear bleed
ARRL bunch. Good Luck trying.
They will never get it.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of W5CUL
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:53 PM
To: 'Maarten'; 'FlexRadio Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

Particularly when well EQ'd, the fidelity and intelligibility is greatly
increased even at a 40Hz to 3.5Khz transmit band-pass.  One does not
have to
second guess what is being said by the other station, as at that
band-pass
it is starting to sound like they are right in your shack sitting next
to
you while conversing.  

Being unsociable is either knowingly transmitting into someone else's
band-pass, or transmitting a broad signal in crowded conditions, both of
which says a lot about the individual operator as opposed to the
bandwidth
he is currently occupying.  Remember, this operator is on a Flex, and
can
easily adjust their transmit bandwidth on the fly.

73,

Mike
W5CUL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:02 PM
To: FlexRadio Reflector
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008

What is wrong with 2.7kHz bandwith on SSB? Why would anyone need more
for 
SSB communication?
The panadapter shows how excessively wide some hame signals are. Not an 
effecient or social way of communicating.

73 Maarten N1DZ

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From: K6JEK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FlexRadio Reflector FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Bandplan effective Jan 2008


 That band plan is a really awful thing.   Why have a Flex Radio?  The
 plan calls for 2.7 kHz SSB bandwidth and 6 kHz AM (and not much of
 that).  You sure don't need a Flex radio to do that.

 Perhaps we can derail this thing.

 Jon

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:35 PM, KQ8RP wrote:

 Sure glad I own a SDR!!

 http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=STf=3t=171194


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Re: [Flexradio] Now this is wierd follow up

2007-10-18 Thread petervn
Put in on a homepage and send link
trough the reflector
73
 
groeten Peter
petervn-at-hetnet-nl  pa0pvn-at-hetnet-nl  pa0pvn-at-amsat-org
only large files:pa0pvn-at-gmail-com
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and those who count to 11.
 



Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Jim, W4ATK
Verzonden: do 18-10-2007 13:16
Aan: Flex-Radio Reflector
Onderwerp: [Flexradio] Now this is wierd follow up



Dang! I wish I could send an attachment thru the reflector. Using Amadeus
Pro, I recorded the signal and then ran it through Amadeus' analytical
utilities. It may be an artifact of the interference I have been chasing, a
short burst that sweeps down frequency until it hits the 9KHz spike (Zero
frequency).

No doubt about it, I AM SNAKEBIT here! It just gets more and more
perplexing...

72s again, Jim



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[Flexradio] antenna switching question

2007-10-18 Thread FireBrick
I operate the Antenna Selection is 'Expert' mode
This way it switches my antennas automatically from antenna port 1 (HF 
Yagi/Dipoles) to antenna port 3 (6meter Halo) when I select bands from the 
PWSDR Mode buttons.

But what I am seeing is:
I set the Antenna Selector to enable the TX1 switch to key my amplifier when 
in HF modes.
If I then go to 6 meter it turns off those Switch Relay boxes (clears the 
check mark-disables)

But when I return to HF from 6 meters, it does not re-enable the relay 
TX1-3.
(I'm presently operating 6 barefoot till I get the Quadra working 
automatically and I'd rather not just be tripping the Quadra relay even 
though no signal is being routed through it.)

Antenna selector is in Expert mode
ATU is in Semi-Automatic
SVN 1668

pse and tu



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[Flexradio] Keymap Definitions

2007-10-18 Thread Jim Cox
I notice on the keymap.pdf for the keyboard functions for PowerSDR that F1 - F5 
are for cw memories 1 - 5.  Is this function supposed to send memory contents.  
 I cant seem to get it to work.   Jim K4JAF

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Re: [Flexradio] Now this is wierd!

2007-10-18 Thread Guido
On 10/18/07, Jim, W4ATK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been chasing some RFI here that appears every 56.746 KHz (Average
 from 35 samples) over the entire spectrum from 80M up thru 10M. The source
 is still un-identified after weeks of searching. It is there 24 hours a
 day,
 7 days a week and ALWAYS is on the frequency of that rare one!


If you use a screen resolution of 1024x768 and a refresh-rate of 70Hz, then
it is very obvious that these are harmonics of the Horizontal sync for your
display. In that case, the source may be your Graphics Adapter, Cable,
Monitor.

Hope this helps.
73, Guido
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[Flexradio] Flex 5000A and amp relay out question

2007-10-18 Thread Dave WO2X
Hi All,

Received my 5K today and got it almost 100% on the air. 

Question on the amp out relays...

Are these dry closure outputs? Measuring with an Ohm meter shows about 4k Ohm 
resistance during rx and tx.
I want to control my SB-220 amp.

Also box was dinged pretty bad in shipping and radio does not sit on desk on 
all four feet. Sits on right front and left rear and you can rock radio back 
and forth. Damn UPS.

Thanks,
Dave WO2X
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[Flexradio] I need help .... please try this.

2007-10-18 Thread jcharley
I need your assistance.
I noticed what I think is a problem with my 1 yr old SDR 1000
that I never noticed before.  It was actually brought to my attention by 
another ham.

I hear a continuous tone off my main frequency (displaced equivalent of my 
sidetone).
I have sent the rig back to the mothership and they can find nothing wrong.
Since this also happens with my Presonus unplugged from the SDR, 
it must be coming from the SDR unit itself.  Also happens w/ Delta 44 snd card.
(Don't do the test w/ the snd card unplugged from unit.)

It is easiest to hear if I do the following:

Try this with your SDR 1000 or SDR 5000 (to see if any difference).
PowerSDR version 1.10.1 or later.
Set SDR in CWL or CWU
Set break in delay to 5000 msec
Connect SDR to dummy load
Tune your signal in on a 2nd separate RCVR.
Set your power on SDR now to Zero. 
Send a dit on the SDR.
I hear a tone that remains on for as long as my breakin delay is set for?
In this case for 5 sec after the dit stops.
It actually moves the needle on  my SWR meter (not the SDR meter).

In a conversation w/ the good folks in Austin, they suggested that I ask if 
anybody
else experiences the same thing.  So I am.

Let me know what you get.  Thanks.

73/Crit/K4BXN

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