Re: [Flexradio] VHF / UHF

[Robert Logan]

I would be very interested in that.  Or perhaps a Flex line of high-performance 
transverters.  If Flex can keep it's development team refreshed with one foot 
on the ground, they could do it and have a market for them. Bob, NZ5A

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On May 21, 2012, at 9:40 PM, Tim Ellison  wrote:

A chance?  Anything is possible ;-)

Tim Ellison

On 5/21/2012 4:26 PM, Craig Gagner wrote:
> What the chance of Flex developing a VHF / UHF stand alone rig ?? It would
> appeal to a lot of folks especially the Satellite crowd not to mention the
> Tech's. I know a used Icom 910H which is discontinued go for around
> $1300.00.
> 
> 
> 
> I would rather have a stand alone rig than add it to my 5000.
> 
> 
> 
> Craig
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[Flexradio] Standalone ethernet communications for 6000 radios

[Jerry Flanders]

Will the 6000 radios operate by plugging one end of an ethernet cable 
into the radio and the other end into a computer - that is, just the 
radio, the cable, and the computer - with no switches or routers?


Jerry W4UK


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Re: [Flexradio] Ongoing support for PowerSDR?

[Tim Ellison, W4TME]

ABSOLUTELY we plan on improving, releasing and supporting PowerSDR.

The FLEX-6000 and SmartSDR do not replace the existing Firewire and USB 
software defined radios that run on PowerSDR.  They represent a higher 
class of ultra-high performance SDRs, filling out our product offerings.


The FLEX-1500, FLEX-3000 and FLEX-5000 all represent very high 
performance radios that occupy a particular price point in the amateur 
radio market which provides great value and we have no plans to 
discontinue their manufacturer and distribution.  We will continue to 
develop and fully support PowerSDR for the foreseeable future as these 
are viable options for hams that want to enjoy the numerous benefits of 
SDRs, but may not be able to invest in the high-end FLEX-6000.


We have PowerSDR v2.4.0 in development and hope to release it to our 
internal beta tester team in the near future.


Tim Ellison, W4TME
Product Management, Sales & Support
FlexRadio Systems^(TM)
4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150
Austin, TX 78728
Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223
Email: t...@flexradio.com 
Web: www.flexradio.com 

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On 5/21/2012 10:40 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
Can we expect to see improvements in the PowerSDR software in the 
future, now that the 6xxx series has been announced?


I'd hate to think that my 1500, less than one year old, has reached 
the end of its evolution.


Not that it isn't very good as things stand today.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

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[Flexradio] Ongoing support for PowerSDR?

[Jim Lowman]

Can we expect to see improvements in the PowerSDR software in the 
future, now that the 6xxx series has been announced?


I'd hate to think that my 1500, less than one year old, has reached the 
end of its evolution.


Not that it isn't very good as things stand today.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

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Re: [Flexradio] VHF / UHF

[Tim Ellison]

A chance?  Anything is possible ;-)

Tim Ellison

On 5/21/2012 4:26 PM, Craig Gagner wrote:

What the chance of Flex developing a VHF / UHF stand alone rig ?? It would
appeal to a lot of folks especially the Satellite crowd not to mention the
Tech's. I know a used Icom 910H which is discontinued go for around
$1300.00.



I would rather have a stand alone rig than add it to my 5000.



Craig

W1MSG

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[Flexradio] VHF / UHF

[Craig Gagner]

What the chance of Flex developing a VHF / UHF stand alone rig ?? It would
appeal to a lot of folks especially the Satellite crowd not to mention the
Tech's. I know a used Icom 910H which is discontinued go for around
$1300.00.

 

I would rather have a stand alone rig than add it to my 5000.

 

Craig

W1MSG

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Re: [Flexradio] USB Parallel Port Question

[AI4HH-Ron]

I just completed and have working an internet remote base station of a 
Flex-5000A and IC-706MKIIG with AC PS, DC radio power and antenna switching 
using a USB Relay controller kit from DIY Electronics. Kit was about $25 and it 
worked with Win 7(32) Dell laptop. http://electronics-diy.com/USB_IO_Board.php 
Their software program is OK and does the job but is limited. I would like to 
change the switch names. There are a number of commercial USB relay 
controllers, but are much more $$ and I had the relay circuit built and 
working. I started with an old Win 98S PC with a parallel port, but was 
interested in having the controls in my main radio PC. I also considered the 
“Converter from USB to Parallel”, see 
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/index.html.en
 but did not get the software working on Win 7(32) OS. Another option, I 
considered a serial port IO port relay board by Karl Electronics kit, see 
http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/elec/ck1610.htm. Since, I had the 
relay circuits built, I used the DIY Electronic kit. instead. They all stated 
that the USB to parallel adapters work with a printer but not as relay 
controllers. 

Good Luck 

Ron
AI4HH
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Re: [Flexradio] Something to consider?

[Robert Costa, KB6QXM]

I do not know if this is a good suggestion, but considering how much traffic 
occurs for each specific radio, why not have a yahoo group specific to that 
platform.

I think that the enthusiasm is great for the new platforms, but issues and 
concerns about our 1500,3000 and 5000a radios are getting BURIED in all of this 
hype.

My two cents, for what it is worth.

73,
Robert
KB6QXM
"Ham Radio Open Conversation"
Yahoo group owner/moderator


- Reply message -
From: "Bob Kay" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] Something to consider?
Date: Mon, May 21, 2012 8:59 am


While all this news about the Flex’s new radios is welcomed news, it’s
dominating the reflector. Might this topic be better served by moving it to
the FlexEdge reflector, for what the news really is?

It makes it much easier for anyone who while might be exited, has no
immediate plans for upgrading.

-- 
*Best 73 de WA2SQQ
Elmwood Park, NJ

"The only dumb questions are those we don't ask"*
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Re: [Flexradio] Something to consider?

[icstars]

Mabe a trip to the Flex Website would answer most of the questions. The new 
Series 6000 Flex has a good detailed description of all it has to 
offer.. 



Just my opinion, 



Owen 


I agree, thank you for the suggestion. 
Emory WM3M 

Subject: [Flexradio] Something to consider? 

While all this news about the Flex’s new radios is welcomed news, it’s 
dominating the reflector. Might this topic be better served by moving it to 
the FlexEdge reflector, for what the news really is? 

It makes it much easier for anyone who while might be exited, has no 
immediate plans for upgrading. 

-- 
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Elmwood Park, NJ 

"The only dumb questions are those we don't ask"* 
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Re: [Flexradio] Is the 6700 full duplex

[Ross Stenberg]

Dolby Surround 7.1


Will there be easy shortcuts to manage audio routing to any of the audio

outputs (spkr, either side of the phones or both and if i have 6
panadapters showing how does one select which two are providing the audio?



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Re: [Flexradio] Something to consider?

[WM3M]

I agree, thank you for the suggestion.
Emory WM3M

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Kay

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:59 AM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Something to consider?

While all this news about the Flex’s new radios is welcomed news, it’s
dominating the reflector. Might this topic be better served by moving it to
the FlexEdge reflector, for what the news really is?

It makes it much easier for anyone who while might be exited, has no
immediate plans for upgrading.

--
*Best 73 de WA2SQQ
Elmwood Park, NJ

"The only dumb questions are those we don't ask"*
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 and RBN - TX starting slowly.

[Ray, K9DUR]

Mike,

Yes, I have seen that before.  It has been a while ago, so my memory is a
little fuzzy about the exact issue.  

However, I believe that if you have break-in enabled (Setup form DSP|Keyer
tab), the problem is an interaction between the CW speed & the break-in
delay setting.  Try increasing speed or changing the break-in delay (either
longer or shorter).

If the break-in delay expires just as the next character is ready to be
sent, the transceiver is already starting to transition from TX to RX.  It
then has to complete that transition & go back to TX, thereby chopping the
next dit or dah.  Note that your problem seemed always to occur at a break
between words.  The default break-in delay setting is 300ms.  I haven't done
the math, but I would guess that at 24 wpm the gap between words (7
dit-lengths) is about 300ms.

73, Ray, K9DUR
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Re: [Flexradio] Something to consider?

[Hulen Smith]

Much like when the 5000 was announced. I agree Bob, seems like there should be 
a more specify area to inquire about up coming Flex products. 

Hulen



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On May 21, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Bob Kay  wrote:

> While all this news about the Flex’s new radios is welcomed news, it’s
> dominating the reflector. Might this topic be better served by moving it to
> the FlexEdge reflector, for what the news really is?
> 
> It makes it much easier for anyone who while might be exited, has no
> immediate plans for upgrading.
> 
> -- 
> *Best 73 de WA2SQQ
> Elmwood Park, NJ
> 
> "The only dumb questions are those we don't ask"*
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[Flexradio] Something to consider?

[Bob Kay]

While all this news about the Flex’s new radios is welcomed news, it’s
dominating the reflector. Might this topic be better served by moving it to
the FlexEdge reflector, for what the news really is?

It makes it much easier for anyone who while might be exited, has no
immediate plans for upgrading.

-- 
*Best 73 de WA2SQQ
Elmwood Park, NJ

"The only dumb questions are those we don't ask"*
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Re: [Flexradio] the cost

[Gerald Youngblood]

David,

FlexRadio has *no *exclusive dealer agreements within the EU.  In fact, in
your country we sell through both of the UK's largest ham radio dealers,
ML&S and W&S.  They both do a very good job for us.  You are also free to
buy from dealers in other countries within the EU.
http://www.flexradio.com/About.aspx?topic=intldist  Many countries within
the EU have laws that are more onerous than those of Germany for direct
sales so we sell only through dealers in those countries so that they take
responsibility for legal compliance.

Regards,
Gerald

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On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, David Painter
wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se.
> (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it
> stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex has in Europe and
> their lack of clout with their dealer network who lock them into exclusive
> agreements so that they (the Dealers) can extort higher prices from their
> customers.
>
> If you look on the Flex site under On Line Store you will see that hams in
> Germany can obtain Flex eqpt direct from the US without restriction and
> they are, most decidedly, part of the EU.
>
> Its called 'restraint of trade' and is something the UK/EU has suffered
> from for years.
>
> Enjoy your new radio.
>
> David - G4PNX
>
>
> ---
>
> BTW, if you don't like the prices over there, complain to your government.
> I think that Flex would happily sell you one directly if they could but ...
>
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Matthew Robinson]

On 21/05/2012, at 9:45 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Matthew Robinson  wrote:
> 
> My vote would be for a portable C/C++ library that talks to the radio which 
> can then be used to make native interfaces on all platforms.
> 
> What goes over the wire, i.e. protocol spec, is the key. In fact, it should 
> probably be written in the form of an RFC and floated before the IETF to be 
> tracked as an Internet standard. After all, we are seeing more and more 
> convergence of wireless and Internet.

I agree, access to the specification of the wire protocol would be the best 
outcome.  My reasoning for a C library is that if the protocol was not released 
it would be possible for Flex to release binary C libraries for various 
platforms (Windows, Linux, BSD, OS X etc) that could then be used to build 
native applications on those platforms.   I'm thinking of binary only graphics 
drivers on Linux, certainly not preferable but better than nothing.

I would prefer open protocols and an open source C reference implementation but 
if that were not possible I'd prefer cross platform binary only libraries over 
nothing.  I'd also prefer a C library over a set of Java classes.

> If the interfaces are published (another vote from me) such a library could 
> be written collaboratively.
> 
> What I fear is that interface standards can sometimes trump protocol 
> standards, to everyone's detriment. The wire protocol should be standardized 
> while the applications programming interface is optimized for the environment 
> in which it will run. *Maybe* you can come up with one universal interface 
> library but that may not be possible. (I'm thinking Erlang and Scheme might 
> want something different. :-) But the wire protocol is absolute.

My reasoning for a C library is that a large number of languages would be able 
to wrap a C library and be usable natively in that language.  I believe Erlang 
can do this, not sure about Scheme.  Certainly languages like C#, Objective-C, 
Python, perl, ruby etc can use external C libraries.

> But that is no matter. If Flex publishes the protocols then the hackers can 
> decide by producing code. Want a client in Python? Write one in Python. Want 
> a client in Java? Write one in Java. Want a client in IBM-360 BAL? Write one 
> in IBM-360 BAL. Whatever floats your boat. Arguing about it is silly. Voting 
> is silly. The only two things matter:
> a standardized protocol on the wire;
> running code.

Hopefully, I've made my reasoning a bit clearer,


Matt
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Ed Haskell]

Neal, you are right about FRS probably being up to their noses with work
right now and your suggestion that someone else might draft things is a
great idea. Here is a link to an RFC that illustrates what a work product
might look like at one stage of its development:
http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1377.html

Brian, thank you for volunteering. I think FRS has demonstrated in spades
their commitment to the kind of openness promoted by an RFC and you have
demonstrated with your 'work' on this list (not to mention your
professional background) that you can put this together to the benefit of
FRS and all its users.

Ed Haskell W1PN

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Neal Campbell  wrote:
>
> > I understand all that but this is a very very small company (I bet they
> > take turns sweeping the floors) and this is 2 radios.  If this was IBM or
> > HP, I could see how the manpower required for this might blend in with
> the
> > overhead of doing business but not with Flex right now.
> >
>
> When I worked on PPP it was just me and about 5 other guys with an idea.
> There was no company behind it at all ... at first. The companies that got
> behind it and participated were typically 2-3 person software development
> teams working by themselves. It is amazing what happens when you have
> really smart people sharing ideas.
>
>
> > Maybe a volunteer might be willing to do the document after everything is
> > established, let Flex be a reviewer not have to create the document per
> se.
> >
>
> Sure, why not. I volunteer.
>
> Just remember:
>
> RFC = Request for Comments
>
> RFC <> Requirement for Compliance
>
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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Is the 6700 full duplex

[Tim Ellison]

This is all TBD, as we are still developing the SmartSDR software.

Tim Ellison

On 5/21/2012 10:44 AM, Greg wrote:

Will there be easy shortcuts to manage audio routing to any of the audio
outputs (spkr, either side of the phones or both and if i have 6
panadapters showing how does one select which two are providing the audio?

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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Is the 6700 full duplex

[Tim Ellison]

Yes.

Tim Ellison

On 5/21/2012 10:44 AM, Greg wrote:

Will the new radios be full duplex to accommodate so2r?

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[Flexradio] Is the 6700 full duplex

[Greg]

Will the new radios be full duplex to accommodate so2r?

Will there be easy shortcuts to manage audio routing to any of the audio
outputs (spkr, either side of the phones or both and if i have 6
panadapters showing how does one select which two are providing the audio?

Thanks
Greg
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Brian Lloyd]

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Neal Campbell  wrote:

> I understand all that but this is a very very small company (I bet they
> take turns sweeping the floors) and this is 2 radios.  If this was IBM or
> HP, I could see how the manpower required for this might blend in with the
> overhead of doing business but not with Flex right now.
>

When I worked on PPP it was just me and about 5 other guys with an idea.
There was no company behind it at all ... at first. The companies that got
behind it and participated were typically 2-3 person software development
teams working by themselves. It is amazing what happens when you have
really smart people sharing ideas.


> Maybe a volunteer might be willing to do the document after everything is
> established, let Flex be a reviewer not have to create the document per se.
>

Sure, why not. I volunteer.

Just remember:

RFC = Request for Comments

RFC <> Requirement for Compliance


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 and RBN - TX starting slowly.

[Rich - W3ZJ]

Mike,

I have not tried the internal keyer with my Flex-3000, I use an external 
Winkeyer USB. I have found that in order to get smooth CW the Firewire 
buffer (PowerSDR, Setup->Audio Tab->Primary Tab) cannot be any larger 
than 512 bytes. The smaller you can make that buffer, the less latency 
you will have. I find that I can run with that buffer set at 256 bytes 
but at 128 bytes I can't use MultiRX. You may also need to play with the 
sample rate, mine is set at 96000. Note that your PC and the quality of 
your Firewire adapter will have an influence over how small you can make 
that buffer before you start having problems.


73, Rich - W3ZJ

Michael Walker wrote:

All

I was doing some testing with the reverse beacon network last night on the
Flex 5000.  This after the great forum on RBN during Dayton and learning
what the skimmers and the RBN can do to help with your antennas and
propogation.

I was sending CQ CQ CQ VA3MW VA3MW VA3MW TEST K.  I was actually using the
computer keyer in PSDR and running at 24 wpm.

The CW Skimmers (all of them) were copying me as either

UA3MW or AA3MW.

I could see a lag in transmitter startup on the first DIT, but this wasn't
the case.  It was mid 'string' stream.

Has anyone seen this before?  It seems like the V, which is the only new
word starting with a DIT was not starting cleanly.

Mike va3mw
  

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex 6500 versus 6700

[Eric Wachsmann]

Note that the 6700 actually does transmit on 2m at low power.


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems

On Monday, May 21, 2012, wrote:

> I am glad to see the new Flex 6000 series.I received my Flex 5000A in
> 2007.It still works fine and probably will for a few more years.After
> looking at the specs for the 6000 series I wondered how it would improve my
> operating experience, which is already fantastic with the existing Flex
> model and software.I realize it is time for some needed rethinking after
> the 5000.I am glad to see the Firewire disappear.I had to search several
> computer stores in Chicago last year to find a computer with a Firewire
> card installed.I finally found a refurbished HP which was the last one
> available with Firewire.(See postscript below.) I had a Dell laptop with a
> four-pin Firewire socket, but it kept crashing with PSDR.Ethernet will be
> around for a long time, and almost every PC or laptop has Ethernet
> now.Other rigs are still using RS-232 ports, which I remember from the
> 1980s.It is good to see USB ports on the 6000s.I like the move to the
> Anderson Powerpole DC input.I standardized on the Anderson system years
> ago. The size and being able to plug into Ethernet will make the 6000
> series a good option for travel.In the literature for the 6000 series I see
> no provision for a VHF/UHF board like on the 5000.The 6700 apparently will
> receive but not transmit on 2 meters and not receive or transmit at all on
> 70cm, so 2 meter and 70cm operation and satellite work are out.I don’t know
> why they bothered to put in receive-only capability for two meters on the
> 6700.I will keep my 5000 and maybe add the VU5K board someday.In Kenya,
> where I live now, there is almost no two meter activity.We don’t even have
> six meters here.With the 6000 series no RX2 is available, but then with the
> slice receivers none is needed.The auto tuner is included.I simply can’t
> afford $7000 for the 6700.Anyhow, for my purposes, I don’t see the
> advantages of the 6700 over the 6500 being worth the $3000 premium.It may
> be worth it for contesting stations where networking among several
> transceivers and multiple slice receivers are desirable.I only work as a
> single op. I don’t think I can handle more than four slice receivers.For
> me, the 6500 is a better option.It has most of the features of the 6700 but
> does not include some that I really don’t want anyhow.It is a good way to
> get into the next generation of software defined radios and be with
> FlexRadio as it pulls away in its lead over other manufacturers.73,Sig
> 5Z4EEP.S.,I wanted the HP for non-PSDR use and as a backup for my regular
> PSDR computers from Neal Campbell, K3NC.I think many problems experienced
> by new PSDR users could be avoided by getting a computer from Neal from the
> outset.Neal makes sure every computer he sends out is tested with PSDR and
> includes other software popular with PSDR users.I wish Neal had been in
> business when I started with Flex transceivers and PSDR.
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Neal Campbell]

I understand all that but this is a very very small company (I bet they take 
turns sweeping the floors) and this is 2 radios.  If this was IBM or HP, I 
could see how the manpower required for this might blend in with the overhead 
of doing business but not with Flex right now.

Maybe a volunteer might be willing to do the document after everything is 
established, let Flex be a reviewer not have to create the document per se.

73
Neal
On May 21, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Neal Campbell  wrote:
> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> I know your love of standards is sometimes hard to contain but this is not
>> a time for standards, merely a published protocol. Why would Flex want a
>> committee sitting on top of a protocol that only talks to their equipment?
>> 
> 
> Every protocol that the Internet runs on started out as an idea. People
> hacked together a protocol, wrote some code, and tried it out. They also
> described their protocol in a document called a Request for Comments (RFC).
> The idea is to tell others what they did and how they did it, requesting
> feedback on how others think it might work better, i.e. a REQUEST for
> COMMENTS.
> 
> So, an RFC is NOT a standard. It is a description of how something is
> currently being done. It is precisely what we are talking about doing. The
> content of an RFC may change many times before everyone (rough consensus)
> agrees that it has become stable and static enough to become a standard.
> The idea that you write an RFC and that immediately becomes a standard is
> not how the IETF works. Rough consensus and running code is the key to an
> *eventual* Internet standard.
> 
> So, by describing how it is done, you get others working on similar things
> to work with you on something that might interoperate. Flex is well out in
> front of other manufacturers that it is no skin off Flex's nose to do this.
> But it clearly says that they are open to working with others on this.
> 
> "No plan of battle ever survives contact with the enemy," is certainly
> apropos here. The protocol will change as we learn what works and what
> doesn't. Still, that doesn't mean we can't write it down and use it as
> reference while we work.
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Brian Lloyd]

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Neal Campbell  wrote:

> Brian
>
> I know your love of standards is sometimes hard to contain but this is not
> a time for standards, merely a published protocol. Why would Flex want a
> committee sitting on top of a protocol that only talks to their equipment?
>

Every protocol that the Internet runs on started out as an idea. People
hacked together a protocol, wrote some code, and tried it out. They also
described their protocol in a document called a Request for Comments (RFC).
The idea is to tell others what they did and how they did it, requesting
feedback on how others think it might work better, i.e. a REQUEST for
COMMENTS.

So, an RFC is NOT a standard. It is a description of how something is
currently being done. It is precisely what we are talking about doing. The
content of an RFC may change many times before everyone (rough consensus)
agrees that it has become stable and static enough to become a standard.
The idea that you write an RFC and that immediately becomes a standard is
not how the IETF works. Rough consensus and running code is the key to an
*eventual* Internet standard.

So, by describing how it is done, you get others working on similar things
to work with you on something that might interoperate. Flex is well out in
front of other manufacturers that it is no skin off Flex's nose to do this.
But it clearly says that they are open to working with others on this.

"No plan of battle ever survives contact with the enemy," is certainly
apropos here. The protocol will change as we learn what works and what
doesn't. Still, that doesn't mean we can't write it down and use it as
reference while we work.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Neal Campbell]

Brian

I know your love of standards is sometimes hard to contain but this is not a 
time for standards, merely a published protocol. Why would Flex want a 
committee sitting on top of a protocol that only talks to their equipment?

73


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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

[Brian Lloyd]

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Matthew Robinson wrote:

>
> My vote would be for a portable C/C++ library that talks to the radio
> which can then be used to make native interfaces on all platforms.
>

What goes over the wire, i.e. protocol spec, is the key. In fact, it should
probably be written in the form of an RFC and floated before the IETF to be
tracked as an Internet standard. After all, we are seeing more and more
convergence of wireless and Internet.


> If the interfaces are published (another vote from me) such a library
> could be written collaboratively.
>

What I fear is that interface standards can sometimes trump protocol
standards, to everyone's detriment. The wire protocol should be
standardized while the applications programming interface is optimized for
the environment in which it will run. *Maybe* you can come up with one
universal interface library but that may not be possible. (I'm thinking
Erlang and Scheme might want something different. :-) But the wire protocol
is absolute.


> I am a Mac user and applications written in Java, Qt, Tk etc really
> irritate me as they always look horrible compared to native applications.
>

Certainly they are not as pretty. But they can be just as user-friendly and
functional. *Something* not-so-pretty that is running beats the snot out of
*nothing* that is beautiful and has been promised.

But that is no matter. If Flex publishes the protocols then the hackers can
decide by producing code. Want a client in Python? Write one in Python.
Want a client in Java? Write one in Java. Want a client in IBM-360 BAL?
Write one in IBM-360 BAL. Whatever floats your boat. Arguing about it is
silly. Voting is silly. The only two things matter:

   1. a standardized protocol on the wire;
   2. running code.

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[Flexradio] Flex 5000 and RBN - TX starting slowly.

[Michael Walker]

All

I was doing some testing with the reverse beacon network last night on the
Flex 5000.  This after the great forum on RBN during Dayton and learning
what the skimmers and the RBN can do to help with your antennas and
propogation.

I was sending CQ CQ CQ VA3MW VA3MW VA3MW TEST K.  I was actually using the
computer keyer in PSDR and running at 24 wpm.

The CW Skimmers (all of them) were copying me as either

UA3MW or AA3MW.

I could see a lag in transmitter startup on the first DIT, but this wasn't
the case.  It was mid 'string' stream.

Has anyone seen this before?  It seems like the V, which is the only new
word starting with a DIT was not starting cleanly.

Mike va3mw
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[Flexradio] Flex 6500 versus 6700

[charles]

I am glad to see the new Flex 6000 series.I received my Flex 5000A in 2007.It 
still works fine and probably will for a few more years.After looking at the 
specs for the 6000 series I wondered how it would improve my operating 
experience, which is already fantastic with the existing Flex model and 
software.I realize it is time for some needed rethinking after the 5000.I am 
glad to see the Firewire disappear.I had to search several computer stores in 
Chicago last year to find a computer with a Firewire card installed.I finally 
found a refurbished HP which was the last one available with Firewire.(See 
postscript below.) I had a Dell laptop with a four-pin Firewire socket, but it 
kept crashing with PSDR.Ethernet will be around for a long time, and almost 
every PC or laptop has Ethernet now.Other rigs are still using RS-232 ports, 
which I remember from the 1980s.It is good to see USB ports on the 6000s.I like 
the move to the Anderson Powerpole DC input.I standardized on the Anderson 
system years ago. The size and being able to plug into Ethernet will make the 
6000 series a good option for travel.In the literature for the 6000 series I 
see no provision for a VHF/UHF board like on the 5000.The 6700 apparently will 
receive but not transmit on 2 meters and not receive or transmit at all on 
70cm, so 2 meter and 70cm operation and satellite work are out.I don’t know why 
they bothered to put in receive-only capability for two meters on the 6700.I 
will keep my 5000 and maybe add the VU5K board someday.In Kenya, where I live 
now, there is almost no two meter activity.We don’t even have six meters 
here.With the 6000 series no RX2 is available, but then with the slice 
receivers none is needed.The auto tuner is included.I simply can’t afford $7000 
for the 6700.Anyhow, for my purposes, I don’t see the advantages of the 6700 
over the 6500 being worth the $3000 premium.It may be worth it for contesting 
stations where networking among several transceivers and multiple slice 
receivers are desirable.I only work as a single op. I don’t think I can handle 
more than four slice receivers.For me, the 6500 is a better option.It has most 
of the features of the 6700 but does not include some that I really don’t want 
anyhow.It is a good way to get into the next generation of software defined 
radios and be with FlexRadio as it pulls away in its lead over other 
manufacturers.73,Sig 5Z4EEP.S.,I wanted the HP for non-PSDR use and as a backup 
for my regular PSDR computers from Neal Campbell, K3NC.I think many problems 
experienced by new PSDR users could be avoided by getting a computer from Neal 
from the outset.Neal makes sure every computer he sends out is tested with PSDR 
and includes other software popular with PSDR users.I wish Neal had been in 
business when I started with Flex transceivers and PSDR.

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