Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-1500 N1MM Logger and FLDIGI
Hi Ulf may be you right. But what I mean for DDUTIL is that it give you provisions and pictures/schema to make all working together. Quite a visual schema, several of us figured it out. Not to be silly but also I would prefer something more mechanical than it. My last time was spent almost on UNIX operating systems, making config files and scripts from scratch. It's quite normal for me. For this reason, and as I don't need to drive with serial ports nothing outside the PC I use VSPR in my W7 32 bit environment. I am fiddling just A CAT port multiplexed for N1MM and the T-mate and a serial port for the PTT hard switching signals. I own also a 1K-FA but I haven't connected it by any mean with the PC/radio for band changes. I do this by hands from inside the software front panel of the radio running on the same PC. So, a real COM1 is used to communicate in between the PA and the PC. That's all. Sometimes it's better to use the simplest Swiss knife more than a complete set of tools, you know. DDUTIL have is way to present and setup things and sometimes it may look heavy, kind of personal point of view. BTW, pretty like yours. But I would still thanks a lot the author of DDUTIL for his work and the efforts. I lived with his code a lot a lot. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo On 27/09/2012 21:46, Ulf Holt wrote: I have tested DDUtil myself, but stick to WSPR, when I can redirect both CAT and PTT using two pairs of connector / splitter. Have not been able to do anything with DDUtil, which I also find very complex. 73 de LA2SL Ulf Sendt fra min iPad Den 27. sep. 2012 kl. 20:47 skrev "iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato" : Great Mathias! Yes, DDUTIL could do it and even more! But I sparely used it. Almost all station automation is ... automated by itself or not needed here. Even filters by mode/width for digital modes are under CAT commands inside the DI window of N1MM. I really like contesting or any QSO with FLEX. Having it only one focus point for the eyes: the computer screen. DDUTIL could help even more to focus on the screen dispatching commands and controls sequences as needed and not only inside the PC but also via real serial ports to more boxes outside it, i.e. band filters, PA, ecc. CU on air! 73 de iw1ayd Salvo On 27/09/2012 20:33, Mathias Krüger wrote: Hi Salvo, i found a solution, had to install DDUTIL to have the RIG CAT working from N1MM and FLDIGI. Now it looks like it's working, 1st QSO just logged :-) Regards Mathias ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-1500 N1MM Logger and FLDIGI
Great Mathias! Yes, DDUTIL could do it and even more! But I sparely used it. Almost all station automation is ... automated by itself or not needed here. Even filters by mode/width for digital modes are under CAT commands inside the DI window of N1MM. I really like contesting or any QSO with FLEX. Having it only one focus point for the eyes: the computer screen. DDUTIL could help even more to focus on the screen dispatching commands and controls sequences as needed and not only inside the PC but also via real serial ports to more boxes outside it, i.e. band filters, PA, ecc. CU on air! 73 de iw1ayd Salvo On 27/09/2012 20:33, Mathias Krüger wrote: Hi Salvo, i found a solution, had to install DDUTIL to have the RIG CAT working from N1MM and FLDIGI. Now it looks like it's working, 1st QSO just logged :-) Regards Mathias ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] FLEX-1500 N1MM Logger and FLDIGI
Hi Mathias and all. I don't know of any ready doc about the subject out of the N1MM pages that trace down how to install FLDIGI as a MMTTY or MMVARI substitute. This mean that you will not need to run the two programs together, but simply use a subset of FLDIGI instead of MMTTY. Another history would be to chain serial ports trough a virtual serial port repeater software like VSPE, free for 32 bit MSWindows packages. This would leave you with the two program working together, not desirable from my point of view. Anyway you could still try to run MMTTY for the first Digital Interface inside N1MM and FLDIGI as the second one DI, or viceversa. It maybe that some pseudo SO2R setup may apply, never tried out this combo. This would transmit tones only from whatever is yours choice in the first and so the default DI. There is the pointer for the N1MM page url at www.n1mm.com, under documents...digging deeper...FLDIGI setup: http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Digital+-+Fldigi+for+Sound+Card+Modes&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation Take care of any url mangling by he email chain. GL & 73 de iw1ayd Salvo PS BTW IMHO MMTTY is somewhat better than FLDIGI about digging out useful data from the noise. I wrote the better not the easiest. Another thing to be tested, for RTTY only, is 2Tone by David, G3YYD, a great I DI or II DI decoder, with real AM tones detection. But it's be able only to whistle, AFSK, anyway that's not bad for our FLEX boxes. -- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:58:55 +0200 From: Mathias Kr?ger To: Flex-Radio E-Mail Reflector Subject: [Flexradio] FLEX-1500 N1MM Logger and FLDIGI Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, i get working N1MM with the FLEX1500. Also FLDIGI with FLEX is working fine. But all 3 programs together are not working because there is only one pair of serial ports possible for RIG CAT. Is there somewhere a "how to setup" FLDIGI/N1MM/FLEX-1500 for a RTTY contest? Thanks i advance. BR Mathias HB9DOU ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Some 6700 questions
Yes Steve, it is the time to see some changes on the SERIAL<>CAT behavior. It is the time to see some changes in the loggers GUI. After the DOS those several logger GUI are the most ancient relics of the "text based" era. Nothing wrong to use a VT-100 interfaced to a HAL box, but just as and experiment. As to use a II world war receiver in a CQ WW. It is usable just for fun, almost. The big ticket for this change was out since then. But quite nobody followed. I strongly hope that something could change. But not strictly today or tomorrow. One year? It may be. There is plenty of hardware/software issues due to such historic view of communication in between ours devices. Somebody is doing a great work gearing in the right way our FLEX SDR and all that old hardware we like to you. But it is now time to change, at least from loggers to radios and vice versa. BTW ours radios are more and more times sophisticated than years ago. But all is very well placed under the covers and the knobs. I.E. Several loggers have human interfaces that looks like stone carved trilobites, i.e. push a key in that position not by function. So way do they have to change something? Now any/some key is mimicked on a pseudo on screen keyboard, but nothing else. Even a simple keyface rename is unwanted and not see as a feature by almost all loggers ... unbelievable! Several loggers doesn't have even enough macro button to use all the needed CAT commands or doesn't have CAT provision at all ... I don't even want to speech of the lack of CAT commands in some well know transceivers, i.e. CAT clear. Now it would be more useful to change those loggers behaviors, as to integrate effectively a new radio tool. Not to make a new radio tool look and work as a our beloved grandfather radio. Hey, I have some of those and I like each one! Now, with the next radio generation, not those with knobs(!), it would be a must to change also the loggers. We don't want to still use stoned software with our brand new radio, isn't it? If and when we will see those changes from loggers is unknown. By now I just see somebody trying to spread features like a bandmap populated panadapter. But we need and deserve more. Starting from SO2R, that would be easily not only 2, and going up to M/2 and M/M with integrated and synchronized panadapters coming out from a single box, at least for RX and integrating more traditional TX ... by example. And this would be just the top of the iceberg. We will see. ... at a time a simple triplexer and a triband with one of those new FLEX will fire up new operating techniques without having a shelter full of RTX and blah blah blah. With the right towers and aerials more could be done. But via the increasing usage of the technology also small pistols would increase effectiveness, so theirs numbers, theirs pleasure, and enjoy more the radio even with single aerials. (If anybody want to stay here back, why not, feel free.) That the way/s I would like to see things grooving up. TU to all there at FLEX. ... and if you get some spare time, I am jocking you know, try to spread out yours knowledge addressing from there those loggers writers ... 73 de iw1ayd Salvo Message: 32 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:35:29 -0500 From: "Stephen Hicks, N5AC" To: Greg Cc: FlexRadio Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Some 6700 questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >Greg, See below Steve > snip< 7. CAT compatability with loggers...is this going to use the same FLEX 5K protocol or something totally different where software authors are going to have to add another radio script? CAT is too popular and important to ignore. We are building a CAT interface. However, we would be delighted to see the community realize that CAT is a kludge and needs to be replaced. We will have our own control language for the radio (spoken between the client and the radio). We would also be interested in other well considered standards that emerge to take the place of CAT. snip< ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] MMTTY vs FLdigi
OK Eddie, after yours mail the combo N1MM-FLDIGI deserve an extensive check at all. It may be that I tried it too early with N1MM. The combo, so N1MM, is the key. I think I have got the sense of yours mail. FLDIGI stand alone doesn't sound to me, i tried it several times and no way to have it working as I would like. But when I wrote my first mail I wasn't thinking to it as an engine for N1MM. I was was just comparing MMTTY and FLDIGI stand alone, no way from my standpoint. Now I would like to put at work my proposition to check out the new combo. Here are some assorted thoughts, sorry for the bandwidth. It is not a real test with a FLEX due the lack of time by me. After half one hour of setup the combo works, even without RTFM. Now if I just could find how to have the RX log I would be more happy. The RX log it's a vital asset for any RTTY post contest debug on my mind. MMTTY have it. FLDIGI seems not to have it when in engine mode. BTW, the offsets are to be done at all trough N1MM and POWERSDR(TM). I have done only the N1MM side by now. Now some hours after I am pretty interested in checking out FLDIGI inside N1MM. Looking a 3 KHz pile up with a traditional transceiver looks pretty nice. Having the Align button inside N1MM moving the radio QRG to the center of any filter and closing the filter, all together with the same commands set, it's a nice thing. All the N1MM functions are, of course, still retained. Having tested two setups, one from scratch and one from another N1MM+MMTTY working installation, let me say that we need to be somewhat carefully decommissioning MMTTY. I mean that the software setup side of N1MM will give some bad results doing all the things together. There is something to read on how to install Fldigi fist time under N1MM on the logger site. But there is nothing on how to decommission MMTTY and install Fldigi. Simply do it in a two fold way. Define to null the now in use MMTTY pointer and get rid of the sound interface. Save and close than go back and define the sound interface to sound and set up the fleshy installed Fldigi. Now proceed to the Fldigi setup ... and several other things. BTW FLDIGI was already installed and it is not a stand alone package as MMTTY. FLDIGI knows and use the user files behavior of W7. I would retry also scratching it from the roots. Now, if I am able to get a TXT log of the RX windows I would bet on the usability of FLDIGI inside N1MM. In stand alone it log, in engine mode it doesn't log, a classic two folded configuration file problem that I hope could be easy solved without any code leve intervention. I have some weeks to test the new setup and ask anything I could need to the FLDIGI yahoo group before to run some programmed contests. I will try it also with POWERSDR(tm). If the the modded combo will work with standard radio it could only work better with the FLEX. There is the Radio, isn't it? I don't trust numbers ... just noisy, evanescent and weak signals will tell what's up. Anyway the DSP filters in FLDIGI doesn't not seems to be a wardrobe for all the seasons. Having VAC and another MMTTY instance will tell something more. Not to have unrepeatable tests. Let's the journey to continue . TU Eddie for yours advices and perseverance. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] MMTTY vs FLDIGI
OK Tim, just for the matter, it wasn't and it isn't in my intention to be against the FLEX AFSK at all. But as you rightly wrote inside POWERSDR(TM) it could be made better and easy to use all around. I am really tied to FLEX with AFSK, no regrets. I would like write a lot more about TPF, noise and so on with some new things about, but as I already wrote before I wouldn't like to stole too much space here. Back on the spilled out subject of AFSK ... with my beloved 3000 I am using low tones for RTTY and it's better, a lot better, than high tones that I use with other radios. But other radios are much more appreciated at my club station when we are half a dozen of operators at a time. I never liked AFSK since my first home built audio/PTT interface, I added a the FSK opto just some day after I finished it. My 775 was really happy with it! The PROIII even more! But the FLEX AFSK is another thing, IMHO. A much better thing with the right setup done. Anyway anything that could made better sounding the AFSK matters for ours FLEX radios would be a lot appreciated, be sure. One of my ideas about the AFSK subject that I attempted to write down in my last mail was just to say: remember to have a TX filter for the tones you would use for any mode. The implication of the offset for the filters and for the filters steps/widths will come by itself from there. Tim you are right saying that using the right code it would be much more simple to setup the radio for the different ways that each of us would have for those modes. A handfull of memory slots for parameters store and retrieval, driven by CAT commands or by FP buttons, would be a great help I think. Not to find ourself scavenging in two or tree places of the setup/DB to change it just for the suited mode or fiddling each one parameter as to find the better mean value for each modes and the program that is in use. This would sound like different applicable personalities like those PK that use Kenwood since than for the FM VHF/UHF transceivers. Have some different setup for the DB and simply switch between those to have V/V or U/U ready as needed for that time or event. Have some different sets of parameters for the FLEX DB and a simple, button and/or CAT cmd.s, ways to switch over and change yours radio in a snip. Definitively Kenwood does it via the firmware since several years ago (since the TM-V7?). May be it's not better that the sliced bred ... What do you think about Tim? Any other taker? This obviously out of the fact that I just know Perl, bash and no more. Tot enough to write code, sorry. I am back in my hole, OK. It's an automated hole, all the task here are checked out and dove via Perl, but automatic and automation haven's the same means. Also, may be there is already such a great provision ... and I am silly not reading all the docs stuff since, well, almost two months. SRY in that case. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
[Flexradio] MMTTY vs FLDIGI
Hello to all. With the biggest respect to the experiences and the personal opinion of everybody I would suggest to use MMTTY. Its internal filters are far superior to the those inside FLDIGI. That's all, IMHO. All but not enough for sure. Just to say more about my personal experiences and views I would try to write here some more deeply about my RTTY activities. Just for QSO or exotics modes DM780 and FLDIGi may have some attractions, but no way if you want to do something of relevant in RTTY. For relevant I mean not only some RTTY QSO, but also extenuating RTTY pile ups and, why not, those roaming RTTY contests. The combo N1MM+MTTY is unbeatable, even AFSK: filters and great automation, Filters by MMTTY and automation by N1MM. {(ALT-F7 +1) it's a wonderful, even if manual, SPLIT command when you listen '1 UP'} The Logger side of HRD is also useful to maintain and to give relief for the LoTW and eQSL management. Load it exporting from N1MM to have electronic QSL submission and checks. First of all remember to have a TX filter defined in POWERSDR(tm) for any mode you will use, just not to spread too much signal out of the needed hundreds Hertz pass band. Then have some macros, thanks FLEX for a very well declined CAT commands set, useful to change filters, set offsets and so on. For POWERSDR(tm) remember to place some offset values, those right pse, so when you will spot anybody the spot would be on the right QRG. This will be also useful to have point and click tuning fully automated well inside the TX filter bandwidth. Than you will have a single logger well suited for several radios just changing the macro set for each one, the same environment to drive in the same way with any vehicle you have. I already done this for a PROIII, a 7600, a 7700, a FT-950 and my love a FLEX 3000. All the radio have filters and more driven by the computer. The logger is the focus, in QSO, in the pile up and in contest. Well the 3000 with its panadapter does't need large MF filters out of the 250/200 Hz one, you will see the anyway any potential correspondent in the pan-adapter: just point and click to have inside the MMTTY waterfall also. BTW this will work for any audio/CAT interface, from the home made one, to the MicroHam and even to the ICOM USB (AFSK only, sigh!). N1MM is the only logger that I know that have 24 user definable macros out of the QSO input windows with it's own macros. The trick is to learn a logger, N1MM, doing normal activity to become really acquainted to it for any contest. How to learn a logger, easy: have it in everyday usage. How you could use a tricky logger for the everyday use, more easy: having one of this beasts that looks friendly and not a 3270 dumb terminal. Take care to have MMTTY 1.68A and it's profiling file for filters and decode choices. Some are to be modifies, as to get rid of NET or ATC or AFC, be advised. Be advised also that some combined effects of the MMTTY AF filters may seems to be way too much tied to be useful. Time and learning will help to use and judge. DM780 was my first choice, but I switched to MMTTY to have FSK, N1MM was a must doing my small contest activity. But it's also the main choice, together with FLEX, for IQ1RY RTTY 24H contests and we win something last years. Thanks to all on bands and there. I think it's a good point. The radio macro set was the same, the radio changed, but nobody cared about ... well ... almost: HI! The first operator, IK1HXN, never used a FLEX before: his first run in a 24h contest went to a win. As the N1MM and macro commands was well know by him. With the FLEX it went more easy and effortless for the 2010 DL-DX than for the 2010 Volta, that was played with a traditional radio! There will be much more to explain in between those points to glue all together and to make a full blown working picture, but it would be too much here and I don't want to stole more space. A usual, I hope that my language was clear enough to be readable. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Comparing Flex to K3 for contesting
I would like to add also mine personal opinion about the subject, as for me it's really hot. Here not everything was compared to everything other in scientific approach, nonetheless I would give my vote to FLEX. IMHO. I wouldn't bother on numbers but on usability. I am devoted to RTTY. My point of view is the one of a small station in the middle of a dense urban area. My aerials are simply V shaped rigid dipoles. I am also manning time to time IQ1RY a club station not so far away from here and with several more interesting features. Happy to taste from there what the radio means on bigger numbers than at home. The dawn form there after a night with the radio ... well, this is another story. The panadapter of POWERSDR(TM) is THE Panadapter. There is a mouse and the mouse pointer could be clicked on a signal, then you are dead on decoding a new RTTY correspondent, no frills, no trills. No one could tell from the change of the sound that there is another one correspondent on the decoding window of N1MM: S&P is just moving trough the band from each correspondent to the next one. Just a touch of the Tmate could solve any out of target click issue, time to time. There isn't the needs to put it on Windows focus, this leave the PWSDR or N1MM and the mouse free to fly on the target, change a filter or send a call/answer. No way to compare the FLEX panadaptor with others panadaptors, at all. They, name each one of these, doesn't even deserve the name of panadaptor as FLEX name and give it to us. These are simplistic screens that have risen to the role of panadaptor for a simple marketing decision. On the general view of the environment here: MMTTY, rock solid since than, is going to have a Twin Peak Filter ... , any IF filter is modifiable in a click (any filter is like this), CAT commands for those filters and more are working as needed. Everything is working fine, with good antivirus, no pick-a-patch from M*S and a second PC for homework. Just to be sure. Another but the same view. I lately bought a IC-7700. Well I like it, as just in few days it went "molded" to work as mine FLEX with N1MM, automated as needed: no more radio touching. Even a second copy of the Tmate application, with its own setup and runnning parameters make it looking much better as the FLEX, well this time acting as a plain VFO knob. This was done also for my oldest and trusted 756PROIII. Thanks to the N1MM digital group from Yahoo. Just the panadaptor is more difficult to see and definitively not so useful but for the RUN both ICOM works and definitively even the S&P with just the VFO to fiddle is more relaxing and useful. Just like to be half that's better than none. So, If a radio could be run as my FLEX taught me this mean it could be used, even the K3, but always half. BTW, I am unfortunately loosing the ability to use the keyboard, as any operation due to the N1MM features, the macro commands and the general behavior of the whole thing is highly automatized and doesn't require any click-clacking on the KBD. I would loose all my typewriting abilities over time if even I have had some of it before. The PC/logger and the Contest, strategy and workout, are the focus in the Contest. All together with the radio. All things are to be automated and working smoothly and flawlessly. This for small and big guns and FLEX with it's today ability to be quite well integrated is the key point. It would be better with the new software, after that development and integrations issues will become solved. I mean not for FLEX but for the whole new generation of software that could come out. Now we have a SDR and FLEX is it. But we are still running on applications that emulate standard radio on it, with old and ancient bones and their well know rattling noise. I love N1MM and MMTTY, but my dreams will become better and better when those things and FLEX will become more tied together, at least in some way that I could see since now. I mean tied not with todays "RS-232" shoestring. But there are also other issues coming out from the effectiveness of the OS platforms we could use in a not so far away tomorrow. Anyway a good example could be the band map, a la N1MM, integrated but not on or inside the the panadaptor I mean within it. A live band map in a live and clickable panadaptor. This would undoubtedly represent a useful advantage: more focus where the game is. It's not so easy, I know but this is another story. Somebody tell me me that it is the matter of another and more advanced subject. RTTY isn't CW nor phone, it has too many advantages ;-) If anybody reached this point TNX, In the hope that my English was enough readable. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radi
Re: [Flexradio] [Fledradio] Tuning Knob
Hi all. I would like to say one more thing about the Tmate and is companion software . It doesn't need to have the GUI focused on to work. I didn't see this in any of the mails speaking about it or any other devices. It sit on yours desk and on the GUI in a full equivalence. There isn't the need to make the application active by any mean. The application with the driver is just "waiting" for the user input at any time. BTW it doesn't also grab the focus from yours main application, whatever is it, i.e. the logger or POWERSDR(TM). So it's literally transparent to the user, at all, for any of the functions that Beppe, IK1VIG, already outlined in a mail just before. As far as I know the Griffin Powermate application wasn't like this. May be only due to it's non native emulation of keystrokes to support unknown applications. If I remember right for native applications like the audio output from the main audio interface it was working like this on XP. Straight out of the box. Tmate and is driver/application are working this way for POWERSDR(TM). 73 de iw1ayd Salvo ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/