Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: [Tim] The PA will run 50 watts RTTY without any issues. The PA is rated as full duty cycle, 100W ICAS (intermittent commercial and amateur service) full duty cycle is key down all the time ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
On May 5, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Burt wrote: --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: [Tim] The PA will run 50 watts RTTY without any issues. The PA is rated as full duty cycle, 100W ICAS (intermittent commercial and amateur service) full duty cycle is key down all the time Well, one of the nice things about ddutil is that it has a display of PA temperature. I operate olivia which tends toward long key-down periods. I normally run with the audio input level at -1dB so my power output is typically around 80W. I can stay key-down that way for an indefinite period of time with the PA running at about 55C. So while they may spec it as ICAO, you can use ddutil to monitor PA temp and know for yourself. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
I know that for the 5000a it was originally (and conservatively) stated that we Rtty'ers should stick to 50 watts output especially during contests, etc. Same for PSK. Later on, after getting some experience in the field, they lifted the restriction and said 100 watts was fine. I do not know what PAs they used in the 3000 but I would expect a similar approach (i.e., recommend 50 watts until experience shows it can be 100). Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: On May 5, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Burt wrote: --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: [Tim] The PA will run 50 watts RTTY without any issues. The PA is rated as full duty cycle, 100W ICAS (intermittent commercial and amateur service) full duty cycle is key down all the time Well, one of the nice things about ddutil is that it has a display of PA temperature. I operate olivia which tends toward long key-down periods. I normally run with the audio input level at -1dB so my power output is typically around 80W. I can stay key-down that way for an indefinite period of time with the PA running at about 55C. So while they may spec it as ICAO, you can use ddutil to monitor PA temp and know for yourself. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
old habits (and old fears) die hard Every rig I've ever had said to cut power to half when in AM or RTTY mode. So My Flex runs at less than 50watts and I just use an amp. (even the amp 'QUADRA' I run at it's 'LOW' power setting when doing rtty and only use 'HIGH' when chasing some needed band/mode on cw/ssb) - Original Message - From: Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com To: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy,need some help I know that for the 5000a it was originally (and conservatively) stated that we Rtty'ers should stick to 50 watts output especially during contests, etc. Same for PSK. Later on, after getting some experience in the field, they lifted the restriction and said 100 watts was fine. I do not know what PAs they used in the 3000 but I would expect a similar approach (i.e., recommend 50 watts until experience shows it can be 100). Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: On May 5, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Burt wrote: --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: [Tim] The PA will run 50 watts RTTY without any issues. The PA is rated as full duty cycle, 100W ICAS (intermittent commercial and amateur service) full duty cycle is key down all the time Well, one of the nice things about ddutil is that it has a display of PA temperature. I operate olivia which tends toward long key-down periods. I normally run with the audio input level at -1dB so my power output is typically around 80W. I can stay key-down that way for an indefinite period of time with the PA running at about 55C. So while they may spec it as ICAO, you can use ddutil to monitor PA temp and know for yourself. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
So while they may spec it as ICAO, you can use ddutil to monitor PA temp and know for yourself. I realize you are running the 5000, but has anyone found a way to get at this info on the 3000? 73 Alf NU8I Scottsdale AZ DM43an ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
Exactly the same way you get it with the FLEX-5000; SHIFT+CRTL+I BTW. Lets kill this thread. The content has nothing to do with the subject line anymore. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Alfred Green Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:31 PM To: flexRadio List Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help So while they may spec it as ICAO, you can use ddutil to monitor PA temp and know for yourself. I realize you are running the 5000, but has anyone found a way to get at this info on the 3000? 73 Alf NU8I Scottsdale AZ DM43an ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
I need some help for an install walk through. Radio is a Flex 3000, computer is an Intel quad core/Vista64/8gb ram. I have Win-Eqf and MMTTY up and running now. I started with those 2 programs because I'm most familiar with them and have been using them for many years. The Flex 3000 makes radio #8 that is hooked up to logging/CAT control via Win-Eqf in the shack. Question 1: In the manual it doesn't come out and say it, but kind of alludes to the power output rating on RTTY as being 25 watts. I that so? My amp really likes about ~50 watts of drive for 1500 watts. If so, it is not really a big deal as I can continue using other radios for HP RTTY. Question #1B Is anyone running MMTTY with Power SDR? The program responds, but when transmitting on 14.082 with my 756 pro II , the PSDR VFO is at 14.079.697, and is a gibberish decode. The signal shows up at the 14.082 grid on PSDR, but the VFO is reading 14.079.697. The PRO II setup is fine and have made hundreds of contacts on it. The 2 programs I really would like to use this radio on are CW Skimmer and WSJT JT65. I've never used CW Skimmer before, but the radio seems tailor made for it. I'm running JT65 on a TS-2000X/Amplifier Systems 8877 2 meter amp or the Yaesu 736R/ Henry 2002a amp set ups for moon bounce now. Joe Taylor is working on a beta program now to take advantage of the wide bandwidth of SDR radios to make them similar to CW Skimmer. Seeing every signal off of the moon would be pretty cool. JT65 will have to wait a bit until I order a 2 meter transverter from DEMI. Question #3 Do I need to use Com0Com to create another virtual com port (COM8-18 for data and still use COM6-16 for CAT) for CW Skimmer to use? COM7-17 is being used for PTT in MMTTY now. Question #4 DDUtil v 1.73 won't load on my Vista computer. Any recommendations? I could use a walk through phone call here. Question #5 The parameters for VAC are different between MMTTY and CW Skimmer. Can I make 2 additional virtual audio cables to dedicate to Skimmer? If not, will I need to change the VAC parameters every time I switch from Skimmer to a digital mode program? Maybe load 2 copies of Power SDR, one for all of my digital programs and one for CW Skimmer? Question #6 The monitoring function sounds like a cheap echo chamber. A lot of latency, is there a cure for that? Question #7 On CW I'm getting a lot of key clicks and hash while sending. It does not matter if I'm using a key or if I'm using the memory keyer built into Power SDR. It wipes out the first couple of dits/dahs at the start of each transmission. Question #8 Am I the only person having trouble? Everyone else reviewing this radio just loves it and doesn't seem to have any problems I've been hammering away at it for 4 days and really need some help here to get it up and running. Dudley is pretty busy lately and will be busy for the next couple of days and suggested I try ya'll. Thank you 73, Marty AB5GU 832-875-2320 **2009 3 Free CREDIT SCORES: See Your 3 Credit Scores from All 3 Bureaus FREE! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221797372x1201397989/aol?redir=https:%2F%2Fwww.freescore.com%2FOffers%2FStart%2FFreeCreditRepor tAndScore.aspx%3FID%3D91831F371F138345B53A153F49D4D872%26siteid%3De927580bf7 ) ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help
Marty, See my comments below, -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of brahman...@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:10 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] 4 days trying to get Flex 3000 going, Dudley is busy, need some help I need some help for an install walk through. Radio is a Flex 3000, computer is an Intel quad core/Vista64/8gb ram. I have Win-Eqf and MMTTY up and running now. I started with those 2 programs because I'm most familiar with them and have been using them for many years. The Flex 3000 makes radio #8 that is hooked up to logging/CAT control via Win-Eqf in the shack. Question 1: In the manual it doesn't come out and say it, but kind of alludes to the power output rating on RTTY as being 25 watts. I that so? My amp really likes about ~50 watts of drive for 1500 watts. If so, it is not really a big deal as I can continue using other radios for HP RTTY. [Tim] The PA will run 50 watts RTTY without any issues. The PA is rated as full duty cycle, 100W ICAS (intermittent commercial and amateur service) Question #1B Is anyone running MMTTY with Power SDR? The program responds, but when transmitting on 14.082 with my 756 pro II , the PSDR VFO is at 14.079.697, and is a gibberish decode. The signal shows up at the 14.082 grid on PSDR, but the VFO is reading 14.079.697. The PRO II setup is fine and have made hundreds of contacts on it. [Tim] Sounds like VAC isn't configured properly, which is needed to transfer audio from MMTTY to PowerSDR unless you are going old school and using a physical interface. It should be a buffer mismatch too. And, if you are using a demo version of VAC, this can contribute to it also. The 2 programs I really would like to use this radio on are CW Skimmer and WSJT JT65. I've never used CW Skimmer before, but the radio seems tailor made for it. I'm running JT65 on a TS-2000X/Amplifier Systems 8877 2 meter amp or the Yaesu 736R/ Henry 2002a amp set ups for moon bounce now. Joe Taylor is working on a beta program now to take advantage of the wide bandwidth of SDR radios to make them similar to CW Skimmer. Seeing every signal off of the moon would be pretty cool. JT65 will have to wait a bit until I order a 2 meter transverter from DEMI. Question #3 Do I need to use Com0Com to create another virtual com port (COM8-18 for data and still use COM6-16 for CAT) for CW Skimmer to use? COM7-17 is being used for PTT in MMTTY now. [Tim] What do you mean by data? Com0Com is a null modem virtual serial port pair emulator for CAT and PTT only. Question #4 DDUtil v 1.73 won't load on my Vista computer. Any recommendations? I could use a walk through phone call here. [Tim] Replace Vista with XP. It is what it is. :-) Question #5 The parameters for VAC are different between MMTTY and CW Skimmer. Can I make 2 additional virtual audio cables to dedicate to Skimmer? [Tim] The VAC channel configurations are not different. Those are set it and forget it parameters. What is different is the VAC configuration in PowerSDR. If not, will I need to change the VAC parameters every time I switch from Skimmer to a digital mode program? [Tim] Yes, you will need to change the PowerSDR VAC parameters between a digital mode program that uses raw I/Q data like CWSkimmer and one that uses processed audio like MixW. Maybe load 2 copies of Power SDR, one for all of my digital programs and one for CW Skimmer? [Tim] The easiest thing is to use two different databases, not two different versions of PowerSDR (although you could do that too). Question #6 The monitoring function sounds like a cheap echo chamber. A lot of latency, is there a cure for that? [Tim] Smaller audio Firewire buffers and a lower sampling rate. Also might be a buffer mismatch http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50150.aspx Question #7 On CW I'm getting a lot of key clicks and hash while sending. It does not matter if I'm using a key or if I'm using the memory keyer built into Power SDR. It wipes out the first couple of dits/dahs at the start of each transmission. [Tim] Sounds like the operating system is not optimized and you have a lot of inherent latency. http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50091.aspx Use the DPC checker to see what is the duration of your system's DPCs http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50328.aspx It also could be your Firewire host controller in the PC causing these problems too. Question #8 Am I the only person having trouble? Everyone else reviewing this radio just loves it and doesn't seem to have any problems [Tim] It is just part of the learning curve. I suspect your PC isn't optimized for real-time audio processing. Vista has a few more challenges than XP, but there is no reason you can't get it working. I recommend getting the basic functions of the radio going
