Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-12-01 Thread David Beumer W0DHB
 
While I agree that it makes more sense that it would be something like a
switching power supply,but the signal is strongest when connected to my
outdoor antenna +20 or so. I've done indoor sniffing with a loop antenna and
I barely pick up the signal if at all.

We're on 2 acres and the closest neighbor to the antenna is 300 or 400 feet
away.

I'm gonna keep plugging along ..

The folks at NOAA as well as several other local Amateurs I've been in
contact with have been very impressed with the Flex 5000 Panadapter and
Waterfall display.



-Original Message-
From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:40 PM
To: David Beumer WA3FDB
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:56 PM, David Beumer WA3FDB wrote:

> Brian C & Brian L
>
> I did get an email from the ionosnode folks in Boulder:

I have seen the ionosonde transmissions. They don't look like what you were
talking about. OTOH, the repetitive 'birdies' that wander is pretty typical
of a poorly shielded switching power supply with a varying load.

> --
> -
> Dave,
>
> We are indeed operating two ionosondes at our facility on Broadway, in 
> Boulder.  I will look over your plots.  As a favor, would you attempt 
> to time stamp the phenomena for me?
>
> One of our older radars is initiating a sweep at these 15 minute 
> intervals 00, 15, 30, 45 of each hour.
> Our second radar is initiating a sweep at these 15 minute intervals 
> 05, 20, 35, 50 of each hour.
>
> Each broadcast sweep takes ~ 3 minutes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
>
> __
> _
>
> The QRM I'm seeing is on constantly .. so unless some equipment they 
> have is defective, the are not the source.
>
> I'm going try and locate some of the local folks that have directional 
> antennas and see if they are hearing it also.
>
> Dave
>
> From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
>
> Well, I'm very interested to see what it turns out to be. Hope we can 
> locate it!
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:53:09 -0700
>
>
> Brian
>
> Haven't got a portable receiver, but have a buddy with a mobile set- 
> up,  I know right where the transmitter is.
>
> I could also pack up the 5000 and notebook computer..
>
> Hopefully the NOAA folks will get back to me on Monday .
>
> Dave
>
> From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
>
> Do you have a portable SW radio and can you drive toward the 
> transmitter site to see if things change at all as you get closer?
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:21:17 -0700
>
> I will sure keep ya updated.  The signal is extremely strong, S9 + 20  
> the 2nd Harmonic is S9 at least.
>
> Hopefully, the NOAA folks will have some answers -- it's pretty 
> annoying.
>
>
>
> From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
>
> Great, let us know what happens. If it's not local, it might be an 
> ionosonde station. Sure looks and sounds like one, but the interval's 
> too short. However, if it's a local, low power test, they might be 
> changing the intervals from the norm.
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:54:40 -0700
>
> Brian
>
> I am about 7 miles from Boulder -- I've got a an email out to the 
> ionosonde folks.
>
> Dve
>
> From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
>
> An ethernet switch could be the culprit. My next guesses would be be 
> either an internet cable modem or a switching power supply. David, how 
> close are you to Boulder? There is a new digital ionosonde station in 
> Boulder, with a 4Kw amplifier, undergoing testing as of Novemb

Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-12-01 Thread David Beumer WA3FDB
Brian C & Brian L
 
I did get an email from the ionosnode folks in Boulder:

---
Dave,

We are indeed operating two ionosondes at our facility on Broadway, in
Boulder.  I will look over your plots.  As a favor, would you attempt to
time stamp the phenomena for me?

One of our older radars is initiating a sweep at these 15 minute intervals
00, 15, 30, 45 of each hour.  
Our second radar is initiating a sweep at these 15 minute intervals 05, 20,
35, 50 of each hour.

Each broadcast sweep takes ~ 3 minutes.  

Regards,

Rob


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The QRM I'm seeing is on constantly .. so unless some equipment they have is
defective, the are not the source.
 
I'm going try and locate some of the local folks that have directional
antennas and see if they are hearing it also.
 
Dave

  _  

From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Well, I'm very interested to see what it turns out to be. Hope we can locate
it!
 
Brian



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Brian
 
Haven't got a portable receiver, but have a buddy with a mobile set-up,  I
know right where the transmitter is.
 
I could also pack up the 5000 and notebook computer..
 
Hopefully the NOAA folks will get back to me on Monday .
 
Dave

  _  

From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Do you have a portable SW radio and can you drive toward the transmitter
site to see if things change at all as you get closer?


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Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:21:17 -0700


I will sure keep ya updated.  The signal is extremely strong, S9 + 20  the
2nd Harmonic is S9 at least.
 
Hopefully, the NOAA folks will have some answers -- it's pretty annoying.
 
 

  _  

From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Great, let us know what happens. If it's not local, it might be an ionosonde
station. Sure looks and sounds like one, but the interval's too short.
However, if it's a local, low power test, they might be changing the
intervals from the norm.


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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:54:40 -0700


Brian
 
I am about 7 miles from Boulder -- I've got a an email out to the ionosonde
folks.
 
Dve

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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


An ethernet switch could be the culprit. My next guesses would be be either
an internet cable modem or a switching power supply. David, how close are
you to Boulder? There is a new digital ionosonde station in Boulder, with a
4Kw amplifier, undergoing testing as of November 22, 2008. It's a VIPIR,
Vertical Incidence Pulsed Ionospheric Radar installation. 
 
http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/INAG/web-69/2008/boulder_vipir.pdf
 

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:14:27 -0800
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:21 AM, David Beumer W0DHB wrote:
> 
> > Brian
> >
> > You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at 
> > around 5
> > Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
> > I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so .. 
> > They
> > swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.
> 
> Mulitples of 170KHz? I have that. It turned out to be my Linksys 
> managed ethernet switch.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread David Beumer WA3FDB
Brian
 
I am about 7 miles from Boulder -- I've got a an email out to the ionosonde
folks.
 
Dve

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From: Brian C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


An ethernet switch could be the culprit. My next guesses would be be either
an internet cable modem or a switching power supply. David, how close are
you to Boulder? There is a new digital ionosonde station in Boulder, with a
4Kw amplifier, undergoing testing as of November 22, 2008. It's a VIPIR,
Vertical Incidence Pulsed Ionospheric Radar installation. 
 
http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/INAG/web-69/2008/boulder_vipir.pdf
 

> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:14:27 -0800
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:21 AM, David Beumer W0DHB wrote:
> 
> > Brian
> >
> > You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at 
> > around 5
> > Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
> > I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so .. 
> > They
> > swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.
> 
> Mulitples of 170KHz? I have that. It turned out to be my Linksys 
> managed ethernet switch.
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Lloyd
> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl
> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.791.912.8170 (fax)
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread David Beumer WA3FDB
Actually it's multiples of 80Hz or so.. The harmonics are a multiple of 170.

That being said, I do have a Netgear managed switch that I will check out.

Thanks 

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Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:21 AM, David Beumer W0DHB wrote:

> Brian
>
> You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at 
> around 5 Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
> I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so ..  
> They
> swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.

Mulitples of 170KHz?  I have that. It turned out to be my Linksys managed
ethernet switch.



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brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread Brian C

An ethernet switch could be the culprit. My next guesses would be be either an 
internet cable modem or a switching power supply. David, how close are you to 
Boulder? There is a new digital ionosonde station in Boulder, with a 4Kw 
amplifier, undergoing testing as of November 22, 2008. It's a VIPIR, Vertical 
Incidence Pulsed Ionospheric Radar installation. 
 
http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/INAG/web-69/2008/boulder_vipir.pdf
 
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics> Date: 
> Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:14:27 -0800> > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:21 AM, David 
> Beumer W0DHB wrote:> > > Brian> >> > You may be on to something.. I have 
> since found the same pattern at > > around 5> > Mhz with harmonics in 30m .> 
> > I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so .. > > 
> They> > swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.> > Mulitples of 170KHz? I have 
> that. It turned out to be my Linksys > managed ethernet switch.> > > > Brian 
> Lloyd> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl> brian AT 
> gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) 
> +1.791.912.8170 (fax)> > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C> PGP key fingerprint: 
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread Brian Lloyd


On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:21 AM, David Beumer W0DHB wrote:


Brian

You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at  
around 5

Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so ..  
They

swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.


Mulitples of 170KHz?  I have that. It turned out to be my Linksys  
managed ethernet switch.




Brian Lloyd
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brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread David Beumer W0DHB
Shoot -- ran 5000 from battery operated notebook, it's not the PC's or
monitors.

A correction on the repeating pattern, it's every 80Hz or so, the 170Khz
repeating was the 2nd Harmonic.

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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:20 PM
To: 'Lux, James P'; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

I'm gonna check that out Jim,  I use an Astron RS-35M for the Rig,  might be
one of the PC's

Thanks
Dave 

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From: Lux, James P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:54 PM
To: David Beumer W0DHB
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

Switching ps is the most likely,esp if the sweep period isn't rock steady.
Esp if you've got a every 1xx kHz sort of harmonic structure

Jim w6rmk

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Sent: 11/29/08 10:24
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Brian

You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at around 5
Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so .. They
swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.

Dave

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian C
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:30 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Dave, are you hearing an ionosonde? Does it sound like a swooosh that moves
up or down the band every few hours?

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html> Message: 4> Date: Fri, 28
Nov 2008 > From: "David Beumer W0DHB" > Folks> I'm trying to track down the
source of some nasty QRM that appears as an> 4khz wide carrier that meanders
through 40m with 2nd ,3rd and 4th harmonics> on 20, 15 and 10. I've got a
screen shot of waterfalls of 40m (Top) and> 20m (bottom) showing the signal
at URL: www.wa3fdb.net/40mQRM.htm > I'd appreciate any clues as to what it
is .. I don't believe it is anything> internal to the 5000A .> It is strong
enough on 20 m that it prevents digital mode reception.> I'm located about
40 miles NNW of Denver, grid DN70kc .> I'm also checking with folks in a 10
mile radius or so to see if they can> hear and/or see it. > Thanks> Dave -
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread David Beumer W0DHB
I'm gonna check that out Jim,  I use an Astron RS-35M for the Rig,  might be
one of the PC's

Thanks
Dave 

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From: Lux, James P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:54 PM
To: David Beumer W0DHB
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

Switching ps is the most likely,esp if the sweep period isn't rock steady.
Esp if you've got a every 1xx kHz sort of harmonic structure

Jim w6rmk

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From: "David Beumer W0DHB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Brian C'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "flexradio@flex-radio.biz"

Sent: 11/29/08 10:24
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Brian

You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at around 5
Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so .. They
swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.

Dave

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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:30 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Dave, are you hearing an ionosonde? Does it sound like a swooosh that moves
up or down the band every few hours?

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html> Message: 4> Date: Fri, 28
Nov 2008 > From: "David Beumer W0DHB" > Folks> I'm trying to track down the
source of some nasty QRM that appears as an> 4khz wide carrier that meanders
through 40m with 2nd ,3rd and 4th harmonics> on 20, 15 and 10. I've got a
screen shot of waterfalls of 40m (Top) and> 20m (bottom) showing the signal
at URL: www.wa3fdb.net/40mQRM.htm > I'd appreciate any clues as to what it
is .. I don't believe it is anything> internal to the 5000A .> It is strong
enough on 20 m that it prevents digital mode reception.> I'm located about
40 miles NNW of Denver, grid DN70kc .> I'm also checking with folks in a 10
mile radius or so to see if they can> hear and/or see it. > Thanks> Dave -
W0DHB
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread David Beumer W0DHB
Brian

You may be on to something.. I have since found the same pattern at around 5
Mhz with harmonics in 30m .
I have also found they are in multiples about every 170Khz or so .. They
swoosh through every 15 seconds or so.

Dave

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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:30 AM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics


Dave, are you hearing an ionosonde? Does it sound like a swooosh that moves
up or down the band every few hours?
 
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html> Message: 4> Date: Fri, 28
Nov 2008 > From: "David Beumer W0DHB" > Folks> I'm trying to track down the
source of some nasty QRM that appears as an> 4khz wide carrier that meanders
through 40m with 2nd ,3rd and 4th harmonics> on 20, 15 and 10. I've got a
screen shot of waterfalls of 40m (Top) and> 20m (bottom) showing the signal
at URL: www.wa3fdb.net/40mQRM.htm > I'd appreciate any clues as to what it
is .. I don't believe it is anything> internal to the 5000A .> It is strong
enough on 20 m that it prevents digital mode reception.> I'm located about
40 miles NNW of Denver, grid DN70kc .> I'm also checking with folks in a 10
mile radius or so to see if they can> hear and/or see it. > Thanks> Dave -
W0DHB
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Re: [Flexradio] 40m qrm with harmonics

2008-11-29 Thread Brian C

Dave, are you hearing an ionosonde? Does it sound like a swooosh that moves up 
or down the band every few hours?
 
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/IONO/ionogram.html> Message: 4> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 
2008 > From: "David Beumer W0DHB" > Folks> I'm trying to track down the source 
of some nasty QRM that appears as an> 4khz wide carrier that meanders through 
40m with 2nd ,3rd and 4th harmonics> on 20, 15 and 10. I've got a screen shot 
of waterfalls of 40m (Top) and> 20m (bottom) showing the signal at URL: 
www.wa3fdb.net/40mQRM.htm > I'd appreciate any clues as to what it is .. I 
don't believe it is anything> internal to the 5000A .> It is strong enough on 
20 m that it prevents digital mode reception.> I'm located about 40 miles NNW 
of Denver, grid DN70kc .> I'm also checking with folks in a 10 mile radius or 
so to see if they can> hear and/or see it. > Thanks> Dave - W0DHB
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