Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Justin M. Mayrand]

Hmm, I was thinking about integrating a 3000 with a laptop in another 
all-in-one portable case. That would be easy thermally and power supply wise.




On Dec 21, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Justin M. Mayrand wrote:

> The Mini is much smaller than the 5000, it would have to go on top.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:20 PM, FlexRadio Support, Dudley Hurry wrote:
> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I think that not only the RF issue to consider,  but that the cooling could
>> be an issue also..I think that you would be better off with the Flex
>> 5000 setting on top of the Mac Mini..
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dudley
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>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Mike Schwendeman  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am going to TURN AROUND Jack's idea: -I had always considered dropping a
>>> Mac Mini INTO the Flex-5000a cabinet!  If the top-most (is it the V/U unit?)
>>> add-on is not in place, the newest models of the Mac Mini would quite
>>> possibly fit in this open space.  (The front panel could be cut to allow the
>>> 'Mini to peek through, to allow access to the optical drive, or the little
>>> computer could simply be dropped in place behind the panel.)  The Mac Mini
>>> does a great job running the Flex-5000a, by the way!
>>> 
>>> No matter how one does the installation, an access hole would have to be
>>> made in the cabinet someplace to allow for the needed cables to and from the
>>> computer. And, YES; The "RFI" from both devices might prove to be a problem
>>> 
>>> 73; -Mike- KØJTA
>>> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Justin M. Mayrand]

The Mini is much smaller than the 5000, it would have to go on top.




On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:20 PM, FlexRadio Support, Dudley Hurry wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> I think that not only the RF issue to consider,  but that the cooling could
> be an issue also..I think that you would be better off with the Flex
> 5000 setting on top of the Mac Mini..
> 
> 
> 73,
> Dudley
> 
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> Web: www.flexradio.com 
> 
> "Tune in excitement!" ™
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Mike Schwendeman  wrote:
> 
>> I am going to TURN AROUND Jack's idea: -I had always considered dropping a
>> Mac Mini INTO the Flex-5000a cabinet!  If the top-most (is it the V/U unit?)
>> add-on is not in place, the newest models of the Mac Mini would quite
>> possibly fit in this open space.  (The front panel could be cut to allow the
>> 'Mini to peek through, to allow access to the optical drive, or the little
>> computer could simply be dropped in place behind the panel.)  The Mac Mini
>> does a great job running the Flex-5000a, by the way!
>> 
>> No matter how one does the installation, an access hole would have to be
>> made in the cabinet someplace to allow for the needed cables to and from the
>> computer. And, YES; The "RFI" from both devices might prove to be a problem
>> 
>> 73; -Mike- KØJTA
>> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Mike Schwendeman]

I am going to TURN AROUND Jack's idea: -I had always considered dropping 
a Mac Mini INTO the Flex-5000a cabinet! If the top-most (is it the V/U 
unit?) add-on is not in place, the newest models of the Mac Mini would 
quite possibly fit in this open space. (The front panel could be cut to 
allow the 'Mini to peek through, to allow access to the optical drive, 
or the little computer could simply be dropped in place behind the 
panel.) The Mac Mini does a great job running the Flex-5000a, by the way!


No matter how one does the installation, an access hole would have to be 
made in the cabinet someplace to allow for the needed cables to and from 
the computer. And, YES; The "RFI" from both devices might prove to be a 
problem


73; -Mike- KØJTA

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[FlexRadio Support, Dudley Hurry]

Mike,

I think that not only the RF issue to consider,  but that the cooling could
be an issue also..I think that you would be better off with the Flex
5000 setting on top of the Mac Mini..


73,
Dudley

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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Mike Schwendeman  wrote:

> I am going to TURN AROUND Jack's idea: -I had always considered dropping a
> Mac Mini INTO the Flex-5000a cabinet!  If the top-most (is it the V/U unit?)
> add-on is not in place, the newest models of the Mac Mini would quite
> possibly fit in this open space.  (The front panel could be cut to allow the
> 'Mini to peek through, to allow access to the optical drive, or the little
> computer could simply be dropped in place behind the panel.)  The Mac Mini
> does a great job running the Flex-5000a, by the way!
>
> No matter how one does the installation, an access hole would have to be
> made in the cabinet someplace to allow for the needed cables to and from the
> computer. And, YES; The "RFI" from both devices might prove to be a problem
>
> 73; -Mike- KØJTA
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Mike Schwendeman]

I am going to TURN AROUND Jack's idea: -I had always considered dropping a Mac 
Mini INTO the Flex-5000a cabinet!  If the top-most (is it the V/U unit?) add-on 
is not in place, the newest models of the Mac Mini would quite possibly fit in 
this open space.  (The front panel could be cut to allow the 'Mini to peek 
through, to allow access to the optical drive, or the little computer could 
simply be dropped in place behind the panel.)  The Mac Mini does a great job 
running the Flex-5000a, by the way!

No matter how one does the installation, an access hole would have to be made in the 
cabinet someplace to allow for the needed cables to and from the computer. And, YES; The 
"RFI" from both devices might prove to be a problem

73; -Mike- KØJTA


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[FlexRadio Support, Dudley Hurry]

Justin,

It was quite a challenge,  the big challenge for Gerald and Ken was to get
the computer EMT low enough to get the radio qualified.As Gerald said,
 the FCC will allow more radiation out of a computer than with a radio.  Put
a computer in the same box with a radio,  it must qualify as a radio and not
a computer.   Then you also have to support the computer and the operating
system many challenges.



73,
Dudley

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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
wrote:

>
> Ah, excellent point. I suppose the PC and Radio will really need to be in
> different cases and with separate power supplies to work properly. I'd like
> to see pictures of the inside of the 5000C.
>
> 
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Tim Ellison wrote:
>
> > The engineering challenge is that you have two RF emitters in very close
> proximity inside the same faraday cage.  The PC can affect the RX and the
> radio's transmitter can hose up the PC.
> >
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:
> flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Justin M. Mayrand
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:57 PM
> > Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one
> >
> > Yeah, the rack-mount case is expensive, but I'll bet there is a case out
> there just waiting. I had one a couple years ago with a 5" LCD touch panel
> on the front in a desktop config, very handy, and would make a neat spot to
> put some controls as a second display. Hmmm.. Maybe I'll roll my own
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Jack Haverty wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps a Flex-1500 could fit *inside* some standard tower or desktop
> >> PC box, maybe with a small card with connectors to bring the antenna,
> >> key, etc. out the back panel.
> >>
> >> 73, /Jack de K3FIV
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 13:25 -0800, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well, I'll be danged.
> >>>>
> >>>> That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to
> >>>> the mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf
> >>>> space with Yaesu, Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so
> >>>> it can be sold "off the shelf".
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I was talking with Greg Jurrens about this and he said it requires a
> >>> very expensive chassis and that demand has been so low as to make it
> >>> unreasonable to keep them in stock.
> >>>
> >>> But if you want and all-in-one Flex 5000 this is the way to go.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Justin M. Mayrand]

Ah, excellent point. I suppose the PC and Radio will really need to be in 
different cases and with separate power supplies to work properly. I'd like to 
see pictures of the inside of the 5000C. 



On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Tim Ellison wrote:

> The engineering challenge is that you have two RF emitters in very close 
> proximity inside the same faraday cage.  The PC can affect the RX and the 
> radio's transmitter can hose up the PC.
> 
> 
> -Tim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz 
> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Justin M. Mayrand
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:57 PM
> Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one
> 
> Yeah, the rack-mount case is expensive, but I'll bet there is a case out 
> there just waiting. I had one a couple years ago with a 5" LCD touch panel on 
> the front in a desktop config, very handy, and would make a neat spot to put 
> some controls as a second display. Hmmm.. Maybe I'll roll my own
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Jack Haverty wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps a Flex-1500 could fit *inside* some standard tower or desktop 
>> PC box, maybe with a small card with connectors to bring the antenna, 
>> key, etc. out the back panel.
>> 
>> 73, /Jack de K3FIV
>> 
>> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 13:25 -0800, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, I'll be danged.
>>>> 
>>>> That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to 
>>>> the mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf 
>>>> space with Yaesu, Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so 
>>>> it can be sold "off the shelf".
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was talking with Greg Jurrens about this and he said it requires a 
>>> very expensive chassis and that demand has been so low as to make it 
>>> unreasonable to keep them in stock.
>>> 
>>> But if you want and all-in-one Flex 5000 this is the way to go.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Tim Ellison]

The engineering challenge is that you have two RF emitters in very close 
proximity inside the same faraday cage.  The PC can affect the RX and the 
radio's transmitter can hose up the PC.


-Tim

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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:57 PM
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

Yeah, the rack-mount case is expensive, but I'll bet there is a case out there 
just waiting. I had one a couple years ago with a 5" LCD touch panel on the 
front in a desktop config, very handy, and would make a neat spot to put some 
controls as a second display. Hmmm.. Maybe I'll roll my own




On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Jack Haverty wrote:

> Perhaps a Flex-1500 could fit *inside* some standard tower or desktop 
> PC box, maybe with a small card with connectors to bring the antenna, 
> key, etc. out the back panel.
> 
> 73, /Jack de K3FIV
> 
> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 13:25 -0800, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I'll be danged.
>>> 
>>> That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to 
>>> the mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf 
>>> space with Yaesu, Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so 
>>> it can be sold "off the shelf".
>>> 
>> 
>> I was talking with Greg Jurrens about this and he said it requires a 
>> very expensive chassis and that demand has been so low as to make it 
>> unreasonable to keep them in stock.
>> 
>> But if you want and all-in-one Flex 5000 this is the way to go.
>> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Justin M. Mayrand]

Yeah, the rack-mount case is expensive, but I'll bet there is a case out there 
just waiting. I had one a couple years ago with a 5" LCD touch panel on the 
front in a desktop config, very handy, and would make a neat spot to put some 
controls as a second display. Hmmm.. Maybe I'll roll my own




On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Jack Haverty wrote:

> Perhaps a Flex-1500 could fit *inside* some standard tower or desktop PC
> box, maybe with a small card with connectors to bring the antenna, key,
> etc. out the back panel.
> 
> 73, /Jack de K3FIV
> 
> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 13:25 -0800, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I'll be danged.
>>> 
>>> That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to the
>>> mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf space with
>>> Yaesu, Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so it can be sold
>>> "off the shelf".
>>> 
>> 
>> I was talking with Greg Jurrens about this and he said it requires a very
>> expensive chassis and that demand has been so low as to make it unreasonable
>> to keep them in stock.
>> 
>> But if you want and all-in-one Flex 5000 this is the way to go.
>> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Jack Haverty]

Perhaps a Flex-1500 could fit *inside* some standard tower or desktop PC
box, maybe with a small card with connectors to bring the antenna, key,
etc. out the back panel.

73, /Jack de K3FIV

On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 13:25 -0800, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'll be danged.
> >
> > That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to the
> > mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf space with
> > Yaesu, Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so it can be sold
> > "off the shelf".
> >
> 
> I was talking with Greg Jurrens about this and he said it requires a very
> expensive chassis and that demand has been so low as to make it unreasonable
> to keep them in stock.
> 
> But if you want and all-in-one Flex 5000 this is the way to go.
> 



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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Brian Lloyd]

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
wrote:

> Well, I'll be danged.
>
> That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to the
> mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf space with
> Yaesu, Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so it can be sold
> "off the shelf".
>

I was talking with Greg Jurrens about this and he said it requires a very
expensive chassis and that demand has been so low as to make it unreasonable
to keep them in stock.

But if you want and all-in-one Flex 5000 this is the way to go.

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Justin M. Mayrand]

Well, I'll be danged. 

That may have even been the one I saw. Why have they not moved it to the 
mainstream? I can see a version of this competing for shelf space with Yaesu, 
Icom, etc... Make it with a locked OS/hidden OS so it can be sold "off the 
shelf".




On Dec 19, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Neal Campbell  wrote:
> Hi Justin
> 
> They not only thought of it, they sold it for quite a while! It was called
> the 5000C and had an inbuilt mini-ITX Core 2 Duo computer with dual video
> ports, firewire ports, etc. It ran Windows XP since that was the OS at the
> time it was released.
> 
> You can probably find one on the used equipment boards if you look long and
> hard enough!
> 
> Flex still sells the 5000C but it is now a special-order product. It is much 
> more expensive than the 5000A and there is a fairly long lead-time to get 
> one. But if you really need that all-in-one package, it is the way to go.
> 
> See: http://www.flexradio.com/Products.aspx?topic=F5Kc_details
> 
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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Brian Lloyd]

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Neal Campbell  wrote:

> Hi Justin
>
> They not only thought of it, they sold it for quite a while! It was called
> the 5000C and had an inbuilt mini-ITX Core 2 Duo computer with dual video
> ports, firewire ports, etc. It ran Windows XP since that was the OS at the
> time it was released.
>
> You can probably find one on the used equipment boards if you look long and
> hard enough!
>

Flex still sells the 5000C but it is now a special-order product. It is much
more expensive than the 5000A and there is a fairly long lead-time to get
one. But if you really need that all-in-one package, it is the way to go.

See: http://www.flexradio.com/Products.aspx?topic=F5Kc_details

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Re: [Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Neal Campbell]

Hi Justin

They not only thought of it, they sold it for quite a while! It was called
the 5000C and had an inbuilt mini-ITX Core 2 Duo computer with dual video
ports, firewire ports, etc. It ran Windows XP since that was the OS at the
time it was released.

You can probably find one on the used equipment boards if you look long and
hard enough!

73
Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal Software
www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
(540) 645 5394






On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Justin M. Mayrand
wrote:

> I saw someplace an SDR that was built into a rack mount PC as an all-in-one
> solution - just add monitor and KB/mouse. Has Flex considered this? A locked
> operation system (LINUX?) would prevent issues, and they could control the
> hardware and OS. Seems like a "next step" so dealers can sell them "off the
> shelf". Thoughts?
>
>
> 
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Brad A. Steffler wrote:
>
> >
> > As a noob to SDR and a returning ham after 28 years QRT, I bought a new
> 5000a (at my wife's insistence, no less) at the Huntsville hamfest. I got on
> 75 Meters and I thought the band was in terrible shape ". While there were
> no static crashes, the overall noise level was awful. It was not what I
> rtemembered for the 80-75 meter band in the winter. I think I have a severe
> power line noise problem near me. My question is about the waterfall
> display. The background color is hot pink. The background will go to
> blue-green with some black, if I disconnect the antenna.  I infer that I
> have a terrific powerline radiator nearby. Is this correct. Oh, I might add
> that when I took out my truck and tuned the AM radio to 1.5 MHz, a clear
> area, I got almost deafening noise near two poles about 100 ft from my
> house.
> >
> > Brad A. Steffler
> > KE4XJ
> >
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[Flexradio] Flex+PC all in one

[Justin M. Mayrand]

I saw someplace an SDR that was built into a rack mount PC as an all-in-one 
solution - just add monitor and KB/mouse. Has Flex considered this? A locked 
operation system (LINUX?) would prevent issues, and they could control the 
hardware and OS. Seems like a "next step" so dealers can sell them "off the 
shelf". Thoughts?




On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Brad A. Steffler wrote:

> 
> As a noob to SDR and a returning ham after 28 years QRT, I bought a new 5000a 
> (at my wife's insistence, no less) at the Huntsville hamfest. I got on 75 
> Meters and I thought the band was in terrible shape ". While there were no 
> static crashes, the overall noise level was awful. It was not what I 
> rtemembered for the 80-75 meter band in the winter. I think I have a severe 
> power line noise problem near me. My question is about the waterfall display. 
> The background color is hot pink. The background will go to blue-green with 
> some black, if I disconnect the antenna.  I infer that I have a terrific 
> powerline radiator nearby. Is this correct. Oh, I might add that when I took 
> out my truck and tuned the AM radio to 1.5 MHz, a clear area, I got almost 
> deafening noise near two poles about 100 ft from my house.
> 
> Brad A. Steffler
> KE4XJ
> 
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