Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus Pro?
I just looked at the Pegasus Plus (didn't see the Pro version) program and don't see how it relates to the 2M transverter other than it deals with displaying the conversion correctly and can deal with the Flex series (anything that talks to a Kenwood 2000 should do that also). It will output the band information to the parallel port. To use that feature you should seriously look at Elecraft's KCR2 or roll your own. Hook the KCR2 up using the parallel port, use the power output side to "turn on" the transverter (goes in through the 9 pin connector on the transverter and set the jumpers in the transverter to respond to it - if you need help I can look at how I set mine up - Elecraft doesn't talk about it). You can also drive the KCR2 using ddutil. I have used the Flex 1500 and the Elecraft 2M transverter and it works well. I used it in the last VHF contest. As far as general usage of the transverter you will need to contact Flex and get the unlock key so that you can cover the entire 2M band starting at 28MHz up through 32MHz. The transverter is rated to go from 144 to 145.999 but with an unlocked 1500 you can go all the way up to 148MHz. You will find that the sensitivity drops by 3dB when up around 146MHz. I use it regularly to talk through the local repeaters but none of the ones I use require PL. Use the second VFO, set to transmit the 600KHz offset. I have gotten good reports on FM through the repeaters, set the deviation (its in one of the setup menus) and set the filters wide to hear the whole repeater bandwidth. I connect the transverter using the transverter I/O on the shared receive / transmit transverter output from the 1500. I also put a 50 ohm dummy load on the transverter IF link to the next transverter so if it isn't selected, the radio sees 50 ohms. I set the PowerSDR to use the VHF channels and dialed in the correction factors for the crystal inaccuracy (mine is about 12KHz off) and the gain (my transverter has about 25db of gain). I plan on adding the other 2 transveters and a couple from DownEast for SVHF. Make sure that you have the PTT enabled coming out of the 1500 and it is properly connected to the transverter ... otherwise you may damage the transverter receiver. Note that the gain of the transverter is enough to potentially cause some issues with really loud stations in the passband of the front end. I had troubles with the 1500 overloading but it was a pretty extreme case (the problem station was coming in at -53dBm to the antenna and I had the 25dB of gain out of the transverter compensated for - that means the 1500 saw a -28dBm signal which will overloaded the A/D). I hope I answered the correct question. Tom WB8COX On 2/6/2011 5:25 PM, Mike Ellerson wrote: This might be Blasphemy on this reflector but……… I am considering adding an Elecraft 2 meter transverter to my Flex 1500, but I understand that the FM deviation on PowerSdr is currently borked and no PL tones are supported. I know this being worked on. I was wondering if anyone with a V/U unit or transverter has tried the Pegasus Pro software from http://n4py.weebly.com/ to see if the FM mode works correctly? There is some PL tone support, but I don’t think for the Flex. You can download a 10 day trial if you want to just test it :) The developer says that he will develop requested features quickly :) Thanks Mike KS4JU ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus Pro?
It looks like you still run powerSDR for the flex radio, the Pegasus program is used to control some other rig and powerSDR. Looks like they don't even transmit through the flex radio, just use it as a synced frequency wise receiver. 73 - Mike WA8BXN ---Original Message--- From: Mike Ellerson Date: 02/06/11 18:25:19 To: Flex Radio Reflector Subject: [Flexradio] Pegasus Pro? This might be Blasphemy on this reflector but I am considering adding an Elecraft 2 meter transverter to my Flex 1500, but I understand that the FM deviation on PowerSdr is currently borked and no PL tones are supported. I know this being worked on. I was wondering if anyone with a V/U unit or transverter has tried the Pegasus Pro software from http://n4py.weebly.com/ to see if the FM mode works correctly? There is some PL tone support, but I dont think for the Flex. You can download a 10 day trial if you want to just test it :) The developer says that he will develop requested features quickly :) Thanks Mike KS4JU ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
[Flexradio] Pegasus Pro?
This might be Blasphemy on this reflector but……… I am considering adding an Elecraft 2 meter transverter to my Flex 1500, but I understand that the FM deviation on PowerSdr is currently borked and no PL tones are supported. I know this being worked on. I was wondering if anyone with a V/U unit or transverter has tried the Pegasus Pro software from http://n4py.weebly.com/ to see if the FM mode works correctly? There is some PL tone support, but I don’t think for the Flex. You can download a 10 day trial if you want to just test it :) The developer says that he will develop requested features quickly :) Thanks Mike KS4JU ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus
--- Rob Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was > apparent that the typical > ham, or typical ten tec customer at least, wanted a front > panel and knobs. > I do not now if, and for how long, that will affect their > future product designs. The Pegasus does (did) have significantly more potential in it than was ever exploited. Yes the N4PY software does a lot of neat stuff (and I like it a lot), but it never really escaped the knobs and buttons paradigm completely (despite some of my best lobbying efforts). The same could be said for the Callsign software package. In any case, it is now largely moot, the Flex models have so much more potential in them than the Pegasus does (did) simply because of the fundamental architecture differences. Never mind the fact that they are excellent packages "as is" today. And based on my observations a good many of those who like(d) the Pegasus are now here. No doubt further lessening the likelihood of a follow-on model for the Pegasus from TT. > My admittedly subjective assesment of Kenwood's > computer-run box > verson of the the TS-2000, is that it also did not do very > well in sales, compared to the front panel rig. It is a text book example of how not to design a PC driven radio. Never mind the total lack of interest from Kenwood from a marketing perspective. Also the supplied software was rather ho-hum to boot. And then to top it off new versions of software with truly new enhancements were far and few between, if any. They apparently thought that what they original wrote was a "finished product" and didn't need any follow-on development. If that is the attitude a radio manufacturer takes with their "SDR" radios, then they deserve to fail in the market place. A successful SDR is never "finished". > Regardless of the opinion here, and this is > a niche group, the major manufacturers seem to believe that > for the time being, > the vast majority of hams want traditional rigs. To me, > that is the reason why > there have not been any PC box-rigs from Elecraft, TT, SGC, > Hiberling or the JA companies. Just as it is hard for many end users to approach it all with an open mind, and have no preconceived notions of how a radio is "supposed" to look and work (user control wise), it also hard for established manufactures to do the same. And if you are a manufacturer who's had decades of success applying the mass consumer electronics bells and whistles "knobetry" to ham radio gear, then you will fail to see the potential of a totally different approach. One that can only be afforded by what PC's and their related technologies can bring into the radio game. But as time goes on the Flex approach will become less and less of a niche, having months of order backlog would seem to suggest that is the case. > It seems that Flex-Radio knows the limits of > this market, given the forthcoming 5000D. It will be interesting to watch the comparative customer uptake of the various flavors of the 5000. I personally don't have a need to use knobs for tuning around the band all. Just for fun every now and then, sure, but a "need", no way. In fact if I really want to zip around a lot they are just plain cumbersome to use. And then to have a panadapter showing me all those signals that I can't really get to quickly because of a knob (no point and click) would be just plain frustrating. Duane N9DG Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus
Without getting into a big argument over it, the Pegasus had and still has a better receiver than many higher priced rigs. And if Ten Tec would offer regular firmware upgrades, they'd have even more customers for the Jupiter. By the way, N4PY's software offers some clever improvements to the operation of both rigs. I own both radios and do run the Jupiter in Pegasus emulation mode for the most part. Mike NU4Q On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:17:09 -0700 Rob Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Let's not use obsolete/failed paradigms to forecast the future. > > The Peg, 2K, and Kachina offered only a user interface change in the name > of cost reduction. No performance improvements. The cost reduction > wasn't enough to wean hams from their knobs. > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus
Hi Let's not use obsolete/failed paradigms to forecast the future. The Peg, 2K, and Kachina offered only a user interface change in the name of cost reduction. No performance improvements. The cost reduction wasn't enough to wean hams from their knobs. FlexRadio is real technology breakthrough! It has the potential lower the cost and increase performance at the same time. The SDR1K did just this! Yet with the SDR5K flex-radio offers only performance improvements without price reduction. (Because only a very small segment of high end hams will fork out $3000 to $4000 for a new rig (SDR box + a new computer.)) So there you have it Ten Tec, Kenwood and Kachina tried to offer cost reductions without performance improvements, while flexRadio with the SDR5K is trying to offer performance improvements without (significant) cost reduction. I still suggest that an entry level version crafted to give both cost reduction and performance improvement would be a huge benefit to our cause. Particularly if there were an upgrade path. It didn't take the world long to figure iron arrowheads work a lot better then bronze. Particularly when the cost of iron dropped below the cost of bronze. To gain market share with the vast majority of hams, FlexRadio needs to offer a low end option that takes advantage of both price and performance! This entry level "SDR2K" can be crafted easily and at very low development cost and time from the existing SDR5K and powerSDR. I say let's get on with it! 73's Rob ;o)~ AB7CF Ps. As counter example to the failed paradigms, there are a hoard of DXLabs users whom make use of a very primitive (from a GUI standpoint) CI-V Commander for rig control.The paradigm shift is maximum use of the web for DXspotting with one click rig control. Yet it is enough to drag us away from front panels. We DXLaber's train ourselves never to take our eyes off the screen to look at those funny appendages on the radio box. R. ;o))~ . On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:52:26 -0500 "Rob Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > << Pegasus radios made. Far more than the Kachinas 505's. I do > have to wonder though how many Jupiters are run a majority of > the time in Pegasus emulation mode. I suspect quite a few. I > do know that for my purposes the Pegs have served me *very* > well. In fact they played a big role in steering me into the > whole world of Flex and PC based SDR's in general.>>> > > Duane, > > I was at ten tec a few years ago visiting during their annual > hamfest. > the previous winter they had announced that the Peg would be > discontinued > and after remaining stock was sold that would be it. Someone asked > Jack > Burchfield why they discontinued it and he said that when they > brought out the > Jupiter, Pegasus sales dropped dramatically. It was apparent that > the typical > ham, or typical ten tec customer at least, wanted a front panel and > knobs. > I do not now if, and for how long, that will affect their future > product > designs. My admittedly subjective assesment of Kenwood's > computer-run box > verson of the the TS-2000, is that it also did not do very well in > sales, > compared to the front panel rig. Regardless of the opinion here, > and this is > a niche group, the major manufacturers seem to believe that for the > time being, > the vast majority of hams want traditional rigs. To me, that is the > reason why > there have not been any PC box-rigs from Elecraft, TT, SGC, > Hiberling or the > JA companies. It seems that Flex-Radio knows the limits of this > market, given > the forthcoming 5000D. > > 73, > > rob / k5uj > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments /20071001/85f79b06/attachment.html > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071001/b5581941/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Pegasus
<<>> Duane, I was at ten tec a few years ago visiting during their annual hamfest. the previous winter they had announced that the Peg would be discontinued and after remaining stock was sold that would be it. Someone asked Jack Burchfield why they discontinued it and he said that when they brought out the Jupiter, Pegasus sales dropped dramatically. It was apparent that the typical ham, or typical ten tec customer at least, wanted a front panel and knobs. I do not now if, and for how long, that will affect their future product designs. My admittedly subjective assesment of Kenwood's computer-run box verson of the the TS-2000, is that it also did not do very well in sales, compared to the front panel rig. Regardless of the opinion here, and this is a niche group, the major manufacturers seem to believe that for the time being, the vast majority of hams want traditional rigs. To me, that is the reason why there have not been any PC box-rigs from Elecraft, TT, SGC, Hiberling or the JA companies. It seems that Flex-Radio knows the limits of this market, given the forthcoming 5000D. 73, rob / k5uj -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071001/85f79b06/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?
I have both. The SDR-1000 has not yet replaced the Pegasus for what I mainly do here. They are actually very different radios. I currently use a small fleet of 6 Pegasus radios in a multi-band V-UHF contest/DX station. The PowerSDR software isn't yet to the point that I can do the same things control wise that I can already do with the Pegasus heard and 4 simultaneous sessions of N4PY software. With the new PowerSDR architecture coming I hope that I can then start implementing what I'm now doing with the Pegs by using multiple SDR-1000's or perhaps a transverter IF specialized derivative model. In reality the SDR-1000/PowerSDR holds the potential for far exceeding what I'm doing with the Pegs. So needless to say I do see the SDR-1000 as the future. For some comments about some direct comparisons (mostly subjective) see this posting I made to the Ten Tec group last summer: http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/TenTec/2005-06/msg00266.html Much of it is still applicable. My comment about the low band overload I have not seen since applying ECO 20 & 25. Duane N9DG --- Craig Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone "transitioned" from a Ten Tec Pegasus to a > FlexRadio? If so, > what are your comparative impressions, please? > > Thanks and 73, > > Craig > W3CRR __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?
Craig, How about a Ten Tec Jupiter? Same radio but the Jupiter has a front panel. I have the use of a Jupiter which belongs to our radio club, as I am the current custodian of it, and I own a SDR-1000 with 100 watt amplifier and antenna tuner. I use the Pegasus software from Ten Tec and from N4PY in my computer to control the Jupiter. Big difference from the SDR-1000. For the SDR-1000, it uses a different concept than the Jupiter/Pegasus and of all other transceivers on the market now, including the software controlled transceivers. The hardware is essentially broad band, and with the built antenna tuner tunes the entire band down to the IF where it is narrow band. The Jupiter, after the RF amplifier which receives the entire band, tunes a narrow band, the width of which is the width of the roofing filter, which I believe is 15 KHz on the Jupiter. That means that the SDR-1000 can be overloaded by a very strong signal within the entire band, and the Jupiter with a very strong signal within the roofing filter. I have both radios, and at a suburban with the only super DX hunter ham station about 5 miles away, have not seen this happen on either, but the potential is there. Most modern transceivers have two or three IF stages which have some advantages but introduce birdies and IMD. The SDR-1000 has a single IF; only the K2 and some simple QRP transceivers have a single IF. The SDR-1000 can do practically anything the things the transceivers with two or three IF can do. The only exception I can think of is the tuneable notch filter. Neither the K2 or the SDR-1000 can do that. I think it could be implemented in either; in the SDR-1000 in software, while the K2 would have to have some hardware mods. (I have 2 K2s). The Jupiter comes with downloadable code to change its internal computer, which is rarely changed. Like all other transceivers, the internal computers inside the Jupiter do all the signal processing. The external computer just does the display and radio control processing. In other words, the external software for the Jupiter is a software front panel, when the Jupiter is operated in the Pegasus mode. So the only thing you can change without changing the internal program are the display and external processing. N4PY releases about 4 updates of the external program a year. Ten-Tec recently released an update on the internal code on the Jupiter, and it's the first update I have seen in the 18 months we have had the Jupiter. The SDR-1000 hardware box on the other hand, just does the DDS (VFO), RF stages, mixer, audio interface and interface to the computer and other external devices. All the signal processing is done in the external computer. It has been updated frequently; currently on an average of every two weeks. The radio has a lot of advanced features in signal processing, display, and interface functions that no other radio on the market now has. The software comes in two versions, one is a thoroughly tested version with features that were locked in at the time of release. The other beta version has new features that are released to the community for test and trial. So you have the advantage of a entire community of ham operators and receiver designers testing the code for bugs and operability. The bugs are worked out in the beta version and new features are changed to improve operability. Not so on the Jupiter. The internal code is locked in at the time of release, and new features are rarely if ever released; mostly the new versions of the internal code are bug fixes or to improve the operation of advertised features. So the bottom line is that the SDR-1000 has features rivaling and some exceeding the newest top-of-the line transceivers on the market, and the Jupiter having features consistent with a mid-priced transceiver at the time of original release. The cost of a SDR-1000 is about the same as a new Jupiter. The operation of the Jupiter with external software or the front panel is about the same as other mid-level transceivers of the same price class. It has variable DSP receive filters that can be narrowed from very narrow to very wide. It's transmit filters are fixed at an average quality transmitted signal. It has the traditional Ten-Tec QSK keying. The SDR-1000 only has semi-break in keying. Having used both, to do not find the semi-break in keying to be a large disadvantage. You can listen between words at my CW speed. The front panel in the Jupiter has a multipurpose knob that takes awhile getting used to, and many of the features of the rig are menu driven. For me, that means I have to refer to the instruction manual to change dozens of functions on the radio. This is not true of the Pegasus, or the Jupiter using the supplied software from Ten-Tec or from N4PY. The SDR-1000 has control of transmitted audio as well as receved audio, using excellent DSP narrow band
Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?
Craig Roberts wrote: Has anyone "transitioned" from a Ten Tec Pegasus to a FlexRadio? If so, what are your comparative impressions, please? Or, for that matter, from the combination of Ham Radio DeLuxe and a more convetional, high-end modern transceiver? 73 Frank AB2KT
[Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?
Has anyone "transitioned" from a Ten Tec Pegasus to a FlexRadio? If so, what are your comparative impressions, please? Thanks and 73, Craig W3CRR
