Re: [Flexradio] SDR-1000 clone ...

2007-01-06 Thread Ahti Aintila
Krister and Willy,

I totally agree with your opinions otherwise, but the copy or clone
should always in ALL respects be an improvement over the original
design. That the German copy is not. Obviously the worst mistake Mr.
Dipl.-Ing. H.-J. Kneisner made is that he did not know or understand
that Frank's DttSP is not public domain.

If we call Mr. Kneisner's clone immoral, much better is not
FlexRadio's decision to pull off the receive only and 1W versions
as well as selling the boards as a set of two, three or four. I
uderstand the inventory burden, but perhaps the prices should be
adjusted accordingly.

BTW, I am using four sets of SDR-1000 as: a) an industrial measurement
device where only TRX board is used, b) a ham band 1W transceiver and
an RF spectrum analyzer, c) a general coverage HF monitor receiver
and d) the fourth with the 100 W module is going to function as my
desktop ham band transceiver together with my desktop computer. Still
I would need a self contained back-pack radio to replace and conquer
the domains of rice-boxes.
For a reference, here is the copy of Willi's message:
--
I do not understand Flex-Radio´s move either. There is a large potential for
selling a receiver-only version without 1 W or 100 W PA to radiotic
individuals like VLF, LF, MW,  short-wave listeners and beacon hun-ters
which are excluded as possible buyers because they are not licensed hams. To
this group of non-radiant radio enthusiasts  the SDR1k is barely known and
they are barred out already before the goods news of its existence reaches
them.
Hope that so many replies to this topic  lets Flex-Radio reconsider its
move.
vy 73 es gl
SM6OMH  Willi
--
73,
Ahti OH2RZ

On 06/01/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm... definitely an interesting situation, perhaps a bit more complicated 
 than it seems at first. Could be some work for lawyers here as well. But what 
 kind of infringement might have been committed by the German company? I could 
 be wrong now, but I don't think Flexradio owns any hardware patents related 
 to the radio, many if not all circuit details have been rather extensively 
 published years ago. Maybe someone else has one or three patents, though. In 
 electronics it's practically impossible to do anything at all without 
 infringing some patent, seems that the tiniest little trivial detail has been 
 patented by someone.

 Flexradio probably has one or more copyrights for the hardware design. But at 
 least the German company did not violate any PCB copyrights, their design 
 definitely is not a direct copy. Perhaps there is a copyright violation re 
 the schematic drawings, difficult to say without detailed comparisons.

 Of course, the ethical considerations are even more interesting than the 
 legal ones, and here we could be skating on some pretty thin ice. Is it 
 unethical to use the PowerSDR with any hardware not purchased from Flexradio? 
 In my ever so humble opinion this attitude would be a bit too extreme. The 
 PowerSDR is used in the HPSDR project as well, with completely different 
 hardware. The difference, though, is that HPSDR is noncommercial, at least 
 for now, whereas the German company is taking advantage of the PowerSDR to 
 hawk their commercial product. On the other hand, I really don't think the 
 German company will receive a large number of orders from the US of A, and 
 the price is not exactly undercutting Flexradio either.

 As for publishing the existence of the SDR-1000 clone, I did it because 
 there was a lot of valid concern regarding the discontinuation of the 1W 
 version.  I thought this list is a forum for the exchange of ALL 
 Flexradio-related information, and didn't see any reason for self-censorship.

 And finally, let me add that I have nothing but the greatest admiration and 
 respect for the outstanding and truly groundbreaking work done by the 
 Flexradio team. However, I don't think we need to canonize the original 
 design and put it above all criticism. EVERY design is always a compromise, 
 and so there's always one or more details that could have been done otherwise 
 or even better. For instance, one has to admit that the original 3-board 
 design is a real kludge, however I'm NOT saying I'd have done it better at 
 the time. At least in this detail the German clone is an improvement, like it 
 or not.

 But I'm sure the Flexradio team is already busy at work with some amazing new 
 design that will receive the deepest admiration of us all, and sell like 
 hotcakes, too!

 Best regards,

 Krister OH2MLQ
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[Flexradio] SDR-1000 clone ...

2007-01-05 Thread Larry W8ER
Guys,

This reflector is a valuable tool provided by Gerald and the guys at Flex 
for us SDR-1000 owners. I think using it to broadcast news of a clone, and 
links to more information about it, is a disservice to them. While the code 
developed by Eric and Bob and others, with our help, is public domain .. how 
would you feel if you provided all of these facilities and all of the 
programming manpower to enhance the SDR-1000 to have someone out of the 
country develop a competing product and undercut you. Not only that, they 
encourage their clients to come to these facilities to get the other half of 
what makes their thing work! I think a line has been crossed!

-- Larry W8ER 


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