re: [Flightgear-devel] Good news?

2002-07-05 Thread Jim Wilson

David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Gene Buckle writes:
> 
>  > It was announced today that Blender (a 3D modelling tool) will be released
>  > as open source.  See http://www.blender3d.com for more info.
>  > 
>  > Might this be a good tool for doing buildings & airframes?
> 
> It has been so far.
> 

Wow...great news!  Hope they can pull it off (with GPL).

Best,

Jim

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Controls controls.cxx,1.21,1.22 controls.hxx,1.21,1.22

2002-07-05 Thread Jon Berndt

> ...or, between aircraft for in-flight refuelling? 
> 
> ..(during the Falklands War, the Britts tested refuelling of Harriers
> and Sea Harriers, from ships, in-hover refuelling, believe I saw this 
> in Air Progress magazine in the mid 80'ies.)

exactly.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Controls controls.cxx,1.21,1.22 controls.hxx,1.21,1.22

2002-07-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:37:10 -0500, 
"Jon Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> FWIW, JSBSim sets no maximum for number of tanks. I'm not sure how
> this might be affected by lack of ability to control them. Also, is
> there a standard way to select a source tank and a destination tank 
> in order to cross feed or to replenish one tank from another?

...or, between aircraft for in-flight refuelling? 

..(during the Falklands War, the Britts tested refuelling of Harriers
and Sea Harriers, from ships, in-hover refuelling, believe I saw this 
in Air Progress magazine in the mid 80'ies.)

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  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: Customized Joystick Bindings and Autodetection

2002-07-05 Thread Julian Foad

David Megginson wrote:
> 
> I've just checked in a new patch for automatic joystick type detection
> (where available).  NOTE: it will work *only* if you have a recent (2
> months or so) CVS version of plib.

The present sets of bindings result in the throttle being "squared" about its centre, 
which is silly.  This is because the "squared" parameter is not set by the throttle 
binding, but the default is "true".  We discussed this before and I think there was 
general agreement that the default should be "false" on the basis of generality.

Therefore may I request this change to the default (in src/Main/fg_commands.cxx):

  class PropertyCommandState : public SGCommandState
  {
  ...
virtual const SGPropertyNode * getSquared () const 
- { return _squared ? _squared : &_dummy_1; }
+ { return _squared ? _squared : &_dummy_0; }
  ...
  };

Thanks.

- Julian

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re: [Flightgear-devel] Good news?

2002-07-05 Thread David Megginson

Gene Buckle writes:

 > It was announced today that Blender (a 3D modelling tool) will be released
 > as open source.  See http://www.blender3d.com for more info.
 > 
 > Might this be a good tool for doing buildings & airframes?

It has been so far.


All the best,


David

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[Flightgear-devel] Good news?

2002-07-05 Thread Gene Buckle

It was announced today that Blender (a 3D modelling tool) will be released
as open source.  See http://www.blender3d.com for more info.

Might this be a good tool for doing buildings & airframes?

g.



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RE: [Flightgear-devel] re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Controls controls.cxx,1.21,1.22 controls.hxx,1.21,1.22

2002-07-05 Thread Jon Berndt

> > The only question is how high to set MAX_TANKS.  Eight?  Twelve?
> > Sixteen?
>
> Is there a reason to have a maximum?  (Does the property system
> require it?) I always prefer to allocate as necessary to avoid
predefined
> limits.  As soon as you set a limit, someone will come along with an
> example of something that can't be done within that limit...

FWIW, JSBSim sets no maximum for number of tanks. I'm not sure how this
might be affected by lack of ability to control them. Also, is there a
standard way to select a source tank and a destination tank in order to
cross feed or to replenish one tank from another?

Jon



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom Config for Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback

2002-07-05 Thread Christopher S Horler

I've got MS Sidewinder Precision 2, but I'm guessing that it would be similar 
to Frederic's.  Also I only use some of the buttons (the top hat for view, 2 
buttons for trim and two for flaps, 1 for brakes, and obviously the axis for 
yaw, roll, pitch, and thrust - leaving 3 unconfigured buttons).

Let me know if it's needed meanwhile I'll check out the one in CVS and see if 
it might be useable on my joystick.

Later,

Chris

On Thursday 04 Jul 2002 9:40 pm, David Megginson wrote:
> Frederic Bouvier has kindly contributed a custom joystick config file
> for the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback joystick (see
> Input/Joysticks/Microsoft/ in the base package).  Any other
> submissions?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> David


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: Customized Joystick Bindings and Autodetection

2002-07-05 Thread Julian Foad

I (Julian Foad) wrote:
> 
> For my Saitek "Cyborg 3D Gold USB" joystick, that gave:
> 
>   Joystick test program.
>   ~~
>   Joystick 0: "Microsoft PC-joystick driver"
>   Joystick 1 not detected
>   ...
> 
> which is presumably because I haven't bothered to install Saitek's driver, because 
>the default Windows one does the job.  Some other people will have done the same, of 
>course, but there's not a lot we can do about it.
> 

Hmmm... Saitek's "driver" for the "Cyborg 3D Gold USB" is called Saitek Gaming 
Extensions (e.g. SGEv3.exe).  This is NOT a joystick driver (the default Windows 
driver is used) but just facilites for customising the joystick for different games.  
I installed it but it did not change the name reported.  Does this happen with all USB 
joysticks?

- Julian

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ANN: Customized Joystick Bindings and Autodetection

2002-07-05 Thread Julian Foad

David Megginson wrote:
> 
> I've just checked in a new patch for automatic joystick type detection
> (where available).  NOTE: it will work *only* if you have a recent (2
> months or so) CVS version of plib.
> 
...
> 
> Please send me your bindings for your own device.  Under Linux, you
> can find the device name with a command like
> 
>   jstest /dev/js0 | less
> 
> (You must include any trailing spaces.)

May I offer this patch which will help non-Linux users find their joysticks' names:

  Index: js_demo.cxx
  ===
  RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.7/FlightGear/src/Input/js_demo.cxx,v
  retrieving revision 1.1
  diff -u -3 -p -d -r1.1 js_demo.cxx
  --- js_demo.cxx 4 Jun 2001 19:26:53 -   1.1
  +++ js_demo.cxx 5 Jul 2002 17:47:09 -
  @@ -26,9 +26,12 @@ int main ( int, char ** )
 t = 0;
 for ( i = 0; i < Z; i++ )
 { useful[i] = ! ( js[i]->notWorking () );
  -if ( useful[i] )
  +if ( useful[i] ) {
t++;
  -else printf ( "Joystick %i not detected\n", i ) ;
  +#ifdef FG_PLIB_JOYSTICK_GETNAME
  + printf ( "Joystick %i: \"%s\"\n", i, js[i]->getName() ) ;
  +#endif
  +} else printf ( "Joystick %i not detected\n", i ) ;
 }
 if ( t == 0 ) exit ( 1 ) ;
  

For my Saitek "Cyborg 3D Gold USB" joystick, that gave:

  Joystick test program.
  ~~
  Joystick 0: "Microsoft PC-joystick driver"
  Joystick 1 not detected
  ...

which is presumably because I haven't bothered to install Saitek's driver, because the 
default Windows one does the job.  Some other people will have done the same, of 
course, but there's not a lot we can do about it.

On a related note (Windows compatibility), a given joystick's axes are sometimes 
numbered differently under Windows and under Linux.  This is nearly always true for 
the hat switch with the present version of PLIB.  Therefore we should either:
- provide different configurations for the same joystick under different OSs; or
- make PLIB present the axes numbered in the same way under all OSs.

PLIB is supposed to provide cross-platform portability, so obviously the latter should 
be attempted.  It is not a simple bug in PLIB, it is a slightly complicated issue due 
to the different ways the joystick interface is provided by the different OSs, and may 
rely on cooperation from the vendor driver writers.  I will raise the issue on the 
PLIB list.


One more point: it would be good to separate the joystick axis number-to-name mappings 
(axis 0 = left/right, axis 2 = twist, axis 3 = slider, etc) from the name-to-function 
mappings (left/right = ailerons, twist = rudder, etc.).  At least, if we don't 
separate them, we should probably make sure that all of our joystick mapping files 
give the same functions.  It would be silly if users find that the twist axis controls 
rudder when they use some types of joystick, but controls view direction when they use 
other types.

I have hat fwd/back mapped to elevator trim.  Are we standardising on the hat 
controlling view direction (for the supplied bindings; I know I can keep my local 
changes)?

- Julian

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