[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear runs cleanly on AMD64 in 64 bit mode
I just noticed that the Debian autobuilder had quietly gone off and made AMD64 packages to run FlightGear 0.9.4 and all its dependencies in 64-bit. I did "sudo apt-get install flightgear" and "fgfs" ... and it ran fine. The framerate was just over 1fps, but that's because the laptop has the ATI 9600 chipset so I have to choose between the unaccelerated open source driver or the 32-bit only accelerated closed source driver from ATI. I used the accelerated driver, running in a chroot on a biarch kernel, but ATI's kernel module doesn't compile for 64-bit so I couldn't use it. Just thought you'd like to know ... 8-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:46:24 +0200
Durk Talsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Last week, Erik Hofman was kind enough to commit the first version of a
> traffic manager into cvs. Since then, I've been hinting at the
> exsistence of this system, but because I was a little low on time so I
> didn't have a chance to tell more about it.
This is very very cool. I have one recommendation -- put a copy of
this message on the wiki? Updated in the future as there's more to
say about it, that sort of thing? I've been searching through
mailing list archives the last couple of days, looking for descriptions
of the possible elements (and possible values of elements) for different
.xml files. Putting this stuff in the wiki would be good.
> So, what is the traffic manager? Simply put, it's a subsystem that
> maintains a database of routes that will be flown by aircraft listed in
> this database. Based on these routing tables, it tracks the approximate
> position of each aircraft, and when one of these aircraft come within
> range of the user (currently hard coded as less than 500 nm), the
> traffic manager creates an AIAircraft, which then continues to fly it's
> assigned route.
Do you have any kind of feel for what the overhead of this is? How
many concurrent routes can the traffic manager handle at once without
significantly impacting the simulator? How many AI aircraft can
that component handle?
> These traffic schedules can be found in ${FGROOT}/data/Traffic. Each
> route needs to have flightplan associated with it, in
> ${FGROOT}/data/Data/AI/FlightPlans/ These are named -.xml, where
> is the ICAO code for the departure airport and the ICAO code
> of the arrival airport.
Is this a general thing? For instance, let's say two different planes
fly from EHAM to KSFO. Will they both have to use that same EHAM-KSFO.xml
as their flight plan? I looked in the PH-KC? files and didn't see an
entry that specified the flight plan file, which makes me think the flight
plan would be generic to any planes flying that route. True? I guess
the auto-flightplan-generation will change this, but I'm just curious
how it works.
Thanks.
-c
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish? Space-Island
Oliver C. wrote: BTW some days ago i found this website: http://www.space-island.de This website is from a company that offers flight simulator rides on their motion plattform simulators. They use for their "B747 Power - Flights programme" Flightgear as flight simulator. These screenshots should prove that: http://www.space-island.de/bildergallerie.html Now what i wanted to mention is, they note and thank nearly everyone on their website that helped them putting this project up but they don't mention or thank the flightgear community and developers at all: http://www.space-island.de/partner.html I am not sure but is this behaviour really okay from a GPL perspective? I need to be quick to point out here that the Space Island guys contacted me to let me know what they were doing. I've been delinquent in putting something up on our web site. I think this is a legitimate and interesting use of FlightGear. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish? Space-Island
On Friday 11 June 2004 14:22, Erik Hofman wrote: > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these > > guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? > > > > http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 > > As far as I can decipher it (based on a number of words I do somehow > recognize) it's just another magazine article that is quite positive > about FlightGear. It seems to mention it is Freeware and talks a bit > about the amount of scenery available. > > I wouldn't worry too much. BTW some days ago i found this website: http://www.space-island.de This website is from a company that offers flight simulator rides on their motion plattform simulators. They use for their "B747 Power - Flights programme" Flightgear as flight simulator. These screenshots should prove that: http://www.space-island.de/bildergallerie.html Now what i wanted to mention is, they note and thank nearly everyone on their website that helped them putting this project up but they don't mention or thank the flightgear community and developers at all: http://www.space-island.de/partner.html I am not sure but is this behaviour really okay from a GPL perspective? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Flightgear-devel anyone read Polish
Finally, something I can help with! 8-) In much of the world (Poland included) you pay per impulse (about 3 minutes) even for a local call. So downloading can be expensive if you use dialup. They've got 10 copies for sale, buy now for 30 PLN (polish zloties) around 9 USD. A rough translation (2nd have of the page after the auction specifics) below, quoted text is the original Polish: Welcome to my auction I am presenting FlightGear an Ultra realistic flight simulator. Why spend more than 200 zl (about 50 usd or so) for this product, which you can have for much less when flying emotions are the same. The realism of the game permits one to learn the secrets of (plane) flight -- preserving realistic flight physics and control of the plane, there are a lot of planes to chose from. The game offers the possibility of flying practically over the entire globe (see below) FlightGear is a game which is 100% free. You may download it from the internet. You need to download more than 90 mb at once from the internet and there are a lot of extras also. The price which I sell this game for is a sum paid as I downloaded and prepared the game for you. Upon paying to my bank account, I will pay for free shipping. If you buy from me, you get: The game on 1 cd Instructions in English (pdf on the cd) Instalation instructions and Fast Start in Polish Maps of the usa (partial) and Poland and areas to fly in (on the cd) All in a boxed DVD case Witam na mojej aukcji. Przedstawiam FlightGear Ultra realistyczny symulator lotu. Po co wydawaç ponad 200z∏ za produkt, który mo˝na mieç za o wiele ni˝szà cen´ i do tego emocje z latania sà identyczne. Realizm gry pozwala na poznanie tajników lotu samolotem z zachowaniem bardzo realistycznej fizyki lotu oraz obs∏ugi samolotu. a jest ich do wyboru pokaêna iloÊç. Do tego gra oferuj´ mo˝liwoÊç latania praktycznie na ca∏ej kuli ziemskiej ( o tym ni˝ej). FlightGear to gra która jest w 100% darmowa. Mo˝esz jà sciàgnàç z internetu, Tylko ˝e sciàgni´cie ponad 90Mb na raz z internetu to nie lada wyczyn a do tego dochodzà ró˝ne inne dodatki. Cena, za którà sprzedaj´ t´ gr´ to suma dzi´ki której jà sciàgno∏em i przygotowa∏em te gr´ dla Ciebie, Przy w p∏acie na konto przesy∏ka gratis . JeÊli kupisz u mnie tà gr´, dostaniesz : * Gra na jednym 1CD * Instrukcja w wersji angielskiej (PDF na p∏ycie) * Instrukcja instalacji oraz szybkiego startu gry w jez. Polskim * Mapy USA(czeÊç), Polski i okolic do latania (na p∏ycie) * wszystko w pude∏ku DVD case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:24:56 -0400 Chris Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have some friends here whose parents came from Poland and who are > in both spoken and written Polish. Uh, that should have been ". . .who are fluent in both spoken and written Polish." -c (looks like I can't claim fluency in written English at this point) -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpr94yx5ITam.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:14:43 -0500 "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these > guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? > > http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 > > They are our top web site referrer this month which is how I noticed > them ... I have some friends here whose parents came from Poland and who are in both spoken and written Polish. I needed to get in touch with them anyway about borrowing a personal GPS; I'll ask them to translate. >From looking at the poor translation offered by the website that Jon noted, and poking around the website itself, it looks to me not like they're *selling* FG, but like they're *auctioning* it off. This looks very much like the website of an eBay-clone. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpQnQ469QbYr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
Gunnstein Lye wrote: The GPL does not prohibit selling, and does not say anything about how much they can charge, as long as any changes they have made are made available for free (or the cost of the medium and postage). I could sell flightgear CDs for $1.000.000 if I wanted to. Doubt I would sell much, though. =) But then you'd only have to sell one every couple of years to live quite comfortably. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
Gunnstein Lye wrote: The GPL does not prohibit selling, and does not say anything about how much they can charge, as long as any changes they have made are made available for free (or the cost of the medium and postage). The GPL also contains requirements to make the source code available to customers, and to release the source to any modifications you've made to a distributed version. The GPL (unlike the LGPL) considers linking to be a modification, so if you link a GPL library into your program and then distribute the program, the whole thing becomes open source. Personally, I appreciate the historical importance of the GPL, but I'm not much of a fan now that we have better licenses available. The only real benefit of the GPL these days is for companies who want to make money by dual licensing (since the GPL is too restrictive for many users). All the best, David ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:54:56 +0200 Gunnstein Lye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The GPL does not prohibit selling, and does not say anything about how much they can charge, as long as any changes they have made are made available for free (or the cost of the medium and postage). True, that's why I said it should probably be looked into. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
On Friday 11 June 2004 16:39, Jon S Berndt wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:22:30 +0200 > > Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Curtis L. Olson wrote: > >>Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these > >>guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? > >> > >>http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 > > > >As far as I can decipher it (based on a number of words I do somehow > >recognize) it's just another magazine article that is quite positive > >about FlightGear. It seems to mention it is Freeware and talks a bit > >about the amount of scenery available. > > > >I wouldn't worry too much. > > I found a Polish translator online. I think it's worth looking into. > It appears to be a FlightGear CD for sale. The GPL does not prohibit selling, and does not say anything about how much they can charge, as long as any changes they have made are made available for free (or the cost of the medium and postage). I could sell flightgear CDs for $1.000.000 if I wanted to. Doubt I would sell much, though. =) -- best regards, Gunnstein Lye Systems engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | eZ systems | ez.no ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:14:43 -0500 "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 They are our top web site referrer this month which is how I noticed them ... Play with this: http://www.worldlanguage.com/Translation.htm Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:22:30 +0200 Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 As far as I can decipher it (based on a number of words I do somehow recognize) it's just another magazine article that is quite positive about FlightGear. It seems to mention it is Freeware and talks a bit about the amount of scenery available. I wouldn't worry too much. I found a Polish translator online. I think it's worth looking into. It appears to be a FlightGear CD for sale. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
Erik Hofman wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 As far as I can decipher it (based on a number of words I do somehow recognize) it's just another magazine article that is quite positive about FlightGear. It seems to mention it is Freeware and talks a bit about the amount of scenery available. Hmm, deciphering it a bit further they seem to sell a boxed version of FlightGear (CD-ROM, Scenery DVD, getting started instructions and a manual in PDF format). It's hard to tell (for me) whether they honor the GPL. The price (30 zloty) doesn't sound too expensive though. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 As far as I can decipher it (based on a number of words I do somehow recognize) it's just another magazine article that is quite positive about FlightGear. It seems to mention it is Freeware and talks a bit about the amount of scenery available. I wouldn't worry too much. Erik (But I can't honestly read polish myself). ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Anyone read polish?
Does anyone read enough polish to double check that everything these guys are doing is within the spirit of the GPL? http://www.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=26723501 They are our top web site referrer this month which is how I noticed them ... Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
