Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
Hi Andy, Thanks for the response. On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 09:39, Andy Ross wrote: > Victoria Welch wrote: > > No jstest or jscal here and I have yet to track them down for > > something other than SuSE or Debian (or a tarball that has be be > > compiled into the kernel...) > > These are userspace test programs, not the kernel driver. They really > should have been installed with your distribution. On my Red Hat > 7.[23] boxes, they are in the "joystick" package. I was able to find an earlier version (1.2.15?) that, at least jscal, will not run with the driver on the system (2.1). Yes, it should have been installed with the distro, but it wasn't. Maybe the folks at Mandrake though that made it less attractive to the business market or just an oversight, god knows. > Definitely get these and try them first -- this is the best way to > tell whether the problem lies in the hardware, driver, or > plib/FlightGear. Well, I've been wandering through this mish-mash for a week now with many disappointing dead ends. I have the stuff I need to work with all up and running on this box and tossing it all in the crapper and going to debian or suse and starting all over just to run FG just isn't practical as much as I desperately want to get rid of m$fs. Maybe at some point Mandrake will correct this problem, I've been looking for updates a couple of times a day and at this point I don't think they will be forthcoming, perhaps when they put out a new release, I can only hope. For now I have wasted all the time that I dare to and need to start getting some real work done :-/. Thanks & take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K/7, SysAdmin, Embedded Systems Designer. "Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. "Micro$oft Windows. I'll bet you can't install it just once!" ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
Jim Wilson wrote: > Was in sound card hell myself a few nights ago, so I can relate. > Finally decided my time was worth something and went out to buy an > sblive You weren't by any chance trying to make the built-in sound on a KT333 motherboard work, were you? I got bit by exactly this problem. The answer turns out to be that the VIA 8233A south bridge dropped a feature from the 8233 used by the kernel driver (but, because it looks like a newer/compatible version, Red Hat detects and installs the original driver anyway). The newest ALSA pre-release drivers have support. I just installed them in OSS-compatibility mode, and things worked great. The sound quality is surprisingly high for an on-motherboard card. Also, if you do have one of these motherboards, definitely install a 2.4.19-rc1 kernel. The stock 2.4.18 code doesn't recognize the IDE DMA hardware (not VIA's fault this time -- the Linux IDE driver is just conservative about what hardware it *knows* is bug-free) and falls back to PIO mode for disk access. My machine would lock up for significant fractions of a second while doing big disk transfers. Andy -- Andrew J. RossNextBus Information Systems Senior Software Engineer Emeryville, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nextbus.com "Men go crazy in conflagrations. They only get better one by one." - Sting (misquoted) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
Victoria Welch wrote: > No jstest or jscal here and I have yet to track them down for > something other than SuSE or Debian (or a tarball that has be be > compiled into the kernel...) These are userspace test programs, not the kernel driver. They really should have been installed with your distribution. On my Red Hat 7.[23] boxes, they are in the "joystick" package. Definitely get these and try them first -- this is the best way to tell whether the problem lies in the hardware, driver, or plib/FlightGear. Andy -- Andrew J. RossNextBus Information Systems Senior Software Engineer Emeryville, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nextbus.com "Men go crazy in conflagrations. They only get better one by one." - Sting (misquoted) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 13:44, John Check wrote: > On Saturday 13 July 2002 8:26 am, Jim Wilson wrote: > > Victoria Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Assuming that I have the same results I have had in the past, I'll track > > > down that Docs/README.Joystick.html wherever plib hides it docs. > > > Interesting that looks like one with the same name in the fg docs :-). > > > > That's in the base package...right where it says (Docs/ folder). > [ ... ] > > Also accessible from FG's help system! 8-O > Imagine that. If you happen to be running netscape... I assume that is probably changeable someplace, but under linux I have plenty of desktops to keep stuff open on, so that is kind of the least of my worries ATM. Thanks & take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K/7, SysAdmin, Embedded Systems Designer. "Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. "Micro$oft Windows. I'll bet you can't install it just once!" ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
On Saturday 13 July 2002 8:26 am, Jim Wilson wrote: > Victoria Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Assuming that I have the same results I have had in the past, I'll track > > down that Docs/README.Joystick.html wherever plib hides it docs. > > Interesting that looks like one with the same name in the fg docs :-). > > That's in the base package...right where it says (Docs/ folder). > > Best, > > Jim > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel Also accessible from FG's help system! 8-O Imagine that. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
Victoria Welch writes: > Presuming that the cvs version of plib did something, I'll try hacking > around with the values in .fgfsrc and see what happens. It looks enough > like it did that I have no confidence of success here, but one never > knows. When you run js_demo in the plib distro, what values do you see for the axes? Are the first two 0, 0 when the stick is centred? Is the first axis -1 with the stick all the way to the left? And so on. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
Hi Jim, Thanks for the response! > Look at that doc file. If you aren't into learning the xml configuration and > just want to see if something will work, just get the plib cvs (plib.sf.net) > and more than likely you'd have ailerons and elevators with the default config > (Umm...waiting for a real saitek owner to chime in here:)) Well, we thought we'd give it one more try and thus ran off and got the plib cvs... Reran fgjs and replaced the .fgfsrc file with that (although it looks exactly the same as what was there before I started hacking on it). Results: no change :-(. Using the surfaces gauge on the 172 panel, aileron comes up centered, moves halfway to left and if you look close, maybe one division to the right. Elevator - exactly the same except substitute down for left and up for right. Rudder: 3 or 4 divisions to left, moves full left and two divisions right of center (most active control). Throttle: comes up at about 1350 RPM full back and 2100 RPM full forward. Presuming that the cvs version of plib did something, I'll try hacking around with the values in .fgfsrc and see what happens. It looks enough like it did that I have no confidence of success here, but one never knows. Assuming that I have the same results I have had in the past, I'll track down that Docs/README.Joystick.html wherever plib hides it docs. Interesting that looks like one with the same name in the fg docs :-). > Was in sound card hell myself a few nights ago, so I can relate. Finally > decided my time was worth something and went out to buy an sblive (no I'm not > implying that you need a different stick;)). Trying to use a card from a > vendor that won't release either specs or a linux driver was a very bad idea > and the motherboard chip was a little too plain vanilla to work well. Wasn't > I happy when that sblive kudzu-ed perfectly. Understand. BTDT and I was never able to get a soundcard to work before the RH 6.1 release and I had old ISA soundblasters of various types and other brand names. Delightful when it came up the first time and worked :-). Interesting to note that my SB Live!Value sounds so much better under linux that it is surprising. Under windoz it had no volume (driving a headset) but under linux I actually have to turn it down :-). Since I have a couple things to scan I think I am going to grab a little stick time with the VUSN folks and run a SH-60 through the weeds for a while and maybe head out to the CVBG and do a little vertrep and relax some :-). Or maybe get a little crazy with an MD500 ;-) Thanks & take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K/7, SysAdmin, Embedded Systems Designer. "Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. "Micro$oft Windows. I'll bet you can't install it just once!" ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone using a Saitek Cyborg Gold USB Sticksuccessfully with FG ?
Hello Jim, Thanks for the response! On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 11:32, Jim Wilson wrote: > Victoria Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Hi All, > > > > Just wondering if anyone else uses this stick successfully? > > > > It works perfectly here under windoz but after *hours* of changing the > > .fgfsrc and starting and stopping fg for each change, I am getting a > > little discouraged. > > > > I'm not, but I am using a USB stick (MSSW). Does it show in usbview? If it > doesn't then it is your usb hid module config: > > Modules required: > usbcore > usb-uhci > input > hid > joydev All loaded, I have to load joydev manually, but all are loaded and catting js0 results in changing garbage on the screen. > > If it then works in jstest, then all you need to do is make a config file that > maps the axes and buttons to functions. Look in the base backage for other > examples (Input/Joysticks/) No jstest or jscal here and I have yet to track them down for something other than SuSE or Debian (or a tarball that has be be compiled into the kernel...) > > Caveat: In my case I'm running a plib release (not cvs) and therefore the > actual config has to be placed in fgfsbase/joysticks.xml. To use the new > setup (the default in base package cvs) you will need a current cvs of plib. Gurgle :-)... > If you do an "old style" config (using a plib release like I currently use) in > the "joysticks.xml" you need to make sure the settings are wrapped in these tags: > > >(axis and button configs here) > > > > Look in the Docs/README.Joystick.html file for more info on configuring > joystick bindings. Running fg and simgrear from cvs... I have no idea what the above relates to so I'll go read up on the doc mentioned. That name looks familiar but I think it was in fg and not plib. > > The other and perhaps better alternative is to run plib from CVS if you aren't > already and just create a Saitek configuration file in the Inputs/Joysticks > directory tree. > > Once you get something that works well you might want to submit the resulting > config so that we can add it to the package. From what I understand Saitek > makes very good devices for flight simmers. Well, at least under windoz the saitek stick has been a joy :-). If I ever figure out what all this means and get it to work I'll sure submit it for inclusion :-). I didn't think it was possible to be more confused, but I was wrong :-). Been at this hard an long bringing up the new systems and getting a lot of different things to work and I am starting to feel a little burned out. I'm going to get away from it for a few days and see how I feel about it all. I do very much appreciate all the help everyone has been! Thanks & take care, Vikki. -- Victoria Welch, WV9K/7, SysAdmin, Embedded Systems Designer. "Walking on water and developing software to specification are easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard. Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you. "Micro$oft Windows. I'll bet you can't install it just once!" ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
