Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-22 Thread Andy Ross

Alex Romosan wrote:
> is anybody able to fly the yasim planes with latest cvs and the above
> patch? i keep getting:
>
> YASim SOLUTION FAILURE:
> Solution failed to converge after 1 iterations
>
> for the a4, harrier, 747.

I appear to have goofed something up with the posted planes.  Or
perhaps missed a checkin.  I promise to check tonight.  Things have
been a little busy lately. :)

Andy

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[Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-22 Thread Alex Romosan

Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The patch requires new aircraft descriptions.  These are available at:
> 
>http://plausible.org/yasim-aircraft-20020521.tar.gz
> 

is anybody able to fly the yasim planes with latest cvs and the above
patch? i keep getting:

YASim SOLUTION FAILURE:
Solution failed to converge after 1 iterations

for the a4, harrier, 747.

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[Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ

* Andy Ross -- Tuesday 21 May 2002 18:43:
> [...] a bad configuration file in the archive that, ahem, no one reported.  :)

Oh ... I'm =so= sorry.   :->



> No idea what the issue is with the 310 -- I'm pretty sure I test-flew
> all of the aircraft before the checkin.  Maybe I missed a data file in
> the tarball?

3 data files. I just tried the a4 and the harrier, and both don't work
either ("YASim SOLUTION FAILURE"). Only the c172 and the 747 work here.
(Of course, I have applied your *.tar.gz files before.)

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-21 Thread Andy Ross

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
> When I reported the 747 problem, it had nothing to do with approaching.
> The 747 didn't work at all! Not even the scenery was shown, before fgfs
> aborted. Just the HUD and the sky.

Right.  That was a simpler problem -- a bad configuration file in the
archive that, ahem, no one reported.  :)

This bug was one that John Wojnaroski and others reported a while
back.  The YASim configuration file says that the 747 should trim for
approach at 7 degrees AoA and 130 knots with 20% fuel.  In flight, the
model didn't do that -- you'd be trimmed at 160+ kias even at maximum
elevator authority.

> The yasim C310 is broken now, like the 747 was before: It endlessly
> (1 times?) outputs these:
>
>   p0 1.689844 p1 1.684052 e -0.226954 d 0.029176
>   l 85.502754 d 0.013781 aoa 0.029065 inc 0.065312 ele -0.226954

Gack, sorry.  That's debug code left in the checkin.  Mom always told
me never to check stuff in at bedtime.  I'll get that fixed pronto.

No idea what the issue is with the 310 -- I'm pretty sure I test-flew
all of the aircraft before the checkin.  Maybe I missed a data file in
the tarball?  I'll take a look this evening.

Andy

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[Flightgear-devel] Re: New YASim files for base package

2002-05-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ

* Andy Ross -- Tuesday 21 May 2002 07:48:
> I just commited a YASim patch to fix the approach lift problem I
> mentioned this morning.  The 747, in particular, behaves much more
> sanely on approach.

When I reported the 747 problem, it had nothing to do with approaching.
The 747 didn't work at all! Not even the scenery was shown, before fgfs
aborted. Just the HUD and the sky.

Now with your recent changes it works again. I could lift off, everything
felt OK. But landing was a big challenge, because the flaps seemed to produce
too much lift near the ground, I could hardly get down with full flaps
and no throttle. It resembled flying with --fdm=balloon.

After setting boeing747.ac as model I encountered something strange.
Not only that the 747 doesn't sit on the ground but hover some meters
above the ground. When you are in the cockpit you see a big part of
the 747 in front and beneath you. The pilot doesn't really sit in the
machine.

The yasim C310 is broken now, like the 747 was before: It endlessly
(1 times?) outputs these:

  p0 1.689844 p1 1.684052 e -0.226954 d 0.029176
  l 85.502754 d 0.013781 aoa 0.029065 inc 0.065312 ele -0.226954


BTW: the 'new' HUD looks quite cool ... and confusing.  :-]

m.



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