[Flightgear-devel] more problems with --aircraft and joystick on macos

2002-06-16 Thread ima sudonim

./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=dc3-yasim
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=wrightFlyer1903-v1-nl-uiuc
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=a4-yasim
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=747-uiuc
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=x24b
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=c182
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=c310
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination  --aircraft=ufo
./fly.sh --airport-id=KDCA --enable-anti-alias-hud 
--enable-auto-coordination

fly is a script that  runs bin/fgfs with the appropriate --fg-root

x15,x24b seem to work, couldn't fly via keyboard, change views, activate 
hud, did nothing but climb
c182 works well
c310, shuttle seem to work, couldn't fly via keyboard
ufo is cool, managed to get it off of the ground
c172 seems to work, couldn't fly via keyboard

747-yasim, dc3-yasim, wrightFlyer1903-v1-nl-uiuc, 747-uiuc, beech99-uiuc 
HANG (wait mouse pointer that never goes anywhere, menus don't work, 
 doesn't quit app)

I found an app called BroadbandOptimizer for Macos X that I installed.  
It enabled me to get some of the above planes working by tweeking my 
OS's performance.  Until I used this, nothing worked!

The joystick issue seems a macos xthing.  I've tried two joysticks (one 
of which works 8-) on macos 9), and neither do anything on macos X.  
Macos X's HIDManager seems totally screwed up.

1) Does anyone out there know how to get a usb joystick working on macos 
X?  Any other HIDManagers for macos x out there?  Any flight joysticks 
(with twisting rudder on stick or separate rudder/throttle control) that 
work on macos x?  That have their own drivers?

2) Any hints on how to fly without a joystick? Neither mouse nor 
keyboard seems to be working for me 8-)

Even with --enable-auto-coordination.  I've checked the faq, but as soon 
as the plane gets airborn it wobbles from one said to the other.

BTW, cool anti-crash feature, but how can I disable it? 8-D


TIA
Ima


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[Flightgear-devel] more problems with --aircraft and joystick on macos

2002-06-16 Thread ima sudonim

> ima sudonim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > 1) Does anyone out there know how to get a usb joystick working on 
> macos
> > X?  Any other HIDManagers for macos x out there?  Any flight joysticks
> > (with twisting rudder on stick or separate rudder/throttle control) 
> that
> > work on macos x?  That have their own drivers?
>
> I don't know the answer.  If you don't get any response here you might 
> try
> contacting the guy at usboverdrive.com as I'm sure he can tell you.
>
OK, I'll give that a try, thanks...

> > 2) Any hints on how to fly without a joystick? Neither mouse nor
> > keyboard seems to be working for me 8-)
>
> The joystick is easiest.  I'd give the mouse second.  If you right 
> click until
> the cross hair cursor shows up (which indicates the mouse is now 
> controlling
> the flight) then moving the mouse forward/back will control the 
> elevator and
> left/right the ailerons.  You'll need to right click again to get back 
> to the
> mouse arrow back for menu mode.
>
OK, the right button click (ctrl click on mac os) seems MUCH easier 
to work with.  I actually got up to 900 ft (somehow) before  loosing 
control and crashing.

> > Even with --enable-auto-coordination.  I've checked the faq, but as 
> soon
> > as the plane gets airborn it wobbles from one said to the other.
>
> Which aircraft are you seeing this with?  The only time I've seen real 
> wobbles
> in that mode is when attempting to apply a lot of rudder while it is 
> enabled.
>  Use the property picker (View Menu, Properties option) and look under
> controls to see if something is holding the rudder on you (the rudder 
> value
> should be 0 at startup).

Rudder on taxi is 0.28500, rudder-trim 0v.  Once we're airborne these 
values aren't changing.

Maybe once I can figure out the rudder controls via mouse and keyboard 
this will get easier...

The c310, among others.  I'll start the engines, turn both throttles up 
to full and accelerate (to redline, actually).  Once it starts to hop, I 
hit down arrow to bring the elevator up, and the c310 starts wobbling as 
soon as it leaves the ground.  Maybe I just need to give some sort of 
right rudder to compensate for the propellers (or figure out a jet that 
works on my system 8-))  Any easy to fly jets that you could recommend 
(the 747s arent working on my system).

Incidentally, is there a common denominator to the planes that I can get 
working or to those that I can't?

Basically,
c172, ufo, c310, c182 work -- are these all JSB

x15,x24b seem to work, couldn't fly via keyboard, change views, activate 
hud, planes did nothing but climb -- don't remember what model these use

747-yasim, dc3-yasim, wrightFlyer1903-v1-nl-uiuc, 747-uiuc, beech99-uiuc 
HANG with wait cursor, no keyboard response -- is this a uiuc/yasim 
problem on my system?

>
> > BTW, cool anti-crash feature, but how can I disable it? 8-D
>
> Stay in the air? ;-)
>
Highly unlikely, given my performance thus far 8-(   Cool game, 
lousy pilot!  Wasn't it George Carlin who said that he wasn't afraid to 
fly, just afraid of the unscheduled stops (i.e, crashes).

Thank you! Ima

> Best,
>
> Jim
>
>
>


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] more problems with --aircraft and joystick on macos

2002-06-16 Thread Jim Wilson

ima sudonim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> 1) Does anyone out there know how to get a usb joystick working on macos 
> X?  Any other HIDManagers for macos x out there?  Any flight joysticks 
> (with twisting rudder on stick or separate rudder/throttle control) that 
> work on macos x?  That have their own drivers?

I don't know the answer.  If you don't get any response here you might try
contacting the guy at usboverdrive.com as I'm sure he can tell you.

> 2) Any hints on how to fly without a joystick? Neither mouse nor 
> keyboard seems to be working for me 8-)

The joystick is easiest.  I'd give the mouse second.  If you right click until
the cross hair cursor shows up (which indicates the mouse is now controlling
the flight) then moving the mouse forward/back will control the elevator and
left/right the ailerons.  You'll need to right click again to get back to the
mouse arrow back for menu mode.

> Even with --enable-auto-coordination.  I've checked the faq, but as soon 
> as the plane gets airborn it wobbles from one said to the other.

Which aircraft are you seeing this with?  The only time I've seen real wobbles
in that mode is when attempting to apply a lot of rudder while it is enabled.
 Use the property picker (View Menu, Properties option) and look under
controls to see if something is holding the rudder on you (the rudder value
should be 0 at startup).
 
> BTW, cool anti-crash feature, but how can I disable it? 8-D

Stay in the air? ;-)

Best,

Jim

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] more problems with --aircraft and joystick on macos

2002-06-16 Thread Jim Wilson

ima sudonim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> 1) Does anyone out there know how to get a usb joystick working on macos 
> X?  Any other HIDManagers for macos x out there?  Any flight joysticks 
> (with twisting rudder on stick or separate rudder/throttle control) that 
> work on macos x?  That have their own drivers?

I don't know the answer.  If you don't get any response here you might try
contacting the guy at usboverdrive.com as I'm sure he can tell you.

> 2) Any hints on how to fly without a joystick? Neither mouse nor 
> keyboard seems to be working for me 8-)

The joystick is easiest.  I'd give the mouse second.  If you right click until
the cross hair cursor shows up (which indicates the mouse is now controlling
the flight) then moving the mouse forward/back will control the elevator and
left/right the ailerons.  You'll need to right click again to get back to the
mouse arrow back for menu mode.

> Even with --enable-auto-coordination.  I've checked the faq, but as soon 
> as the plane gets airborn it wobbles from one said to the other.

Which aircraft are you seeing this with?  The only time I've seen real wobbles
in that mode is when attempting to apply a lot of rudder while it is enabled.
 Use the property picker (View Menu, Properties option) and look under
controls to see if something is holding the rudder on you (the rudder value
should be 0 at startup).
 
> BTW, cool anti-crash feature, but how can I disable it? 8-D

Stay in the air? ;-)

Best,

Jim

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] more problems with --aircraft and joystick on macos

2002-06-16 Thread Jim Wilson

ima sudonim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> 1) Does anyone out there know how to get a usb joystick working on macos 
> X?  Any other HIDManagers for macos x out there?  Any flight joysticks 
> (with twisting rudder on stick or separate rudder/throttle control) that 
> work on macos x?  That have their own drivers?

I don't know the answer.  If you don't get any response here you might try
contacting the guy at usboverdrive.com as I'm sure he can tell you.

> 2) Any hints on how to fly without a joystick? Neither mouse nor 
> keyboard seems to be working for me 8-)

The joystick is easiest.  I'd give the mouse second.  If you right click until
the cross hair cursor shows up (which indicates the mouse is now controlling
the flight) then moving the mouse forward/back will control the elevator and
left/right the ailerons.  You'll need to right click again to get back to the
mouse arrow back for menu mode.

> Even with --enable-auto-coordination.  I've checked the faq, but as soon 
> as the plane gets airborn it wobbles from one said to the other.

Which aircraft are you seeing this with?  The only time I've seen real wobbles
in that mode is when attempting to apply a lot of rudder while it is enabled.
 Use the property picker (View Menu, Properties option) and look under
controls to see if something is holding the rudder on you (the rudder value
should be 0 at startup).
 
> BTW, cool anti-crash feature, but how can I disable it? 8-D

Stay in the air? ;-)

Best,

Jim

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